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Thread: Ricks Motorsports Stator Version 2 - Thicker next step wires

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    My sincere apologies - FALSE ALARM

    I made a mistake everyone and left the 3 yellow wires exposed when I performed some maintenance from a couple of weeks ago. It took awhile but the exposed wires made contact with each and as a result, caused the bike to not charge.

    MY MISTAKE COMPLETELY and there is nothing wrong with my stator. There is however something wrong with the owner and will need to pay better attention to details in the future.

    Sorry again all.

    Just to confirm - my bike is running fine and it charges at idle and at speed.
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    Mileage Update

    10,025 Miles - No issues to report.

    Voltage #'s

    1. Idle - 14.0
    2. At speed - 14.2

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    Hey R32,

    I meant to ask you...Did you buy Ricks Voltage regulator as well? Or just the stator? I know he sells a replacement regulator also. Just curious...thanks for the update buddy,

    Im glad you are keeping us posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noskills View Post
    Hey R32,

    Did you buy Ricks Voltage regulator as well? Or just the stator?
    You're right. I purchased the Regulator as well. It wasn't necessary however as the stock unit was just fine and it still is.

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    I have installed a Version 2 stator from Rick's and followed that with the purchase of a replacement regulator. While riding Sunday I checked my voltage at the dash and was getting low elevens and so headed for home quickly.

    The stator seemed to check OK, but the regulator failed testing according to the Electrex diagnostic flowchart. I have sent the regulator back to Rick's for evaluation. Total mileage on the regulator is 450.

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    i have put a few hundred miles on my bike and all seems good. the R/R checked out o.k.

    Rick's had nothing to really say about the failure of the previous stator. just a bunch of mumbo jumbo about modern bikes:

    I talked to Rick and this is what he had to say: We increased the voltage by changing the delta design to a "Y" wind. And we increased the size of the wire to help handle the extra voltage and current. The stator, when it's generating, creates a lot of heat. Most engines are designed for a method of oil cooling inside the stator cover. Rick is not familiar with what type of oil cooling system the Mille has, if any. Also, outside ambient temperature can affect the overall heat that the bike has to endure.
    Perhaps you were riding in the summer when it temps were really high in Cali.

    All of these factors may have contributed to a shortened life to your specific stator, but we are not positive.

    I have no idea how they think changing to a wye design would increase the voltage. does not make sense to me. matter of fact, with less widings due to thicker wire the voltage should drop.
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    stators and rotors

    Helmut;

    the 1st bike that i know that has the same stator is the 1982 VFR 1000F Honda

    the 1st generation Milles had NO trouble with the same stator
    then Denso sold Aprilia the new rotor with TOO MUCH MAGNETISM

    it over heats the stator and burns your oil

    does any one have a cooling system on their car's alternator????
    its just a GARBAGE way of making electricty.....and Aprilia has made no effort to fix it!

    Rick's explanation....???

    Noel-theknurl

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    Noel,
    yes, too powerful a magnet will create too much voltage. now if you have higher voltage you would require less amperage to generate the same wattage. also smaller wires would be o.k.

    so now we have beefed up the size of the wires/windings (with Rick's V2 stator) and therefore decreased the voltage which then increases the amperage (requiring larger wires anyway) to maintain the same wattage out of the R/R.

    i am wonderinf if going opposite would not help? smaller wires/windings, higher voltage, lower amperage required for same wattage at R/R. the question is how high of a voltage can the R/R handle before burning out the diodes?
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    heat

    Helmut;
    i watched my rotor, on the test bench at ElectroSport, start the insulation on a brand new smoking and turn from blue to brown....in 20 seconds!

    the problem is the rotor it reads almost 2600 Gausses, i've been told that you only need 1200 Gausses or so to produce the listed output of the alternator

    between 1st and 2nd generation Milles only the rotor changed!

    the Big 4 had the same problem....but they DID something about it.....and speak Japanese too

    Noel-theknurl

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    so is the rotor also windings, or is it a magnet?

    my guess is the older rotor will not fit our bikes?
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    rotors

    magnets.....we can't use the old rotors, they don't have the missing tooth trigger that our ECU needs

    Noel-theknurl

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    too bad you can't add that on.
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    Not False Alarm

    As the title says...NOT false alarm from a month 1/2 ago.

    Stator Failed last Tuesday and total mileage was 10,225.

    Luckily I have a spare gen 1 that I kept and I'm quickly back on the road. I'm NOT about to purchase a stock for over $1000 with a new rotor so I guess, I'll be calling Ricks soon.

    Brief Summary - VERSION 2 lasted over 14 months for me and a total of 10,225 miles.
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    Rick's warranty is a year. they did mine. maybe they will give you the two months.
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    thanks

    Reubens32;

    thanks for all your work on the stator problem, everyone owes you a thanks,
    i started in on it, and as you know now, its mostly smoke and mirrors......and always somebody else's fault.....Denso screwed up and here we are.....

    i'm on my 7th .....but its on hold for right now, i want the MV rolling down the road, went completely through it.

    Rueben, thank you my friend.

    it's just total bullshit that we have to go through this stuff

    Noel-theknurl

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