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minxymears
05-13-2006, 03:19 PM
Righ as some of you may know, im struggling to sell my RS, so im wondering what you guys think, shall i just wait around a bit until someone wants it, orr... spend moeny that i was going to add to my sale funds to purchase an RS125 and instead go for a 70/80 setup with crank exhaust etc, plus patrick, what sort of speeds would i get with standard gearing, but a crank, decent bbk and exhaust?

And whats your guys opinions, modded RS50 soon, or wait around for a 125...

cheers

priller
05-13-2006, 05:15 PM
Buy a rs125, its better in every way. Bro had a rs50, dr 73.5cc, 21mm carb, jl exhaust. No where near the performance of a full power 125.

Steffman
05-13-2006, 05:24 PM
I would agree, a kitted 50 will probably end up at about the same power as a stock 125 (depending on settup). but, with a 125 it wuold be legal with that power, so if possible, don't risk it. plus if you don't care about the law, when you get tired of 11kw, a direstricted 125 is gonna be far faster then what you're ever likly to get with the RS50, even in the extremest of setups (okay, since patric will correct me on this i guess its possible, but its still alot easier with the RS125).

zEr0
05-13-2006, 06:27 PM
Get a RS125, that way you don't have the hassle of spending money on modding up a 50cc which will probably devalue it anyway trying to get it to go faster - if you want faster, go for the most cc you can legally get on.

Tybersk8er
05-13-2006, 11:30 PM
Even if you had a license would it be illegal for you guys to drive a moded 50/ 80?

Rejimbo
05-14-2006, 11:33 AM
no, at 17 you can mod the 50 a much as you want up to 14hp, but you technically have to tell the insurance companies

onone.
05-14-2006, 01:02 PM
get a rs125 soo much nicer in everyway than a rs50, have you advertised yours on biketrader its £16 for 2 weeks on the internet only i had about 5 calls in the second week and none in the first but the first person to call brought it for £1450 which was £49 less than the asking price

VickersUK
05-14-2006, 01:14 PM
You obviously have not ridden a 125 otherwise you would not have to ask this question, put it that way!

breaker963`
05-14-2006, 02:13 PM
yeah.... wait for the rs125....

edd
05-14-2006, 02:34 PM
get a 400 :)

RS_Patrick
05-14-2006, 03:31 PM
Ive driven RS125 and stock they dont keep up with a RS50 with a good setup, accel on the RS50 will be faster and the cornering will be faster, top speed of the RS125 will be faster than the RS50's thats all.

A setup like mine or a setup with a Polini 50mm are great and durable.
A Giannelli pipe is fast and has a nice sound but there a faster pipes out there like the Nardo or a Yasuni pipe but there designed for racing and a bit louder.
And than there are the 85cc Top Performances Nardo kits and the Simonini 90cc kits but i have not yet seen an 90cc exhaust for the RS50.

I got 2 AM6 engines here, the one under the bike now has been made "stock" again (9mm carb, 50cc gilardoni 2 that is slightly tuned up, 11t front sprocket, Giannelli E aproved exhaust)

The other its wish list is a 85cc TP kit, Nardo exhaust, 30mm Mikuni flatslide carb, Race gearbox, Barnett cluth, and a Inner Rotor ignition with light.

priller
05-14-2006, 03:45 PM
Ive driven RS125 and stock they dont keep up with a RS50 with a good setup, accel on the RS50 will be faster

Now ride a full power rs125. tuned rs50 wont keep up anywhere.

RS_Patrick
05-14-2006, 03:48 PM
Now ride a full power rs125.

I did, than its a bit faster yeah, but noth that much, again the main difrence is top speed, but you cant drive a de-restricted RS125 legaly wen your a starting driver.

Rejimbo
05-14-2006, 04:09 PM
I did, than its a bit faster yeah, but noth that much, again the main difrence is top speed, but you cant drive a de-restricted RS125 legaly wen your a starting driver.
we talking a full power rs125 at 28bhp against a modded rs50 with what, 8hp??

the rs125 is in an altogether different category when it comes to acelleration, the rs50 isnt a patch on it

priller
05-14-2006, 04:19 PM
we talking a full power rs125 at 28bhp against a modded rs50 with what, 8hp??

the rs125 is in an altogether different category when it comes to acelleration, the rs50 isnt a patch on it

Modded is probably around 12-14bhp, still got no chance of keeping up with a full power rs125 anywhere. Acceleration, top speed or handling.

RS_Patrick
05-14-2006, 05:09 PM
Modded is probably around 12-14bhp, still got no chance of keeping up with a full power rs125 anywhere. Acceleration, top speed or handling.

How about 20-25hp modded?
A stock RS50 already has 8hp in a unrestricted form as it is for italy.
Seen even more than 25hp on dyno graphs.

priller
05-14-2006, 05:18 PM
How about 20-25hp modded?

Alot of money spent on it & you've still got something slower, less practical & less reliable. To ride it legally you need to tell the dvla its no longer a 50cc, which makes it alot harder to sell & more expensive to insure.

but you cant drive a de-restricted RS125 legaly wen your a starting driver.
You cant ride a 20bhp rs50 as a leaner.

RS_Patrick
05-14-2006, 05:35 PM
I dont know how they check the Hp on the RS50 in the UK and im sure they dont expect 20hp on a moped

It doesnt cost that much money to get that kind of performance, a Polini 50mm aluminuim kit will do it and its pretty reliable still and they dont cost a fortune like a Malossi kit, a Red TP 49,5mm kit will get you really close to it also for less money, and than there still are the 85 and 90cc kits that are relativly cheap because they come complete with a special crankshaft.
:burnout:

Its worth looking into if you already got a RS50 and are thinking about or upgrading to RS50 or upgrading to a bigger bike.

Here the RS50 becomes ilegal no mater what your age is or what drivers licence you got if it can do more than 30mph
:(

priller
05-14-2006, 05:43 PM
I dont know how they check the Hp on the RS50 in the UK and im sure they dont expect 20hp on a moped

Dyno, in one area they were checking 50's and 125's. A few people have fitted switches to rs125 to restrict them if your stopped.

It doesnt cost that much money to get that kind of performance
How much is not much? brothers cost near £400 & thats without changing the crank + the labour if you cant rebuild the bottom end yourself.

Here the RS50 becomes ilegal no mater what your age is or what drivers licence you got if it can do more than 30mph
Thats what I dont get, why do people spend the money making them quicker when they can have them impounded & be finned when its easier to buy something you can ride legally? Reading other posts it sounds like checking the power is common there. Is it harder to get a license for a bigger bike?

I've got nothing against spending money tunning a bike, I've spent enough on mine. In this case I dont think tunning a 50 is the best option.

RS_Patrick
05-14-2006, 06:10 PM
You can get a motorcycle drivers licence here at 18 but it will set you back 2000 euro's easy and than you still only can drive bikes limited to 30hp untill you got a few years experiance or are 24 years or older.
From 2007 on 16 year old need to get a reall drivers licence here for Mopeds to...

And a RS50 is just a fun little bike to drive, i had a lot of bikes, 50, 80, 125, 250 and 400cc but still like the RS50 best for in and around town here.
Even now its restricted a bit its still a lot of fun to drive just on the long straights its :tired:

Did't lnow they dyno tested mopeds and scooters in the uk to, here they use mobile dyno rollers thay put in the back of a van and than they set it up somewere were a lot of school kids with scooters drive by, so mostly infront of a school or nearby and they just pick the kids up wen they try to leave school.

Ärräksä
05-15-2006, 05:29 AM
Pics or videos about these 25 hp dynoed RS:s would be nice. I've never seen more than 22hp on an AM6. RpR's pro race rs would only give about 20 hp... Well I think it can be done with serious modifieing. Don't believe in the durability tho.

IMHO I don't get this complaining about "don't tune RS50, buy a bigger one!" or "why the fuck do you drive a 50 at that age?" Can't a man drive what he wants and pleases? Also tuning these little beasts is heck of a joy.

RiejuR51
05-16-2006, 02:41 AM
Its not what you ride! its the way you ride it!