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    Capo/Fut fuel injector replacement/non oem alternative

    Hi all just thought I would share some info on injectors.

    the oem injectors are not serviceable simply replaceable only.

    so finding out my injectors were lazy I went through a box of my old boy racer bits.

    I found an identical injector from a 1.4i citreon saxo I once tuned silly

    so the peugeot 106 206 306 307 1007 Also share the same engine and electrics especially the injectors.

    Now the important bit £20 NEW EACH

    version or part no = 1984E0 injector.

    Cheap as chips Ill have two new one please best of all rebuld seal kits also are the same!
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    2002 ZX636 A1P Ninja list of mods is endless
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    I've never questioned why I ride, it's as basic as breathing.

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    Now that's a news. Just need to spray &, test them if they are the same.

    sold: "01 Caponord |Flame Red|, Modlist done: Honda CBR600 RR Mosfet (FH008) Rectifier Mod, Brown Connector Mod
    now: "04 Caponord |Rally Raid| FH016 Mosfet R/R | GPR Titanium Exhaust|
    01 Futura [infinity blue]
    Caponord Stanleybobly style loomed MOSFET Rectifiers & Fuelline Kit FS

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    If thats so thats a good solid find Tarks, credit were due.
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    ...Nice detective work Dean..proof of the pudding will be to bolt them on & tell us how they perform...
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    Yup I'm going to leak off test them next week to compare. Only due to no flow rate info being avail for the apes.
    i have one of these---
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171348065193 to cycle the injectors accurately. I bought it after cylinder troubles with my old Nissan 300zx TT at the time I looked for all ways to save money as running it was pricey enough.
    I also have my own ultrasonic cleaner from my mothers ex jewellery shop its a bloody great tool.

    The capo injectors are getting cleaned and tried first but these are the very same sagem injector so I imagine the test to prove they are a sound replacement for others

    I removed my capo's injectors and bar a blue band (put on by sagem for flow rate ID on Citroens and Peugeot's)
    its identical in every way. Unfortunately I cant leak test the ones I have from my saxo as my shed leaked and filled the tub with water putting 12v to them and nothing happens for the money tho I'm buying New ones to try out.

    The Capo injectors are filthy! I dare say most my poor throttle response issues and hesitance is down to these filthy lazy injectors. I have never seen such a build up of gunk and scale!

    Leak off results on the new and old coming soon

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    Last edited by Tarks; 08-03-2014 at 02:41 PM.
    Me n' Mine:-

    2006 Caponord ETV 1000 "Twiki"
    2004 Tuono Racing Rep, Full Carbon with SBK 2-2 Akro's
    2002 ZX636 A1P Ninja list of mods is endless
    "Made in Italy....Perfected in my Garage"
    I've never questioned why I ride, it's as basic as breathing.

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    Had you tried injector cleaner or are they beyond that?

    Is it un/likely that injectors that are outwardly identical would have similar spray pattern shapes and flow rates? Id have thought that used in different applications (cars with different displacements, chambers, heads) they would be designed to work differently?

    Then again i think i remember one of the brains explaining way back that our twin spark heads were the result of necessity to make a complete burn (dont they fire simultaneously).
    Perhaps this was the result of aprilia having specd these parts bin injectors to rotwx at design brief?
    Hope they are the same, would be a great fix where needed.

    Step by step with pics on replacement and installation would be nice.
    Brum Brum

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_toe_cutter View Post
    Step by step with pics on replacement and installation would be nice.
    Mandatory ...
    (2003 Infinity Blue Capo) - Leo Vince x3 Cans/K&N Air filter/Snorkle-less/Catfish Map/ZX-6R FH016 Mosphet Rectifier/Front Coils re-located/Metal Fuel CRC Fixings/Brown Connector-less/Hyperpro Springs F&R/Rear Hugger/R&G Heated Grips/Krauser Alloy Panniers/Givi G45 Box/BMW GS1150 HandGuards with Touratech Extensions/Kawasaki Z1000 Mirrors/CREE LED's/Wilks Raid Rep Sump Guard & aprilia Crash Bars + Lots of Stickers..
    (2004 BMW R1150 RT) Bigger touring screen, headlight protector & aftermarket reflective decals.
    (1990 Kawasaki ZZ-R 1100C1) Remus Innovation S/S Full System, Double Bubble Screen, ZXR750 full lift Carbtops & RenTec rack.
    (1997 Kawasaki KLR 650 C3) In Kwacker Green.

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    I had my injectors ultrasonically cleaned and flow checked.

    Flow test was made during 30s at 3 bar and 50% duty cycle (3msec open and 3msec closed) and both injectors were measured to 111 cc.
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    Just found these on the well known auction site
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261537648128
    Im sure I can get them through work cheaper I'll find out 2moro.
    Me n' Mine:-

    2006 Caponord ETV 1000 "Twiki"
    2004 Tuono Racing Rep, Full Carbon with SBK 2-2 Akro's
    2002 ZX636 A1P Ninja list of mods is endless
    "Made in Italy....Perfected in my Garage"
    I've never questioned why I ride, it's as basic as breathing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deefred View Post
    I had my injectors ultrasonically cleaned and flow checked.

    Flow test was made during 30s at 3 bar and 50% duty cycle (3msec open and 3msec closed) and both injectors were measured to 111 cc.
    brilliant thanks for that
    Me n' Mine:-

    2006 Caponord ETV 1000 "Twiki"
    2004 Tuono Racing Rep, Full Carbon with SBK 2-2 Akro's
    2002 ZX636 A1P Ninja list of mods is endless
    "Made in Italy....Perfected in my Garage"
    I've never questioned why I ride, it's as basic as breathing.

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    Untill I can clean up the capo sagem ones and test them against the other sagem alternative we wont 100% know.
    DeeFred has definately given us a starting point to work off thanks again for that.

    as far as fuel burn and spray pattern etc its more important for direct injection setups. Our bikes fire into the tb's so its not as critical.

    As long as the pressure and volume is the same on replacements all should be fine given the spray pattern is simular if not identical.
    Me n' Mine:-

    2006 Caponord ETV 1000 "Twiki"
    2004 Tuono Racing Rep, Full Carbon with SBK 2-2 Akro's
    2002 ZX636 A1P Ninja list of mods is endless
    "Made in Italy....Perfected in my Garage"
    I've never questioned why I ride, it's as basic as breathing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_toe_cutter View Post
    Had you tried injector cleaner or are they beyond that?

    Is it un/likely that injectors that are outwardly identical would have similar spray pattern shapes and flow rates? Id have thought that used in different applications (cars with different displacements, chambers, heads) they would be designed to work differently?

    Then again i think i remember one of the brains explaining way back that our twin spark heads were the result of necessity to make a complete burn (dont they fire simultaneously).
    Perhaps this was the result of aprilia having specd these parts bin injectors to rotwx at design brief?
    Hope they are the same, would be a great fix where needed.

    Step by step with pics on replacement and installation would be nice.
    I ran injector cleaner in the last 4 tanks of fuel on occasions the bike ran fine but a week later crap again so after changing absolutely everything else its almost safe to say the injectors are a likely culprits for my poorly troublesome crapo.
    Me n' Mine:-

    2006 Caponord ETV 1000 "Twiki"
    2004 Tuono Racing Rep, Full Carbon with SBK 2-2 Akro's
    2002 ZX636 A1P Ninja list of mods is endless
    "Made in Italy....Perfected in my Garage"
    I've never questioned why I ride, it's as basic as breathing.

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    TTC,
    The need for twin spark is irrelevant here imo as if we coax the attention of catfish im sure he runs single spark heads in his track beasts. Maybe he can confirm this and explain why n how.


    I promise to do a pin-able full write up and change the first thread starting post with it.
    Me n' Mine:-

    2006 Caponord ETV 1000 "Twiki"
    2004 Tuono Racing Rep, Full Carbon with SBK 2-2 Akro's
    2002 ZX636 A1P Ninja list of mods is endless
    "Made in Italy....Perfected in my Garage"
    I've never questioned why I ride, it's as basic as breathing.

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    Grease the o-rings when putting the injectors back in. İt is very very tight.
    Easy to nick the oem Viton rings.......

    sold: "01 Caponord |Flame Red|, Modlist done: Honda CBR600 RR Mosfet (FH008) Rectifier Mod, Brown Connector Mod
    now: "04 Caponord |Rally Raid| FH016 Mosfet R/R | GPR Titanium Exhaust|
    01 Futura [infinity blue]
    Caponord Stanleybobly style loomed MOSFET Rectifiers & Fuelline Kit FS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanleybobly View Post
    Grease the o-rings when putting the injectors back in. İt is very very tight.
    Easy to nick the oem Viton rings.......
    Vasaline at the ready for all seals bar brakes then I use RRG
    Me n' Mine:-

    2006 Caponord ETV 1000 "Twiki"
    2004 Tuono Racing Rep, Full Carbon with SBK 2-2 Akro's
    2002 ZX636 A1P Ninja list of mods is endless
    "Made in Italy....Perfected in my Garage"
    I've never questioned why I ride, it's as basic as breathing.

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