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    Quote Originally Posted by JMH View Post
    MV has shown speed and talent and so has Rossi. Don't know the percentage how much they have left in the tank of their past prime. However, Oxley thinks the bike is lacking a bit and when the margins are this small it certainly does Yamaha no favours, especially if the riders are as poor as you describe them to be. Rossi's point score must then be way more than what the bike and the rider should be capable. Must be the others faltering.

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    The excuses and pandering to Rossi never end. It always seems to be something besides himself that's holding him back. Last couple of seasons it was tire wear that kept him from winning and challenging for the title. Before that it was MM conspiring against him. Now it's a lack of top speed doing him in. Was it the top speed of the Suzuki that kept him form winning in Austin?

    He and Marc averaged nearly identical top speeds in France, yet MM had no problems overtaking and holding off the Ducatis. Fabio was also faster than both by a comfortable margin. The Ducati still turns like a truck, the Honda wants to fold up like lawn chair during corner entry, in other words every bike has its ups and downs. Maybe it's time Rossi excepted the fact that if the rider doesn't push to the maximum, and take risk they will not win, muchless see the podium. He's been riding the M1 longer than anyone, and it's always been down of straight line speed. Why cry about it now?

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    Well,

    It was tyre wear. Simple as that. The reasons behind are 0-100% from the bike and the rider. Choose your mixture.

    Also, they are down on top speed vs. Honda and Ducati at the moment. Simple as that.

    Of course, the bike turns, brakes and holds the line so it has strong points. It's not slowest of the bunch either.

    Clearly, the bike is not enough for the riders Yamaha has got at the moment. One option naturally is to change the line up trusting the bike has winning potential more than the competitors.

    So, if you could play fantasy GP who would you pick to ride Yamaha? Any rider except MM from all the three classes.

    As for COTA, Rins outrode Rossi. Simple as that.
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    And in 1 on 1 situations in the last few laps Rossi never(rarely) loses.
    I was shocked Rins beat him.
    They all Have tyre wear,they all get tired but this was the first time(that right now I can remember.Late in the day here too though) that he lost a 1on1 in the last few laps when the win was in the table(Iím sure there are other examples).
    Heck,he was the only one capable of beating Marc in a 1on1 for a win until Dov beat him recently.
    So you canít blame the bike.
    And this isnít a Rossi witch-hunt.Iíve done that after Sepang(justified too IMO).
    I just speak it as I see it.
    Rins was hungrier that day and maybe Rossiís age is a real factor now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by murphc13 View Post
    Rins was hungrier that day and maybe Rossi’s age is a real factor now.
    Of course it is.
    He's not a championship contender, I don't even think he's going to win another race although it's not beyond the realms of possibility. Right now tho' he's the best yamaha rider, he's better than his team mate and barring yamaha getting MM he's going to stay as the top yamaha rider, no way he's going to a satellite team unless it's his own and he's managing it.
    Rossi will stay until Rossi decides not to, he's doing well, he's close to the front, not floundering in midfield and outperforming his much younger teammate and he's an asset to the motogp brand, he puts bums on seats.
    I do think yamaha need to replace MV with a younger rider that Rossi could mentor tho'. Whether Rossi could do this if that rider started challenging him is another matter.
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    Interesting MotoGP podcast w/ Simon, Hopper ect. Surprised that Fabio has 6000km on the GP bike without a crash.

    spotify.com/podcast/episode

    And Roscoe isn't the fastest Yamaha though he is finishing highest, for now. #16 is surprising, must have that flowing Jorge style of old down pat. And it shows top speed isn't the biggest barrier to the title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 02RSVVT View Post
    Interesting MotoGP podcast w/ Simon, Hopper ect. Surprised that Fabio has 6000km on the GP bike without a crash.

    spotify.com/podcast/episode

    And Roscoe isn't the fastest Yamaha though he is finishing highest, for now. #16 is surprising, must have that flowing Jorge style of old down pat. And it shows top speed isn't the biggest barrier to the title.

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    the Honda's and the Duc's seem to have the best corner exit, maybe? The better they hook up on exit means faster straight times. The Yami might have more consistency in the turns?
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigo298er View Post
    the Honda's and the Duc's seem to have the best corner exit, maybe? The better they hook up on exit means faster straight times. The Yami might have more consistency in the turns?
    Which would kinda be the ‘jist’ for a while now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMH View Post
    Well,

    It was tyre wear. Simple as that. The reasons behind are 0-100% from the bike and the rider. Choose your mixture.

    Also, they are down on top speed vs. Honda and Ducati at the moment. Simple as that.

    Of course, the bike turns, brakes and holds the line so it has strong points. It's not slowest of the bunch either.

    Clearly, the bike is not enough for the riders Yamaha has got at the moment. One option naturally is to change the line up trusting the bike has winning potential more than the competitors.

    So, if you could play fantasy GP who would you pick to ride Yamaha? Any rider except MM from all the three classes.

    As for COTA, Rins outrode Rossi. Simple as that.

    Yamaha have always been down on power compared to the V4's. This is nothing new. I agree with you, their current riders are not enough to challenge Honda/Ducati podium dominance. Yes, Rossi is the top point scoring rider at Yamaha, but anyone with half a brain knows he's never gonna feature in the championship fight again, In fact he'd be beyond lucky at this point to win another race. So why carry on with him? 3rd place is a win for teams like Suzuki, KTM and Aprilia, but for a team like Yamaha, it can only be viewed as a complete failure. There are 3 top tier teams on the grid, and Yamaha is the worst by a significant margin.

    If I were choosing Yamaha's rider line up. It would look like this.

    Factory team
    Lorenzo
    Zarco

    Petronas team
    Fabio (on a factory spec bike like Miller and Cal)
    Rossi


    Yamaha should never have been so careless with Lorenzo after the 2015 season. Downplaying JL's championship victory to placate a selfish sore loser was the wrong choice. Obviously they learned nothing from Ducati's mishandling and undervaluing of Stoner. Nevertheless I do recognize Rossi's star power which is why I would have in the Jr team. Many star players learn to come of the bench in the twilight of their careers. Rossi is no different. He has no other strong options if wants to keep racing.

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    very strong! LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by prettykin View Post
    At this level you don't get a pass because of your age and finishing 5th on a Factory Yamaha isn't cutting it either. Especially when their main rivals are winning and consistently on the podium. And most importantly competing for the title. None of which Rossi, or MV are doing. If my fav rider was 40 and finishing 5th on a top factory bike, I'd hope he'd be smart enough to move aside and let a younger faster rider have a go.

    MV is still young and fast enough to turn things around. Rossi on the other hand is past his expiration date.
    Yeah, he's shit. FFS, the guy barely scraped a third place last year.

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