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    It ain't all bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin H View Post
    Well, I'm a first class weirdo, but often I find the kill switch and clutch to be handy in those situations...
    well the mana is lacking a clutch leaver as the british call it. Kill swtich yet but it would take me a second in an emergency to find that when I normally react with the clutch, and that one second could be the difference between serious injury or not. I hope it gets sorted and is as reliable as the RSV series, it would make a great town bike or if I was in college I'd want one over a scooter hands down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeBenGuzzi View Post
    it would take me a second in an emergency to find that when I normally react with the clutch...
    Only true if you were borrowing somebody else's bike. The first scooter I rode I grabbed for the clutch three times before I got into the routine and the disconcerting feeling that I was going to stall lasted about ten minutes. It's only initially disconcerting until the brain sorts it out. Now, I can jump on a scooter or motorcycle and my mind has different hand-brain mappings that I am equally skilled at. Unless a person has difficulty learning new skills and can't process the difference between riding a mini-bike vs. bicycle or snowmobile vs. ATV or snowboarding vs. skiing I wont be a problem. The mind adapts rather quickly except for those people who really can't chew bubblegum and skip at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon / AF1 Racing View Post
    Bah! The Internet will never catch on!

    Micah is the guy who crashed my BMW bike because of a stuck open throttle... Due to a stuck cable. ABS probably would have saved his ass.

    Shouldn't have let him have at your stash first, either!
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    Quote Originally Posted by freebird View Post
    The mind adapts rather quickly except for those people who really can't chew bubblegum and skip at the same time.

    No Shit.... Jump rope and chew gum at the same time ??? Some posters that are here would become asphixiated just by trying to chew gum









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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin H View Post
    Correct, however the bike Jon and I were referring to was a BMW, which probably had a clutch. What do the Brits call literary comprehension? That's a useful skill in college.
    True, but youre a thread hijacker as this was all really about the mana, not the BMW. SO I tried to relate it back to the mana situation, Ass.

    and I wonder if its the same Kevin H we kicked off the Guzzi board. sounds like it.
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    I see from the Maxmoto fourm that the problem appears to be something to do with dirt being able to get into the system, rather than an electronic fault.
    No more detail than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CapoGrandad View Post
    I see from the Maxmoto fourm that the problem appears to be something to do with dirt being able to get into the system, rather than an electronic fault.
    No more detail than that.
    It has to be something inherent to the unique design of the Mana, and its implementation of Aprilia's ride-by-wire technology, and not a fault in the technology itself. The Shiver has been out longer than the Mana and also uses RBW exclusively, yet it is not a part of the recall. Unless the Mana has a next generation RBW then you would expect a recall on both models.

    Good on Aprilia for issuing the recall and getting the problem fixed. From what I read on other sites, many manufacturers have these types of problems; they just don't issue the recall.

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    Have a look at last few entries in this forum. There is an owner who has had the recall mod done. Sounds like a little plastic cover of some sort, so not a fundamental problen with RBW.

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    Very informative Doc.


    Could you now tell us about the Aprilia (no)policy regarding the link plates?

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    Thank you for your informative reply. I do for sure agree with you in many ways. I am not worried about the recalls that are official and distributed through open channels.

    But sometimes you find incidents that for a lay man (the owner) apparently is similar (like the link plate story going on in this forum); I do for sure understand that owners are worrying about things like this.
    When you also find a dealership with a good international reputation is starting to offer these kinds of replacement parts, any normal person will start to wonder what is going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DR APE View Post
    I have posted on the link issue. I do not see proper analysis on this. I see one person that is trying to approach this properly (MILLEMILLE) but some of the other posters seem to jump on anything that will make the case. Sorry, I hope you are not the one involved with that accident. But if you look at the lack of evidence, how can anyone ask Aprilia to act on information that is so limited. I know people have been hurt, and that is horrible, but the cause and the details are somewhat limited. If there was better information, or more failures (heaven forbid) they might act. Read my post on the link, it is pretty clear. Sorry to hijack the thread.

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    Hey Doc,

    One accident is one too many. Aprilia as the manufacturer has the duty to review their design, using all the proper models with the input corrected from the findings in used bikes with higher mileage. Also, as a responsable company, should ask for the metalurgical analysis of the failed parts.

    Personally, who cares about my unpaid opinion, I believe the plates are properly design, although maybe optimized to minimize weight. Obvious they are not designed to be on a bike like the CapoNord. I have a Tuono and I am not changing the plates for others built without any stress analysis study. Better stop here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DR APE View Post
    I agree that one failure is too many, but the issue still remains, when it failed. If you review my post on the subject you will see how I arrive at my conclusion. Looking at the photos, they raise many questions about several things. In the first photo, how does an unrestrained wheel have enough force restraint to bend the lip. I ran some calcs on this, and unfortunately I had no idea what the impact media was, but I come up with over 2800lbs (+- 720 lbs) of force, now can I ask you, do you think a wheel that has no linkage attached to it would remain in its proper position without breaking through the subframe? I seriously doubt it. If I could see the impact zone (it is too late now) I could determine mathematically that this link broke in the crash (after the fact) or pre crash impact. There is no doubt that it broke. But if it broke in the crash, then this whole discussion is moot. Everything else on that thread is conjecture "i heard from this guy that works with a friend who owns an AP dealership that his rep said these were breaking. I have to call BS on those, because they just aren't reliable.

    Again, sorry for the Hijack guy, this thread is for the MANA recall.

    Dr. E
    Doc,
    It seems that nobody including Aprilia did a metalurgical analysis of the failed part, where the mechanisms of failure would have been evident. Without that you will never get to a proper conclusion.

    Regarding your calcs, I respectifully may put them in question, unless you stated their basis. Obviously if you assume only shear or tension would have been pretty easy(?) to get a conclusion, but when you put in the equation some possible torsion, fatigue and possible defective material (not homogeneous) that can get very complex. BTW, personally I may agree with the impact theory, that's one of the reasons tht I did not chnge the plate.

    Like you I am sorry to hijack this thread, but...this subject is too import just to be ignored.

    May be someone can take these postings that are not applicable to the Mana and re-post them in a new or applicable old thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by olie View Post
    Doc,
    It seems that nobody including Aprilia did a metalurgical analysis of the failed part, where the mechanisms of failure would have been evident. Without that you will never get to a proper conclusion.
    Olie,
    Scott2ride seems to have had the test done that you require see here:
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