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    I have done some quick searching and I still can't find the answer.

    Soo.... I have a 2005 Factory with a full Akra system.

    ???The question... Is it better to run map 2 or leave map 1???
    I have read a few comments suggesting either, what is the expert view?

    I don't use my Ape for track days much at all (I have a GSXR for that), just a city bike. I would like to get the best performance though.

    Any suggestions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yondermeister88 View Post
    The question... Is it better to run map 2 or leave map 1???
    I have read a few comments suggesting either, what is the expert view?
    What

    Where did you hear or read that?
    Map-1 is only for stock mufflers, period.

    I know there has been some speculation about wanting to experiment with turning on the Lambda probe for Map-2 but is is pure speculation and completely invalid since none of us have any info on exactly what is going on in the ECU when we switch modes.

    Please, let's all just stick what we know is correct and not try to re-invent the wheel.
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    OK, OK. Map 2 it is.

    So I take there is no reason to run map 1 at all??...with aftermarket exhaust

    All this takes is a trip to the dealer, right? Or do I need to dyno it as well?

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    As long as your dealer correctly switches to Map-2 (simple to do but you'd be surprised) the bike will run great with the full Akra system.
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    RSV1000R in Peru

    hi everyone,
    i am about to activate a RSV1000R 2008 here in Peru. i am the Aprilia dealer here but we haven't really gotten a technical course from the factory. we have the axone and i have been using it to activate, remap, and correct the CO on a RXV550 bike. so i am used to the instrument. what i would like to know is what do you guys recommend that i do to the RSV. i don't have any aftermarket exhausts down here, but we don't have any emissions/noise controls either. can anything be done with the standard mufflers? air box? and also is there a better map that i can use. from what i have been reading here i understand that Map-2 can't be used with this mufflers.
    if there are mods to this bike that i can do please let me know, even if they are only for racing purposes. i would like to try them on the bike.

    thanks!!!!!!

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    should the CO adjustment be done when the engine is idling, or is there a RPM range that it shuold be done at?

    thanks again!!!

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    You can run Map-2 with stock mufflers as long as you open them up by removing the CAT converters and installing a perforated core with fiberglass packing (similar to a race muffler).
    Just don't go too big on the perforated core or it will run poorly.

    The RXV you're familiar has many maps, The old ones are not very good. They kept releasing new maps until they eventually got it right.

    The RSVR is not that way, the only maps available are what I've listed.

    Setting the CO with the AXONE is a bit difficult and does not always render the readings you'd expect.

    More important to balance the two throttles with the bleed screws so both are equal at idle.
    When finished balancing, one screw should be fully closed and the other open just enough to achieve balance.
    This is not the same as the old RSVR w/manual idle control.
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    thanks Amauri ,
    i,ve done the muffler conversions you talk about on dirtbikes but i wasn't sure of doing it to this bike because of the FI and mapping problem. i was worried that by changing hardware the bike might run poorly if i can't change/modify the map.
    about the CO, can you tell me how to set it right. i don't know if it should be set at idle or at a given RPM.
    i am waiting for my balancing tool so i can work on the throttle bodies.

    thanks again!!!!

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    To set the CO you need a password to access the advanced functions in the AXONE.
    It must be measured and set at idle speed, use a strong cooling fan to keep the motor cool while running.

    Trouble is that changing the CO violates emissions laws that governs street vehicle in many countries.
    If Aprilia told everyone that password, they risk loosing their certification to sell that bike on emissions regulated countries.

    This is why I can't post that password here on a public forum and it would be irresponsible for anyone else to do so.

    The Aprilia Tech Center in Costa Mesa has a Latin America support specialist, really nice guy.
    If you're a dealer, I'm sure you can call and ask him for that password.
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    i think i have the code, i have used a number password for the axone when i did the RXV. it is probably the same one.

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    Amauri,
    I have just had the second very short test drive (5km) with cored cans and on my way home just after a little wheelie, it started to go on one cylinder or safe mode(?) and EFI shoved up. Turned the ignition of and it began to run correct but then like into ignite on one cylinder again and EFI....No code appeared on the dash though. ignition of/on and very slow home. Normal idle at home...

    Could this be that the lambda struggle to regulate due to MAP1 and cored pipes?
    It was in fact sunny but just below 0 deg. C (dry roads). Could this be a condense problem? ice? For me I believe this must be a fuel problem or a electric related to injector...unless a map 1/cored cans issue.

    I will for sure use the original exhaust until i have map 2 activated (appointment with a dealer April 16th.) but I find it a little strange that it will malfunction...

    I think I have had it for a while...Any advice?
    mcjongs

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    Without first connecting the AXONE to read the error codes stored in memory, any advice would be just a guess, and that would just confuse the issue.
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    PLease check your oil level ,, and donīt ask me how i know
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcjongs View Post
    Amauri,
    I have just had the second very short test drive (5km) with cored cans and on my way home just after a little wheelie, it started to go on one cylinder or safe mode(?) and EFI shoved up. Turned the ignition of and it began to run correct but then like into ignite on one cylinder again and EFI....No code appeared on the dash though. ignition of/on and very slow home. Normal idle at home...

    Could this be that the lambda struggle to regulate due to MAP1 and cored pipes?
    It was in fact sunny but just below 0 deg. C (dry roads). Could this be a condense problem? ice? For me I believe this must be a fuel problem or a electric related to injector...unless a map 1/cored cans issue.

    I will for sure use the original exhaust until i have map 2 activated (appointment with a dealer April 16th.) but I find it a little strange that it will malfunction...

    I think I have had it for a while...Any advice?
    mcjongs
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    Quote Originally Posted by john in sweden View Post
    PLease check your oil level ,, and donīt ask me how i know
    best regards
    John
    Hi John

    The bike is new! and only ran 267km! The Oil is OK!

    I will put back the original exhaust or try it with the Akra slip on with noise killers in (close to same back pressure as originals?) and try it again, just waiting for the weather to be better. (-2 and snow today)
    I'm also thinking of one valve not sealing properly or burnt due to too lean mix but I will not think too much about it at the time being, it is hardly possible after such a short drive and with that cold ambient temp...

    Jon in Norway :-)

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    erased odometer? Can some one help?

    Aprox. A week and a half ago my 2004 rsvr's electrical system shorted out after diagnosing the problem I found that deustch or amphenol connector on the motor side of the voltage regulator (the three wire plug coming off the volt. Regulator)had gotten hot and two of the three wires had melted together inside the connector causing the short that resulted in the charging system not working. I cut the amphenol connector apart on both sides and spliced in a six wire 16 gauge trailer weather pack from tractor supply in to the three 14 gauge wires coming from the voltage regulator (two 16 gauge wires spliced into each one of the 14 gauge wires) and it worked out. Fixing the short allowing the charging system on the bike to work just fine again with no costly trips to the aprilia dealer and only one connector replaced, however after I repaired this problem another arose and this time I don't know what's going on some where along the way the odometer was erased so it showed zero mile on the bike until I rode it for the first time yesterday now it shows 20 miles now this is not a huge problem because I own the bike out right (no lean) I would like to understand what caused this and if it erased other info such as the Dealer installed map upgrade in the ECU. Also one other question is the voltage regulator supposed to get hot while the motorcycle is running or is this a sign of a bad voltage regulator? I do not know what caused the wires inside of the connector to get so hot that it melted those wires together I thought that maybe the regulator heating up had somthing to do with it this is the first time to my knowledge that this has happened I am the third owner of this bike I purchased it in 2005 with 750 Miles on it from the second owner it has approx. 9000 miles on the bike now to my knowledge unless the odometer had been erased before. Thanx for any lite that maybe shed on these subjects for me. Sean

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