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    Braking 'Bang for the Buck'

    I want to improve the the feel and power of my Fut brakes.
    My Victory, which looks to have the exact same Brembo calipers and rotors,
    has a significantly better braking feel and power.

    I know there is an abundance of knowledge here on this topic.
    Sooo, what is the easiest path to better Fut brakes?
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    Some people think the stock brake lines are sufficient, but I put the braided lines on mine and it made a huge improvement for 'feel'. The other suggestion would be to try a stickier pad. I haven't had the need so I'll let others recommend a compound.
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    New rotors and better pads make a world of difference! I love the DP pads or Carbone Lorraine pads. Those alone will improve the braking power without doing anything else.
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    I don't understand all the fuss with changing the brakes! I pull on the lever and it stops. The harder I pull, the faster it de-accelerates. If I pull hard enough, it breaks traction, which indicates to me that there is no more to be had. Each time I use them, I get the same linear predictable result. I experience no fade. I would not want them more sensitive or less linear. More sensitive would only require me to be more exact in my pressure. I can easily apply enough pressure as they are.

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    I have to say that the original brakes were brilliant, mainly as I stepped up from twin pot slidding calipers...but ...

    since I have up-graded to 320mm discs the differance is amazing , I've always had ss lines, and the pads were the same I had on the 300mm discs, maybe the material in the disc is different , but there damn impressive now.


    a couple of years ago I scoured the discs (300mm) with an orbital sander and that improved them for a while, the intial bite was proberbly a bit brutal they stopped great with good feel (after the intial bite). but alas only lasted a while until they wore back to crap.

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    Have you done the free brake upgrade yet?

    http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=57482

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    Quote Originally Posted by commandodave View Post
    Have you done the free brake upgrade yet?

    http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=57482

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    Yes, and I was pretty happy with my Fut brakes until I bought the Victory.
    Ignorance and all that bliss.

    Then the 'Duc' arrived.
    Now I feel like I'm nearly bursting a hydraulic line to get my Fut to stop.


    Believe I'm presently running Galfer FD176 pads. Maybe they have become contaminated.
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    I've raced on several different brake pads and compounds. I've settled on Vesrah pads. They are awesome. I do like a fairly strong initial bite. I would highly recommend the RJ compound for the street. The RJL or SRJL may be too powerful for you. I'm currently running the RJ pads along with stock lines, etc. My braking performance is awesome. Just make sure to bead blast the rotors before using the new pads and you have fresh brake fluid with absolutely zero air in the system. If you do this, you will have way more brake than you actually need for the street.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meanstrk View Post
    New rotors and better pads make a world of difference! I love the DP pads or Carbone Lorraine pads. Those alone will improve the braking power without doing anything else.



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    I have replace the rotors with EBC prolite contour, pads are EBC HH, the lines are Spiegler SS.
    All of these mods have made an noticeable improvement in the braking, not just the stopping power , but the feel and control. Control is what you are after, being able to lock the wheel is not the point. Having great stopping power and the ability to control it is what I want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rblue02 View Post
    Yes, and I was pretty happy with my Fut brakes until I bought the Victory.
    Ignorance and all that bliss.

    Then the 'Duc' arrived.
    Now I feel like I'm nearly bursting a hydraulic line to get my Fut to stop.


    Believe I'm presently running Galfer FD176 pads. Maybe they have become contaminated.
    What does the Duc weigh? Low 400lb range? I'm not surprised it stops so much better then the Futura. Pull 100 lbs off the Futura & I bet its braking will feel amazing also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 50Joe View Post
    I've raced on several different brake pads and compounds. I've settled on Vesrah pads. They are awesome. I do like a fairly strong initial bite. I would highly recommend the RJ compound for the street. The RJL or SRJL may be too powerful for you. I'm currently running the RJ pads along with stock lines, etc. My braking performance is awesome. Just make sure to bead blast the rotors before using the new pads and you have fresh brake fluid with absolutely zero air in the system. If you do this, you will have way more brake than you actually need for the street.
    Boy 50Joe you have it 100% right. Vesrah are a hidden treasure. When I was still running on the tracks, I could just squeezed down with 2 fingers and feel the rear end just lift as I rolled into a 140 MPH corner....absolutly great brake pads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Wanderer View Post
    Boy 50Joe you have it 100% right. Vesrah are a hidden treasure. When I was still running on the tracks, I could just squeezed down with 2 fingers and feel the rear end just lift as I rolled into a 140 MPH corner....absolutly great brake pads.
    for Vesrah pads! I liked the consistency of the RJ pads for road use even after several thousand miles. The EBC HH's and CL pads are great at first, but after a couple of thousand miles, they start to lose their linearity and feel wooden (this was with a VTR using stock calipers, S/S lines and cast iron rotors). They're worth a try.
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    Yes, of my 3 bikes, I like the feel of the Victory brakes the best.
    Don't know what pads it has, but it has Brembo brakes and braided lines stock. Firm lever, great brake torque/bite, great power & modulation.

    The Ducati brakes are awesome, but perhaps too sensitive for the street.
    Definately will be too sensitive in the rain.

    For the Fut, I'll try the Vesrah RJ pads along with the bead blast.
    (I used to metal-wire-brush-via-drill my race car rotors between weekends. Do you suppose this would be an acceptable equivalent to bead blasting?)

    I'll the above is not enough, then I'll go with new rotors, and then SS lines, if required.

    Thanks guys!
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    Well, the Vesrah RJ pads appear to be no longer available.
    Web sites only speak of the RJL, and I haven't found a Futura part #.
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