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    uk scooter riders

    how many riders of scooters here are from the uk ?

    my question is whats the highest cc scooter you can ride only on a cbt license?
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    uk cbt license is all to do with bhp so what kinda bhp does a 200cc scooter have
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    It depends on what 200cc scooter your talking about every models different on a UK CBT license you can only ride a bike up to 11kw which is 14.6 bhp.

    I may be wrong but I dont think you can get a 200cc scooter with less then 14.6bhp, i think the most you can have is a 125cc

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    CBT isn't a license. It's a certificate of training that has to be accompanied by a provisional license. The provisional license, assuming that you're over 17 years of age, restricts you to a maximum of 125cc and 14.6 bhp. Both conditions have to be satisfied.

    When you've passed the full test ( CBT plus theory test plus road test) you can ride a scoot of any capacity, but for two years it has to be below 33 bhp. This covers 400cc scoots like the Suzuki Burgmann, but a lot of 400cc bikes are over the 33 bhp limit

    The one exception to this is if you're over 21. You can then ride a bigger bike - over 46 bhp - as long as you're accompanied at all times by an instructor.

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    can you take your A1 license on a scooter (ie without gears)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the lost 1
    can you take your A1 license on a scooter (ie without gears)?
    Note that Category A and category A1 are different.

    The test has to be taken on a 125 for a category A license to allow you to ride a 33 bhp bike, and I think it must have gears unless you want the license restricted to automatics.

    For the A1 license, you must use a bike of between 75 and 125 cc and the A1 license only allows you to ride a 125 of up to 14.6 bhp. The same caveat applies re gears.

    It's easiest to take the test on a riding school's geared 125, then you have a full Cat A license for any bike up to 33 bhp, and unlimited after 2 years. The A1 license seems a bit pointless.

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    Last edited by williamr; 06-02-2006 at 02:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by williamr
    It's easiest to take the test on a riding school's geared 125, then you have a full Cat A license for any bike up to 33 bhp, and unlimited after 2 years. The A1 license seems a bit pointless.

    Rob
    i was wondering because of the members on here that use scooters on a daily basis & thought itd be pointless for them to take the test on a geared bike (which id say is harder) when they arent going to use 1.
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    I can only speak for myself, but I find a geared bike much easier to control. It certainly has more controllability if you are capable of using it. Slow speed control can be a bit problematical with a centrifugal (automatic) clutch on some bikes. Generally a skilled rider will find it easier to perform manouevers such as a U turn with a manual clutch, but it does take a little more timr to acquire the skill.

    Do I get the impression that you don't actually ride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by williamr
    Do I get the impression that you don't actually ride?

    Rob
    rode my rs125 for 3yrs till it was stolen november last year
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    If you havent done your license you have to redo your CBT every 2 years which im guessing you've already done because of riding for 3 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trix-8
    If you havent done your license you have to redo your CBT every 2 years which im guessing you've already done because of riding for 3 years.
    unless i passed my DAC last year?
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    Williamr is right, you can take a test on your scoot, but you will be restricted in power for 2 years and to automatics.

    THat's the route I took. I did my CBT, then test on my own 125 Leonardo. After a while I upgraded to a 250 but a few years on, I wanted a 'proper' bike and had to redo everything, including my CBT and full manual DAS course.

    If I were you, I'd do the training and test on a manual. You WILL want to upgrade one day and it's a pain to have to do it all again.

    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by the lost 1
    unless i passed my DAC last year?
    fair enough why all these questions then? if you've got a full license

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trix-8
    fair enough why all these questions then? if you've got a full license
    a guy at work passed his driving test using a automatic car so i was wondering what he would be able to ride just using a CBT license

    ive posted other sort of questions relating to this in scooter forums on here
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    Quote Originally Posted by the lost 1
    a guy at work passed his driving test using a automatic car so i was wondering what he would be able to ride just using a CBT license

    ive posted other sort of questions relating to this in scooter forums on here
    The lost 1 i emailed the dsa this should be all you need to know i think,this is what they replied;

    If you gained a full car licence (manual or automatic) before the 1 February 2001 and made a normal health declaration when obtaining your last full licence you should have been awarded full moped entitlement category ‘p’ (please check your licence).


    A moped is a machine up to 50cc with a top manufacturer’s design speed not exceeding 50kph (approx 31mph).


    If you gained a full car licence on or after 1 February 2001 you will need to complete a CBT course to ride any moped or motorcycle.


    After completing a CBT course you will be allowed to ride machines up to 125cc with a maximum power output not exceeding 11kW (equivalent 14.6bhp) with ‘L’ plates. Learners cannot carry a pillion passenger.


    Provisional motorcycle entitlement category ‘A’ is not affected by having a full automatic car licence category ‘B’.




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