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    Quote Originally Posted by WAZZU_Mille View Post
    Agree on that....it’s sad that the 300 million could give 2 shits for this sport or else they’d have a bigger interest in it.
    Hard to get the populous interested in something that they are shit at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nonno View Post
    Hard to get the populous interested in something that they are shit at.
    You got to wonder whats happening with American talent in motor racing, Don't feature in F1, nothing to write home about in Moto GP, Same with SB's, even Speed way (other than Lance King) , once many of these sports the US had dominant riders. Even IndyCar racing has been dominated by a Kiwi driver. I guess it goes in cycles, but jeez theses a deficite of US talent out there for the size of the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveNZ View Post
    You got to wonder whats happening with American talent in motor racing, Don't feature in F1, nothing to write home about in Moto GP, Same with SB's, even Speed way (other than Lance King) , once many of these sports the US had dominant riders. Even IndyCar racing has been dominated by a Kiwi driver. I guess it goes in cycles, but jeez theses a deficite of US talent out there for the size of the country.
    you forget josh hayes,JD beach, josh erin,baubier, hayden,garret gerloff etcetcetc ....those guys are world superbike worthy,but they make more money staying in the usa,so why breaking their a** to live on the roads for the same money,and probably less.....even tony elias decided to go moto america...there's money in it for the top riders .

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    Quote Originally Posted by rollracer View Post
    you forget josh hayes,JD beach, josh erin,baubier, hayden,garret gerloff etcetcetc ....those guys are world superbike worthy,but they make more money staying in the usa,so why breaking their a** to live on the roads for the same money,and probably less.....even tony elias decided to go moto america...there's money in it for the top riders .
    Obviously local talent in the local race scene which i don't see any broadcasts of, but on the world stage, the US has had some amazing Moto GP riders, but nothing to write home about since Nicky and Ben Spies.
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    truth is americans were the dominant force for couple decades in 500GP...and the only reason there,s no american riders since nicky and ben spies,is because DMG destroyed the AMA superbike championship which was the '''farm'' raising yougsters to world level vaccum'ing potential world level sponsors in the process.

    italy and spain is now making up for over 60% of the moto GP field right now,while moto america rassemble world level riders with less money than when it was the ama. when matt mladdin was ruling the ama,he was asked all the time to go world level,but since he was making millions like some others like him in the ama, the equation was simple to him.

    add to this that when DMG bought the ama,they started to focus on the 600 class mainly,leaving the superbike class going down in flames thinking that, since the supersport class was less costy,they could appeals more young riders ,then instilling the same level of interest from the audience,which revealed itself as a bad idea.

    the ama was the perfect series to raise top level riders, there was a LOT of money in it,sponsors were in file to inject cash into rider's developpment, this isn't the case anymore.

    there's still a lot of money in moto america,but not at the level it was with the ama superbike championship. most riders there makes more money than all the riders in world superbike,except rea and bautista . those riders could easily knock down a lot of mid pack riders in WSBK and moto GP,and there's couple among them who worth top 5 in moto GP no doubts.the problem is that,there's no usa sponsorship to bring any of them on the world scene right now.it's that simple.it is in no way because american riders are not good enough.that is BS.

    and lets admit it,europeeans aren't interested by going back in the time when americans were by far superior to euro riders,especially in moto GP.
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    Last sentence not necessarily true depending on who you ask. USA is a huge market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rollracer View Post
    but they make more money staying in the usa,so why breaking their a** to live on the roads for the same money,and probably less.....
    And that right there is the reason they'll never make it to the top.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by yzr750 View Post
    And that right there is the reason they'll never make it to the top.......
    Exactly, does anyone actually believe someone becomes a world champion in anything, let alone motorcycle racing, because it was about the dollar!! Laughable! The reality is there is not the talent there in the US, if there was, somebody in motogp or WSBK would have them on their bike!
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    The development in the US sucks. That's the answer. Same reason every other rider in GP is Spanish - their development system is top notch.


    Moto racing, and most racing in general except Nascrap, just aren't high on the average US citizen's sports interest.
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    that living out of the back of a van going to tracks year after year, working on your own bike, etc......thing does not translate to the young folks either. there is a small percentage that are ok with it here, but i think too many of them want glory right off the bat. these are very different times from the 70's / 80's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CRMNL View Post
    that living out of the back of a van going to tracks year after year, working on your own bike, etc......thing does not translate to the young folks either. there is a small percentage that are ok with it here, but i think too many of them want glory right off the bat. these are very different times from the 70's / 80's.
    I think plenty would do it still. The problem is our talent pool is just so small due to the lack of interest in road racing. Maybe because there are so many other sports to play and potentially get famous. Baseball, basketball, hockey, football, soccer, and even MX/supercross. Do any other countries have that selection for youth, not just to play, but to have local pros to aspire to? If the US had the development program of Spain then we'd have the talent in the series - same goes for any country really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple J View Post
    I think plenty would do it still. The problem is our talent pool is just so small due to the lack of interest in road racing. Maybe because there are so many other sports to play and potentially get famous. Baseball, basketball, hockey, football, soccer, and even MX/supercross. Do any other countries have that selection for youth, not just to play, but to have local pros to aspire to? If the US had the development program of Spain then we'd have the talent in the series - same goes for any country really.
    true. there isn't a "program" for them to aspire to or get support from, but i still think it's partially a cultural thing. tach bouncing doofuses are not future racers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rollracer View Post
    you forget josh hayes,JD beach, josh erin,baubier, hayden,garret gerloff etcetcetc ....those guys are world superbike worthy,but they make more money staying in the usa,so why breaking their a** to live on the roads for the same money,and probably less.....even tony elias decided to go moto america...there's money in it for the top riders .
    Yeah but in Moto America pretty much the only riders making money racing in that series are on either the Yoshimura Suzuki or Y.E.S. Yamaha teams. Pretty much everyone else probably gets just enough to subsist on and more than a few are probably sleeping in the same van they haul their bike around in. Notice I didn't use the plural for bikes. DMG all but ran all the manufacturers out of AMA before running it into the dirt. Suzuki and Yamaha are the only to maintain any real presence and Suzuki's hasn't gone past the Superbike class (no Supersport or Stock) for years and years and Yamaha pulled their support for Supersport this season. We've got Kyle Wyman flying the Ducati flag as an independent, might get some contingency from Ducati USA (IF they even offer any). Gagne is back from his brief WSBK stint on an independent BMW. There might be a Kawi or Honda in there somewhere.

    If we could get manufacturers to provide some more support to teams I'm sure we could have competitive riders on Kawi's, Beemers and Ducs. I am hopeful that with Honda seeming to be throwing more support to WSBK with a "factory" team this year and signing Bautista for next (with promises of a competitive package) that this, if it goes well, could see Honda expand and throw some support to Moto America by 2022. With Kawi's dominance of WSBK you'd think they might have tried to replicate that with a factory team in Moto America by now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple J View Post
    I think plenty would do it still. The problem is our talent pool is just so small due to the lack of interest in road racing. Maybe because there are so many other sports to play and potentially get famous. Baseball, basketball, hockey, football, soccer, and even MX/supercross. Do any other countries have that selection for youth, not just to play, but to have local pros to aspire to? If the US had the development program of Spain then we'd have the talent in the series - same goes for any country really.
    Your joking right ? In the uk we have football(soccer), rugby , cricket, f1, superbikes, cycling we are/have been World champs in all of them . And all the other sports like golf, athletics, tennis. yada yada . Same goes for the Aussies.

    Interestingly enough and quite relevant I saw post on Jimmy Buttons instagram. Posted up his son had won a golf tournament. Some asked when his son was gonna get on a mx bike and Jim's answer was "it's not gonna happen". Cant blame him , jim was almost totalled by a crash back in the day and his kid could make a lot more $$$ playing golf

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    Television money is needed to promote motorcycle racing in the US. My cable provider doesn’t even carry Beinsports any more, so I can’t watch MotoGP or WSBK on television like I used to. But, they broadcast plenty of cupcake baking competitions.
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