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    theres no m logo on the aprilia super store starters ,how ever they have needle rollers and oil seal and look the same as M starters were as chinese have different bearings

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    Quote Originally Posted by rolph View Post
    theres no m logo on the aprilia super store starters ,how ever they have needle rollers and oil seal and look the same as M starters were as chinese have different bearings
    All the ones I have here have needle roller bearings...

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    Shipping info says it comes today. Will be taking out the old one this weekend. Maybe I will geek out and make a video to share what I find.

    May or may not rip apart the new one as I'd like it to actually work!

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    I made a video about starters. Maybe somebody is interested

    https://youtu.be/2SZm9fQX1PQ
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    Has anyone tried these starters?
    http://motorgenic.com/electric-start...hoC3hEQAvD_BwE

    The one on my SXV450 finally starting going bad today. Not sure how old it is or if it was ever replaced. I've had the bike for 18 months now and never had a starting issue, and after the valve adjustments last winter it starts within 3 seconds when cold, and at the tap of the button when warmed up. So it took me as a bit of a surprise this morning. Occasionally I can find a good spot and it fires right up, but most of the time I just get the click.

    Just wanted to know if these Motorgenic starters are any good.

    Thanks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tgodon13 View Post
    Has anyone tried these starters?
    http://motorgenic.com/electric-start...hoC3hEQAvD_BwE

    The one on my SXV450 finally starting going bad today. Not sure how old it is or if it was ever replaced. I've had the bike for 18 months now and never had a starting issue, and after the valve adjustments last winter it starts within 3 seconds when cold, and at the tap of the button when warmed up. So it took me as a bit of a surprise this morning. Occasionally I can find a good spot and it fires right up, but most of the time I just get the click.

    Just wanted to know if these Motorgenic starters are any good.

    Thanks...
    Decided not to risk it and went with this OEM one off eBay (Aprilia Superstore) for $80 w/ Free shipping. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Aprilia-SXV...ywXFScAtY#rwid
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    Quote Originally Posted by tgodon13 View Post
    Has anyone tried these starters?
    http://motorgenic.com/electric-start...hoC3hEQAvD_BwE

    The one on my SXV450 finally starting going bad today. Not sure how old it is or if it was ever replaced. I've had the bike for 18 months now and never had a starting issue, and after the valve adjustments last winter it starts within 3 seconds when cold, and at the tap of the button when warmed up. So it took me as a bit of a surprise this morning. Occasionally I can find a good spot and it fires right up, but most of the time I just get the click.

    Just wanted to know if these Motorgenic starters are any good.

    Thanks...

    just open them up and solder the wires to the collector
    (the tabs that are folded over the wire)
    Lift them up and scrape the wires clean at that point and solder them and push the tabs back down.
    That's the only point those starters fail.
    After you solder them, sand the collector where the brushes ride on it and then clean the collector to get all the dust off.
    You may need to use a small screwdriver to clean between the collector pads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tgodon13 View Post
    Decided not to risk it and went with this OEM one off eBay (Aprilia Superstore) for $80 w/ Free shipping. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Aprilia-SXV...ywXFScAtY#rwid
    That's the one I bought which came with the "M" logo on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rollracer View Post
    YES!! after some research i've found some online....amazon and ebay.i also see that ''arrowhead''' starters seems quite popular in the UK.made in UK,quite in the same price range compared to MITSUBA units.may worth a look at those as well.

    the chinese units sells for 18 to 20$!!! i wouldn't feel full of joy at all learning my dealer sell me that crapp for 150$ !!!
    I found a WR450F Arrowhead starter new in Australia to my door for $180AU...

    Good price, so ordered and got it the other day...

    Straight away I saw "Made in Taiwan" which I was happy with...

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    Much better quality and a few differences...

    Magnet spacing is different...

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    Much better quality armature...

    Notice the bearing on the shaft?

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    Different bearing and seal arrangement...

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    Proper brush housing...

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    Swapped the brush housing across to an old original Aprilia end cap and assembled...

    Worked perfectly on a single try and started the bike...

    Might have solved this issue...

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    Nicely done mate. Keep us updated how it performs. As you say, its much more robust just from your photos.

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    Yes, great stuff @S4R! The never ending search for a reasonably better starter solution continues...
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    There's another thread on retrofitting WR450 starter parts into the remains of the SXV starter, and is what I originally did to revive my basket case RXV years ago. I didn't swap the brushes because mine were still OK, and I didn't have a strong enough soldering iron.

    S4, any tips on resoldering the positive brush? Last week I decided to replace the brushes, and ended up ruining it by probably getting solder between the case and the positive brush. That starter had been working great until I broke it.

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    Hey guys. Sorry I haven't made the vid, been busy. Wanted to update

    I ordered a starter from Aprilia Super Store. It did in fact have the M logo. I replaced the old starter and the bike fired up first try and ever try since. The motor is spinning much faster. There is a really big difference between the new starter and the one that was wearing out right before it seized. The old starter motor would not rotate the shaft by hand at all when taken out.

    I have three starters now, 2 bad and one good (now in the bike) every single one has the M logo. One came with the bike. One came when I got the motor rebuilt by Allen. One came from superstore. They are all the same starter.

    I think my problem may be my Shorai battery. I had a bunch of issues at the start of the season (see various posts). I believe that I was wearing down that battery and damaged the starter. The new starter and a full charge on the battery, it sounds like a completely different motorcycle when starting. The revolutions of the motor a rapid!

    SO! Don't fear Aprilia Superstore I guess?

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    Here is my second starter. This one has an M on it. Its toast! The original had an M on it. The new one currently in the bike has an M on it.


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