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    Honest always, feared often Micah / AF1 Racing's Avatar
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    I too am opposed at all levels to electronic throttles. I know they are here to stay. My BMW (1996 750il) has a pair, my 2004 Ford has one, Ed and Steve's Corvettes have them, Jon and Kirks BMW's 2001-2003 have them and in cars they seem to be fine. A bike is not a car!

    On a bike I want not to have additional unneeded stuff. I do not want ABS, I do not want an electronic throttle, linked brakes, purely cosmetic ANYTHING. I like the purity of purpose in bikes. I love the idea of the Mana, hell I have 4 on order and number one is staying here as an R&D and demo mule.

    I think the hot ticket may be an aftermarket cable throttle conversion on all the bikes that use them, Yamahas and Aprilias included. There is just such brilliant simplicity and fail safe operation with a pair of cables....which quite ironically the bikes all still have, just one goes to a reostat and the other is a backup closer cable.

    I fear not change. I fear added complexity without any sort of appreciable gain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micah / AF1 Racing View Post
    I fear not change. I fear added complexity without any sort of appreciable gain.
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    An answer to a question no one asked - or something
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    nay sayers

    Quote Originally Posted by Bremms View Post
    Seems like Aprilia is in a bad way.. I really like my Mille but this
    company has a lot of issues.. The Mille is now way out of date,
    they make a STUPID CVT bike( I said it!!) Why use electronic throttle???
    They can't make a charging system that doesn't cook the stator, and they
    design a digital throttle control?? Aprilia has fallen way behind the curve,
    has bad service and no direction. Product development seems at least 2-3
    years behind and they are loosing sales. This is another nail in the coffin for me. I'm not going to even go into the issues with the 450/550, that was an economic folly. I'm sorry but this company has it's head up it's ass.

    No focus at all.. the Capo and the Futura have all but gone, updating those
    would make sense. They have no real replacements. The Tuono is a cool bike
    but it's not very attractive compared to the competition.
    They need to find a market focus instead of flailing around. Nobody seems
    to want to say these things.
    I grow weary of people who are nothing but doom and gloom. you might be right, but I doubt it.

    The last motorcycle I purchased was from another small company and thats part of the reason I bought it. it is different, its not a household name, yet it worked amazingly well. and on the boards there were plenty of doom and gloomers who were just POSITIVE that the end was near because their voltage regulator turns out to be merely adaquate for the bike and not up to the task of multiple headlights, electric clothes, a coffee cup heater and nipple warmers.

    Yet here it is 9 years later and my bike runs great, I havent had to replace the voltage regulator, the company is doing great and yet I am sure if I went back to those boards someone would still think the sky was falling.

    I come here for technical assistance and to learn about what I have. I like to work on things myself and its nice when others do too and have some advice that saves me some headaches, but I dont think I can handle reading these areas for all the dour outlooks.

    My bikes are my toys. They are are fun and bring me joy like toys do for a child. I don't need to read captain bringdown.

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    It's a pity that the Mana is subject a safety recall, as it's going to hit it's sales. It's ironic that the problem is nothing to do with any of the really innovative parts of the bike - not that are any, it's just the way that the components are packaged together - but in the eyes of many people it's those parts that will unfairly be blamed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeBenGuzzi View Post
    yeah Rotax is AMAZING, they are so rediculously bullet proof
    The primary reason I bought the Tuono is because of the Rotax engine. I have a BMW F650GS that has the thumper version of it and it is indestructible. I wanted that reliability in a Vtwin, so the Ape won out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micah / AF1 Racing View Post
    On a bike I want not to have additional unneeded stuff. I do not want ABS, I do not want an electronic throttle, linked brakes, purely cosmetic ANYTHING. I like the purity of purpose in bikes.


    make's u ask youreself's how did ppl ride bike's in 70's or 80's without all those electronic "helpers"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micah / AF1 Racing View Post
    I do not want ABS, I do not want an electronic throttle, linked brakes...
    The recall doesn't frighten me. I want the Mana now and when the half-faired version with ABS arrives next year I'll buy that too. However. I'm not a fan of linked brakes and i absolutely hate the alarm system and immobilizer.

    By the way, what is the latest word on the USA arrival for the Mana?

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    Quote Originally Posted by freebird View Post
    The recall doesn't frighten me. I want the Mana now and when the half-faired version with ABS arrives next year I'll buy that too. However. I'm not a fan of linked brakes and i absolutely hate the alarm system and immobilizer.

    By the way, what is the latest word on the USA arrival for the Mana?
    Our A.O.P. says soonest availability is Q3, which probably translates to ~September.
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    Just An Fyi

    My 2000 Guzzi V11 had the throttle stick on me once(almost twice), I was near my house but the way they mount the cable to the butterflys there is a arm that connects the two TB's and gunk got inside one of the ball joints and jamed it. Just because the old way always worked for you doesn't mean there aren't any problems with it or ways to improve it. I wouldn't have had that problem with an electronic throttle(well if they had two cervos and not connected tb's with a rod)
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    has anyone been hearing about a replacement of the rsvr, supposedly based off of a whole new chassis and engine?Or am I behind times on this issue?
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    Just sold my '51 RSV Mille all it ever needed in 6+ years was a headlight bulb and voltage regulator it had done 21,000 miles...

    I'm waiting for the V4 & V1200 either one is going to good, but I'm staying with Aprilia

    Quote Originally Posted by FUN DOG View Post
    You know, when I read your stuff above, I thought "you know, he's right." Aprilia is sort of a flailing entity.

    But you know what? In the past, they have made the neatest stuff. I mean, give them some credit. They're experimental. They actually TRY shit for better or worse. When their bikes come out, it may not be "Best In Class," but you can bet it's going to be one-of-a-kind.

    I like the way the Tuono looks. I think it's totally unique and that means everything to me.

    My Futura is a perfect example of this. There's really nothing like it. And, it also happens to be one of the most reliable bikes on the planet (thanks largely to the Rotax). The thing just works. There's nothing I don't like about it---NOTHING.

    People complain about the electrics, but once you get the stator wiring thing rigged and the fuel connector fixed, everything else is PERFECT. Best stock seat on the planet.

    I'm very happy with my Aprilia...ecstatic is a better word, and I'm always interested in what they're coming out with next. I can't say that about a lot of other manufacturers.

    If Piaggio would recognize what a jewel they have in Aprilia and kick them some real funding, things would be better for Aprilia and Piaggio.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micah / AF1 Racing View Post
    I too am opposed at all levels to electronic throttles. I know they are here to stay. My BMW (1996 750il) has a pair, my 2004 Ford has one, Ed and Steve's Corvettes have them, Jon and Kirks BMW's 2001-2003 have them and in cars they seem to be fine. A bike is not a car!

    On a bike I want not to have additional unneeded stuff. I do not want ABS, I do not want an electronic throttle, linked brakes, purely cosmetic ANYTHING. I like the purity of purpose in bikes. I love the idea of the Mana, hell I have 4 on order and number one is staying here as an R&D and demo mule.
    Bah! The Internet will never catch on!

    Micah is the guy who crashed my BMW bike because of a stuck open throttle... Due to a stuck cable. ABS probably would have saved his ass.
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    Micah is the guy who crashed my BMW bike because of a stuck open throttle... Due to a stuck cable. ABS probably would have saved his ass.
    Maybe a recall would have prevented the stuck cable.
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    Sometimes it takes those "doom and gloom" people to spur rapid improvement. I don't think AMA superbike is going anywhere either, but that doesn't mean it couldn't use some help. Clearly there is a huge shake up going on over there, which will hopefully bring positive change.

    Aprilia is no longer the company I subscribed to years ago and purchased 2 bikes from. After owning my '02 RSV I had no problems buying the Falco. Now, as I look at new models, both the form and function leave me wanting. Don't get me wrong, I can't use 80% of what my Falco can do, but still, that is not really the point is it (unless you are a cruiser company)?

    I do, however, applaud them for recalling ALL of the bikes in need of correction immediately, honestly. This is something more companies need to do.

    What does this really mean to me and others? Good deals on 04 - 07 Milles?

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