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    How do you ride a Guzzi quickly?

    As the title says, how does one ride these beasts convincingly quickly?

    I dont mind admitting that I am having trouble using what I have in a Bellagio.

    Can anyone give me a few pointers on how to push these machines hard into and out of corners?

    Thanks, as this is a sincere question.

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    Chris, I believe your answer is track days. . . . after reading all you can from various racers turned authors and teachers, (on track days). R3~

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    Thanks R3, my 'track days' consist of trying to follow my mates through mountain and valley runs.

    Tight 35 kmh corners fall foul of driveline back lash and I am trying to feather the rear brake in order to keep the rear end from unloading.

    Perhaps telling the bike who is boss more will work better as this one needs more input than any other bike I have ever ridden.

    Cheers.

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    Never corner on a trailing throttle. Stay on the gas.



    Then....

    Upgraded the front suspension. Put a longer shock on the rear. Put a proper seat on it. Replace the tank either one from a V7. Put lower bars on it.


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    Is that Wayne's toy Mark?
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    No, it belongs to a bloke in Germany. I built a custom map for it.

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    While Track days can be very useful, fast track lines and fast but safe road lines are 2 distinctly different things. Ive ridden over the years with plenty of guys who point out that they have completed all levels of Superbike school but have obviously not learnt a thing and particularly how to apply that to public road riding.

    And following your mates is not always a good thing, they could be doing it wrong and you're just following the pack. Typically groups ride too close and end up reacting more to each other than what the road is presenting.

    In slow (35K corners as you refer or slower if this is your challenge) with the wider bars of the Bellagio, dont be afraid to push them down away from your upper body like you would on a dirt bike rather than trying to hang off the inside and most importantly, KEEP YOUR VISION UP and looking towards the exit. Faster corners of course you would bias your weight to the inside of the bike. If you are unloading the rear too much then concentrate on getting your transition from getting off the brakes and onto the gas more smoothly and as suggested, dont corner on a trailing throttle. Keep the drive train loaded and use a little rear brake to settle if need be.

    And get someone to set up your suspension if not already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuzziOrDeath View Post
    No, it belongs to a bloke in Germany. I built a custom map for it.
    Didn't think so. I was looking for the Carbon wheels...
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    I get the impression here that giving it some stick is the way to go.

    Its just ........... so different to what I am used to.

    Lower bars, I hear you, as I really feel like getting over the front wheel more but its the rear end that gets me everytime.

    I guess practice, practice, practice is the key here.

    Perhaps a ride with the Guzzi club would be of benefit as an example of what to do.

    Thanks.

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    Chris, there are several people I know who have invested a lot of time and money making their Belaggios go quicker. Not faster, quicker. Email me and I'll give you some info. Thing is the Bellagio motor is a classic case of 'Keeping the best till last', (Almost, but that's fixable.). It's a super short stroke motor that loves to rev. This isn't your granddads old Cali 1100, it revels in being flogged, but the main thing is that there isn't a lot more power to be got out of the old pushrod donk but actually getting what it has to the road is easily improved because Piaggio in their infinite wisdom put a high reving screamer, (In pushrod twin terms.) into a poxy Cruiser format bike.

    Suspension. Brakes. Loose weight! There are the way forward with a Bellagio!
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    Or work on your technique.
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    First thing on the list simply must be a longer rear shock as 61mm travel and a squat rear just cant be ridden around when the excuse for Australian roads throws your feet right off the pegs at least twice a ride.

    Anyone got a standard length Bellagio shock for sale?

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    I got a couple of Sachs shocks lying around. What's the eye to eye on yours?
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    About 240mm when resting on its side stand.

    But I did find this over at Guzzi Tech -

    " Shock absorber LUX 883114
    Shock absorber BASE 977872

    The Lux travel is 61mm the Base is 120mm

    The Lux is 287 mm"

    So It could be 47 mm of sag included in the above.

    Whilst the standard shock is given at 310mm eye to eye.
    And a standard Griso shock is 320mm.

    Thanks Pete.
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    Personally, I'd try and find a good/reputable school in your area. This should be one..

    superbikeschool.com.au

    I've been their schools several times here in the states, and they're well run. Very structured. (They'll rent you bikes and leathers if you like.)


    To be honest, I think taking riding tips off of a forum has the potential to harm as much as help - no matter how experienced and well intentioned the person giving it. Your take away so far - and even some of the advice itself ("stay on the gas"), if misunderstood - is potentially dangerous.


    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Wilson View Post
    I get the impression here that giving it some stick is the way to go...

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