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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed / AF1 Racing View Post
    all Falcos use the 2000 Mille engine but with a different shift drum inside.
    Ahhh cos fo the linkage...
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    Mille's and Tuono's use a different shift drum than the other V60 powered models because the way they mount the shifter, pointing backward from the shaft, reverses the pattern from the linkage setup on the Falco, Futura and the forward pinting lever on the Capo.

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    Does the Futura also run the same engine as the Falco, the older Mille engine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 63sprintinsabin View Post
    Does the Futura also run the same engine as the Falco, the older Mille engine?
    sort of....different electronics and sensors on the Futura, but otherwise same block.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed / AF1 Racing View Post
    sort of....different electronics and sensors on the Futura, but otherwise same block.
    That being the case, I assume that futura heads will bolt right up to a mille engine yes? Did the '02 futura get the larger valve heads?
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    Hello gurus. Would a 2002 Mille motor be the same as an '03 with the exception of the gearbox? Same heads, valves, pistons, etc?

    And was the close ratio gearbox really that huge of an improvement?

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    Yes, the same but for the gear set. Whether you will prefer the close or wide ratio depends on how you like to gear your bike and how you like first gear. If you complain about 1st being too tall then you are probably better off with the WR.

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    Thanks KZ. Both my Falcos are running 15/42 and 1st is fine.

    I have an '04 Tuono motor getting ready to go in one and I'm thinking about an '02 Mille engine for the other, so I'm trying to decide if the lack of NG gearing in the Mille is going to be a big deal -- probably not.

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    02 heads?

    so if i ever get time to tear into that boat anchor 2000 mille engine in the corner, find out what's wrong, save the lower end, install a big bore kit, i need 2002 or later heads for it to kick up the ponies? Anyone have a good set around for sale?
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    Quote Originally Posted by axesape View Post
    i need 2002 or later heads for it to kick up the ponies?
    Micah said the small valve heads need "very minor" work for a 1060cc build. I'd keep them and save the money for 57mm TBs.

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    With a few mods, not cheap ones mind you, but common ones as of late, the engine of a 00.5 R can be made more than competitive with the newer bikes in terms of power. A proper Akro twin pipe set, or even a rough custom twin pipe set up like I did on my Tuono to use late model headers on an early model bike will flatten the torque curve a LOT while adding power from idle to redline. 1060cc pistons, very minor head work or heads from a 02-05 with the same work, the larger 57mm late model throttle bodies, a good eprom and a PCIIIusb to fine tune it will make more power than you can use 99% of the time on the street. The early chassis is more than capable of handling the changes. I have gotten a best run of 125.7 bhp on the older motor, when set up in a similar way and the new bike about 129 bhp with the latest spec engine set up the same way. I personally would use the camshafts from 2005 or newer RSVR and time them in the 106-109 or even more torque-ier direction. My Tuono 05 is set at about 105/107 and I would like to one day try even more low end oriented timing. That bike is stock bore and small valve (engine from Falco) and makes torque comparable to a well modded late model, just 3k rpm sooner...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micah / AF1 Racing
    1060cc kit, deck heads less than .5mm. Light porting, just clean up around valve seat to head casting junction, have the head guy polish the exhaust put not change too much, 106/109 cam timing or as close as your stock cam sprockets allow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed / AF1 Racing View Post
    all Falcos use the 2000 Mille engine but with a different shift drum inside.
    I know this is an old post but.....

    I did some searching and found that all the Falcos, Futuras, and Capos used the same shift drum (AP0258325). But the RSV and Tuono used 3 different ones (98-00 & 01-02 RSV: AP0258322; 01-02 UK & 03 RSV: AP0258327; 02-05 & 06-09 Tuono, & 04-09 RSVR: AP0258328). I guess all of that is just useless info considering my question.

    My Falco currently has a RSV shift lever giving me a GP shift pattern. Can I simply swap one of the RSV or Tuono shift drums with my Falco one and get a standard shift pattern while still using the RSV shifter?

    And for anyone with an RSV: Could they simply swap in a Falco, Fut, or Capo shift drum and get a GP shift pattern while still using their "linkage-less" shifter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lttlcheeze View Post
    ...My Falco currently has a RSV shift lever giving me a GP shift pattern. Can I simply swap one of the RSV or Tuono shift drums with my Falco one and get a standard shift pattern while still using the RSV shifter?

    And for anyone with an RSV: Could they simply swap in a Falco, Fut, or Capo shift drum and get a GP shift pattern while still using their "linkage-less" shifter?
    Yes, the shift pattern is all in the shift drum.

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    Dunno if this has been mentioned somewhere else, I can't find it anyway...

    My manual says:
    - Intake valve (4) 035.3 mm or 37.7 mm(*)
    - Exhaust valve (5) 0 30.3 mm.

    (*) = For vehicle models starting from 2001.

    I am reading everywhere that the engine got bigger valves in 2002, so are the 2002 engine intake valves even bigger then 37.7 mm? Or did the US get them later the us Euro's?

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    The US did not get the new engine till the 02 year model.

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