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Ed / AF1 Racing
12-20-2018, 04:24 PM
some good articles on this new brand to the US. As soon as some state paperwork is done, we will be the official Austin SWM dealer, first in Texas.

US importer
https://www.motomandistributing.com/swm

USA models
https://www.motomandistributing.com/swm-models

Italian factory site
https://www.swm-motorcycles.it/en/

very good article explaining the resurrection of the brand name, the big Husqvarna tie-in, and even some ex-Aprilia engineers involved
https://www.motorcycle.com/features/swm-motorcycles-the-italian-oem-you-dont-yet-know.html

We think the Superdual series will be a big hit, along with the 500 Supermoto.

The prices should give KTM and the new Husky some worry.

RS300 R Retail $7495
RS500 R Retail $7795
SM 500R $8495
650 Superdual T $8995
650 Superdual X $8995

riot
12-20-2018, 05:17 PM
If I am not mistaken, these guys used to be Husqvarna, before the band sale to BMW, and finally KTM.

Can you comment on the differences between the new 500s and the old 510s? I nearly bought the 450SMR, but ended up with the SXV550 instead.

Ed / AF1 Racing
12-20-2018, 05:43 PM
very, very similar. Same frames, New EFI, new KYB suspension, and some engine updates....trying to find the specifics again, saw them before, but cant find them. Valvetrain updates I think. Same factory but BMW nicely updated the whole thing before they bailed. Lots of the same engineers too.

many old Husky owners, the pre-BMW ones, can use a great deal of SWM parts. The modern Husky is just a white painted KTM.

the lead guy for the SXV is now a 10% owner in SWM

this article explains a bunch
https://www.motorcycle.com/features/swm-motorcycles-the-italian-oem-you-dont-yet-know.html

Ed / AF1 Racing
12-20-2018, 06:10 PM
found this....lots of older Husky owners want SWM parts. many are the same, but if it gets a letter in front of it, SWM changed it up.

Ed / AF1 Racing
12-20-2018, 10:43 PM
Superdual 650 review

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/first-rides-tests/2017/june/swm-superdual-review/

Rvee
12-20-2018, 10:50 PM
Wow,interesting. Great to see a sub 10k supermoto being offered in the states from someone... a bit heavy compared to something like the FS450 but I wonder if it could drop significant lbs going through a race build.

photoRotor
12-21-2018, 08:39 AM
Very interesting..... I've been strongly considering an adventure bike.

Ed / AF1 Racing
12-21-2018, 11:31 AM
another good background story

https://www.cycleworld.com/2015/07/14/swm-rs650r-first-look-enduro-motorcycle-review-photos#page-10

pete roper
12-26-2018, 05:55 PM
I'm looking very seriously at a Superdual. While I love my Stelvio to bits the fact is that it's a big, heavy, pig of a thing and I'm not getting any younger or stronger.

Despite my 40 year association with the brand Guzzi have lost me with the V85. Maybe in a few years if they Hi-Cam and 8 valve it my interest will be rekindled but for now? Nah. The SWM looks pretty much ideal for what I'd want. It doesn't have to be the best and greatest, just competent and reliable. Anyone know if Ascerbis or anyone do a long range tank for them yet? I'm hoping to do a lap of Oz next year and a Superdual with a comfy seat and a bigger tank might be just the ticket.

Pete

421switch
12-31-2018, 03:19 PM
These bikes are just what the motorcycle industry needs. Well built, with good components, good performance and a great price. Motorcycle evolution is slowly killing itself. In the race to have the latest and greatest the primary reason to ride (the smile factor) gets lost. I hope they do well and will be in the market for one in the future.

pete roper
12-31-2018, 06:00 PM
I rode an AJP PR7 yesterday, nice machine but probably more 'Focused' than a fat old fart like me needs. Nice motor, pulls monster wheelies! :D even with a fat old git like me on board! Seat was an abomination but given its design brief I don't suppose you're expected to be sitting down a lot on the AJP!

The SWM which uses the same motor is supposed to be in a slightly lower state of tune, I'd guess that would be purely mapping adjustments as both machines use the same motor I think. Given the sort of use I'm liable to put the bike to I'm thinking maybe the T rather than the X model might suit my needs better?

Gotta ride them both I suppose then make a decision. Over here the AJP is about $3-4K more than the SWM.

Pete

jrflanne
01-01-2019, 01:52 AM
I rode a Duke II for a while. The Supermoto would be a riot second bike. Especially killing it around Houston. The streets here can be huge fun. Might suck in a cage, but the Duke was epic fun. They should drop the 600 motor in.

If the vibes are't totally fucked, the SuperDualT could be fun.

jrflanne
01-01-2019, 02:03 AM
Superdual 650 review

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/first-rides-tests/2017/june/swm-superdual-review/
Damn, that is a nice looking bike!

pete roper
01-01-2019, 03:36 AM
Jack, I think they have a really good platform and the price point is great! There will no doubt be people who will complain they don't have Ohlins, 20 more HP. They'll also expect to only pay tuppence!

These people need taking out the back for a good kicking! :D

Pete

pete roper
02-14-2019, 05:23 AM
Went to my 'Local' dealer today, he's about 65km away in Yass, (NSW, Oz). Despite running my own workshop for the last 20 years or so in Bungendore I'd never met the man!

Anyway, a decent and knowledgeable bloke with no BS apparent. He had a variety of models there but I was mainly interested in the more 'Soft Core' Superdual T. For those young enough to still want to do serious bush-bashing the X model will probably appeal more but I'm 63 next week and suffer from 'Duck's Disease'.

My impressions were very favourable, I haven't ridden one yet but it felt a lot more 'Manageable' for a fat old fart like me than the AJP I rode in Queanbeyan a couple of weeks ago, (Don't get me wrong, the AJP was awesome but far more bike than I need and several grand more expensive!).

I'm in no hurry, it'll be a few months before this comes to fruition but I'm pretty certain I'll be buying one to replace my Stelvio 1400. My Griso? You'll prize that from my cold, dead hands but for back road jaunts and outback touring the SWM looks the 'Biz'. Pending an actual test ride but I tend to feel that test rides only show if there is some huge, immediately, glaring fault. Right now everything I've seen means I'll be prying open my wallet! As a lifetime 'Guzzi Guy' you have to understand that is close to impossible! We can peel and eat an orange without taking our hands out of our pockets! :D

Pete

Micah / AF1 Racing
02-14-2019, 08:41 AM
I am VERY pleased with all the SWM bikes we have gotten and I have worked on to date. The ecu in the bike is an Athena Maya system, actually a very good electronics platform and the self learning aspect even using not imho a full wide band lambda is impressive. On the dyno without beating new motor just letting it learn all possible load and speed data I could after going to Arrow full system and replacement of effected air filter cover and re mapping the basics for the pipe, the before dyno/learning and after parking lot rides we’re insanely different. Still learning them but I can say with certainty there is more power in the potential but on my very conservative dyno with nothing more than a pipe and a reflash and some learn time, just short of 50 bhp, might have gone over but I didn’t take to redline or rev limit on a new-ish motor.

The motor with efi ecu needs to be ridden as though the efi is a flatslide carb. At say 3k rpm you get power at 25% throttle than WFO, this is true of all non RBW throttle bodies, just a bit of technical into to make your ride better. Honestly the SM510 and the NoX were me favorite supermotos of all time, these are the same bikes, minus some trickness of the NOX. They are impressive to me and I’m a 4T single hater more than lover. I honestly cannot wait to build a supermono and this engine looks quite promising.

pete roper
02-14-2019, 04:15 PM
I was going to ask you if the ECU was accessible as building a decent OL map for it would be something I'd like to try and do.

Biggest issue with the standard exhaust system for me would be weight! I'm not particularly interested in increasing outright performance or top speed as that's not what I'm after in a bike like this. Tractability, economy and weight reduction would be my primary aims. I'll be sure to listen carefully to any advice you can give.

So is there an interface that allows you to download and upload maps and modify them using Tunerpro or the like?

Pete

Micah / AF1 Racing
02-14-2019, 04:28 PM
Read up on Athena Maya Pete, they sell it as a stand alone for lots of single cylinder machines...it’s weird but working well so far

pete roper
02-14-2019, 06:36 PM
Thanks. Will do.

Pete

kevinb
05-05-2019, 05:08 PM
Delighted to see that a) AF1 is carrying this brand and b) there may be an online forum here for it! I'm seriously thinking about getting a motorcycle again, and the SWM really caught my eye: the right size, the right price, and cool to boot. When I last had a motorcycle (an RSV-R), I found this to be a really nice community. When cycling took over, time and $$-wise and all, and I sold the Aprilia, I never found a cycling forum that was as good and I started to miss this place almost as much as I missed motorcycles.

All I really want is something for working the local bicycle races again (lead/pace or following official), maybe some occasional commutes or leisurely rides around the backroads. Having bought a house in the suburbs now, it won't be an hour-long ordeal to get out the door and onto decent roads like it was when I lived downtown. No real interest in doing track days or having a big, fast bike again. I'd kinda been thinking along the lines of a V7, thinking maybe I could get one used for a good price, but they seem to be holding their value (or their owners' interest) too well to show up as bargains anywhere. Then I got to thinking a dual sport might be nice. A buddy wants to get dirt bikes - I think he thought there were trails to ride around here in northern NJ, but there aren't, so I don't think we'll be doing much, if any of that. However, when I had a DR650 (briefly), I almost enjoyed riding it on crappy roads, and that we DO have a lot of around here. :rolleyes: ;)

I didn't think I had the budget for a new bike, but I'll be seeing if one of these SWM could be in my future - definitely glad to see them represented here!

Hellgate
05-05-2019, 08:33 PM
Agreed, the bike forums bite, except for Paceline. I'd think something like the new V85 would be a good pace bike. I've lead road races in a Passat Wagon, a 911, an E500. I like AC and being comfortable for 3 hours.

kevinb
05-06-2019, 05:09 AM
Agreed, the bike forums bite, except for Paceline. I'd think something like the new V85 would be a good pace bike. I've lead road races in a Passat Wagon, a 911, an E500. I like AC and being comfortable for 3 hours.

I've only worked club races and local series in Prospect and Central Park, and it's always only motos, and at the crack of dawn, so really never needed a/c. Heat is another matter! Late in the season it's nice, maybe a little warm by the end, because they're always so early and we have to clear out before it gets busy, but early in the season it's FREEZING. Oh, wait - I remember one race - Skyscraper Classic crits. That's Fathers' day, all day. Yeah, it was hot that day, but still, no cars.
If I were to work a race or event with 4 wheels, it would be as SAG with my little Transit Connect cargo van. ;)

Yeah, the V85 would probably be pretty good - and it's not too big, really, but I'm looking for something that's just big enough, and no more. The nearest SWM dealers are an hour and a half away (one down toward the other end of the state, one out on Long Island). Hate wasting half a day just driving, but I may make the trip if I can get a test ride on the 300. The SM probably makes more sense, though, since I don't know if I'll ever get to the dirt. I suppose I could just change the tires...

Tdawg
05-06-2019, 09:29 AM
For bicycle races I’d think a well setup Aprilia Mana would work well.

On SWM, i’d Be into the superduals


https://youtu.be/_6cHsTCLhLc

Ed / AF1 Racing
05-06-2019, 12:14 PM
depending on distance...an electric would be really cool too.

So smooth---no gears, no clutch, no noise, no smell.

kevinb
05-07-2019, 04:44 AM
depending on distance...an electric would be really cool too.

So smooth---no gears, no clutch, no noise, no smell.

For general purpose support and following, sure. But for lead/pace motos (which is the first thing they get used for at the local races I've worked), quiet is not so ideal. You want to get people's attention so they know the race is about to come by. Last thing you want is people sauntering across the road when a peloton is about to come barreling through - generally speaking you can't really hear them coming, and even if you do, they don't sound threatening. Loud pipes don't necessarily save lives, but they can save clavicles. ;)

It seemed an unlikely choice, but I used to use the RSV with Mivv pipes for pacing all the time, and it was great.
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Yikes - that was SEVEN YEARS AGO!

pete roper
05-07-2019, 07:00 AM
Sorry? You're using the public road and inconveniencing the general populace and then feel that you should be able to excuse your inconsideration by being a noisy moron as well.

OK.

I have no problem with push-bikes, really, none. But as a recipient of both cycling idiocy and noise from cretins with exceptionally and unnecessary IC vehicles I suggest you pull yer neck in! If you want to run a 'Peleton' do it on a suitable bit of road. Not somewhere where it will inconvenience large numbers of people. If you obey ordinary road courtesy, never mind road rules, I can't see why an escort vehicle is needed at all?

jrflanne
05-07-2019, 10:14 AM
Because it's a Road race? By our logic the IoM should never be run.

Hellgate
05-07-2019, 02:00 PM
Sorry? You're using the public road and inconveniencing the general populace and then feel that you should be able to excuse your inconsideration by being a noisy moron as well.

OK.

I have no problem with push-bikes, really, none. But as a recipient of both cycling idiocy and noise from cretins with exceptionally and unnecessary IC vehicles I suggest you pull yer neck in! If you want to run a 'Peleton' do it on a suitable bit of road. Not somewhere where it will inconvenience large numbers of people. If you obey ordinary road courtesy, never mind road rules, I can't see why an escort vehicle is needed at all?Races, on public roads, pull a permit and typically have to have x amount of police. Most, many true roadraces are in BFE. Lead vehicles are there to help ensure the clueless public isn't walking out in front of the group. The lead vehicle also denotes what group is which. Often times more than one class is on the course at the same time Mr. Grumpy..m

pete roper
05-07-2019, 04:56 PM
Seems to be a bit different here. There seems to be a sense of self righteous entitlement with a lot of groups of cyclists who will set out and seemingly deliberately choose to ride routes that inconvenience other road users. Quite often they'll have an escort vehicle blocking one or more lanes to allow them free passage.

These aren't competitive events or charity rides, just dickheads out riding. I have no problem with their hobby, in fact it is commendable. It's their attitude that shits me. If you throw 'Noisy' into the mix as well it just increases my ire!

Perhaps I was a bit OTT. Sorry. Yes, I am a grumpy old bastard! :D

Hellgate
05-07-2019, 06:33 PM
They do sound a bit entitled.

kevinb
05-08-2019, 04:57 AM
Seems to be a bit different here. There seems to be a sense of self righteous entitlement with a lot of groups of cyclists who will set out and seemingly deliberately choose to ride routes that inconvenience other road users. Quite often they'll have an escort vehicle blocking one or more lanes to allow them free passage.

These aren't competitive events or charity rides, just dickheads out riding. I have no problem with their hobby, in fact it is commendable. It's their attitude that shits me. If you throw 'Noisy' into the mix as well it just increases my ire!

Perhaps I was a bit OTT. Sorry. Yes, I am a grumpy old bastard! :D

Yes, a bit OTT, but then again we all are - this is supposed to be about SWM motorcycles. ;) You didn't imagine that I was suggesting someone with a loud motorcycle escort a bunch of cyclists out for a Sunday social group ride, did you? That would be enough to drive anyone nuts! :lol:

Meanwhile, lets remember that cyclists and motorists have equal rights to travel on most roads - they're equally entitled in that respect. Unfortunately, they also each have their own ways of abusing their rights and annoying one another. ;)

jrflanne
05-08-2019, 09:22 AM
Kevin, you are so right.

JAndrewG
05-08-2019, 12:15 PM
I think that picture of you on your RSVR leading the pack is neat Kevin. Such a cool looking bike. Of course, I would think so. Yours was the same as mine. :)

John