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Zav
02-12-2013, 06:01 PM
So I got bored the other day of looking at my streetfighted aprilia rs50 MY06 so I decided to order some derbi gpr nude parts to make her look beautiful again :P it will be a long term project due to short on money and college crap and working on my other bike the monster of noise Suzuki rg125/180cc

specs it will have
derbi GPR nude side fairings
custom made by myself solo seat ( one of two which ever I don't sell )
twin exhausts ( maybe if I can get it to look good and work)
Tail tidy
Small custom front fairing
And a good ass clean

I will be getting everything to fit nicely then wait till the summer what's best time for paint jobs to be done to paint

Pics of what I'm starting with and Pics of parts got so far will be uploaded tomoz when I'm on the computer

Disco Biscuits
02-12-2013, 06:35 PM
Really liking the sound of this. I'm thinking of getting an rs 50 soon as a project so look forward to grabbing some idea. By twin exhaust are you meaning one on either side of swingarm. Or under the tail. I'm going to try and fabricate one to mount under the tail for steeze points. Either way I look forward to your work !

Zav
02-13-2013, 03:08 AM
It will be under the tail where my indicators are and my indicators will be in the bin
im not sure what end cans to use coz I have 3 stock end cans and 1 arrow so I might make a prototype with stocke then make it out of 2 arrow cans

Zav
02-13-2013, 04:56 AM
213915here is what im starting with a aprilia rs50 streetfighter all the work done so far has been by me she is ruuning a stock barrel and pistom with a 21 mm carb, full arrow race exhausthave had 71 mph on gps down a slight hill past my college read 76 on clocks
here is the gpr nude parts what i got today there bit banged up but bargin for 15 for both :P 213912
solo seat what is a work in progress seeing as i got her in 3 pieces 213914
solo seat fitted and all nicly working just needs more sanding and spraying might sell tho 213916here is my other project of the rg125 running like a king got her for 100 with no fairing or engine and now shes running a 180 cc barrel had 124 mph out of her on gps 213913

apriliamandan
02-13-2013, 09:38 AM
Lovely bikes! Im thinking about getting a 21mm carb for my RS, did you notice an improvement over stock carb?
That RG is nice. The Chrome spannie looks brill! ;) Its interesting seeing the differences between the rs50 and the rg125! The RS looks far more substantial (forks,wheels,frame etc)!

Zav
02-13-2013, 10:32 AM
I never rode the bike with a stock carb so I wouldn't know the difference sorry mate but it dose make it drink fuel as in I only get 70 mile per tank then I have to push lol

The rg is so much better in every way lol my rs will keep up with her till you hit the powerband in 2nd gear on the rg the it's gone and you all you see is loads of blue smoke and a ringing in your ears coz its so loud

The power between the two Isnt much the rs will just pull off in 2nd the rg will easily pull off in 4th

The powerband on the rs starts about 6500 revs all the way of the clocks and still keeps going so about 13000 revs ish
on the rg's ment to have a power value but the guy I got to bore the barrel said it won't need it coz it will just reduce its high end power and make it easier to ride so I decided no power value

Connering on the the rs is loads better with its loads wider tyres you must be mad to try cornering the rg past 60 mph with knee down

And the fun bits rs will just wheelie of the line in 1st and the rg will do it in 1 st 2 md and 3rd lol without standing on the rear pegs or pissing about with the Clutch

apriliamandan
02-13-2013, 11:17 AM
Sounds like fun! I think your next mod for the RS is a big bore kit mate! ;) Get a Athena 80cc powervalve kit....they must be mental! lol

Zav
02-13-2013, 12:46 PM
Nahhh I'm not keen on power values they just make them boring to ride lol

Zav
02-14-2013, 10:28 AM
does anyone jnow where i can get genuine aprilia and derbi parts but not ebay

chrism15
02-14-2013, 01:11 PM
nice RG, i have a RG too! ;) but mine is the 1993 FUN model, your is the GAMMA from what i can see. powervalves dont make the bike boring... it encourages scavenging at lower rpm giving you much more power low down (very noticable) but then they open/lift/move when the bike reaches its powerband to make the exhaust in full flow. so basically they just give more power low down which cant be a bad thing. the powervalve blades are different in your gamma than my fun model but same principle applys.

but since you have it to 180cc i can see how the powervalves could be a issue.

anyhow back on subject, looking forward to see how this turns out

genuine parts, i think AF1 Racing (the website) who sponsor this forum have genuine parts available.. but you will have to have a look. try PJME aswel because they have the odd genuine part on there.

Zav
02-14-2013, 01:42 PM
I'm looking for the black fairing pieces from a derbi GPR racing/nude Coz I know a shop that can supply them but it's a hour drive there then you don't even know they have them then I end up waiting for 1 month for it to come lol

Mines a 1989 modal game and all the parts are original except the piston and I do have all the power value coz I took it off I'm just not keen on them I like the no power then the kick of power at the power band lol

chrism15
02-14-2013, 01:54 PM
iv ran the bike with the powervalves (much better) and currently without which makes lower rpm a bit gutless but pulls like a train through the powerband. still very fast but requires a little more effort low down. (the reason i removed the powervalves permanently is because they were wearing out, and the price of powervalve blades for the FUN model are about 250!! which i cant justify spending money on. so i have had the sleeves welded up by a specialist alloy welding company who have done a nice job with a peice of aliuminum.

back on topic with the RS50, yeah i wouldnt travel that far if there is no garantee of condition or even if they have them. if you have or know someone with a ebay account then i would buy a set on there.. used but then sand and spray them along with the rest of the bike to whatever colour you like.

LukeRS
02-14-2013, 01:57 PM
Zav the white on the aprilia looks great, you going to make the other fairings that colour too? I've had a ride on a family friends RG125 (the 1993 model Chris!) and I have a small experience on bikes and loved it! I am looking forward to buying one of those solo seats from you!! I see quite a few parts on eBay. Looks like a great project so keep it all coming! Well look forward to hearing back from you

Zav
02-14-2013, 03:58 PM
I know the condition will be brand new coz it's a aprilia specialist it's just if I go all the way and find out they not got any and I have to wait a month for em then go pick em up again and I have a eBay account but I wasn't wanting new because all the bits I need on eBay come up to about 50 were as if I order them there about 25 lol

Funny you say that luke it use to be white lol till I had my crash and my fuel tank burst and ruined all the paint she's been red, blue, gold, orange, white and now silver and I'll prob spray all the other bits the same colour and keep the solo seat in white primer so I can sell it as soon as its done

Zav
02-14-2013, 04:14 PM
If anyone knows or see's cheap as in no more than 20 arrow end can can you let me know I dm which year or modal its for coz I will be converting it to fit mine

And if anyone see's any cheap front mudguards as some f***ker at college has hit mine with there sshit peds and broke it would be much appreciated

LukeRS
02-14-2013, 04:34 PM
Oh are you good a resprays? Just look on eBay. Seen one or 40?

Zav
02-14-2013, 04:35 PM
I get a guy who works next door to my dad at Darby to do em all for me it costs me 25 per piece unless it was the side fairings where it costed about 40

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BIG-BORE-70CC-BARREL-CYLINDER-KIT-for-APRILIA-RS50-RX50-SX50-SX-RS-RX-06-11y-50-/160960269763?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item2579facdc3
anygood??????

Zav
02-14-2013, 05:10 PM
I'm just wanted to get more speed lol coz my piston and barrel at the moment are coming close to 8,000 miles and due for a change because at the moment I'm running 14/52 and wanted to try something new to improve speed what would be good gearing to try coz I top out at 71 mph on gps and wanted more speed to go with the new look lol

LukeRS
02-14-2013, 05:21 PM
Not too sure. Have you upjetted the carb? Are you tucking when you hit max speed? Is your chain tight? Just little things like these can help speed reasonably

chrism15
02-14-2013, 05:24 PM
dont waste your time with any cylinder of ebay, even the stock 50cc ones (even though they are proberbly the safest option) because the quality is always shite, hence why so cheap. they loose compression real quick (from experience with supposed 50cc replacments stock) and although i did not check they proberbly have too much clearance between the cylinder and piston. the 70cc/80cc and in some cases claimed 90cc kits are just stock ones bored up and painted pink. none are very powerfull or last very long.

if you really want more power then save up for quality parts and either save for a all out 70cc set up or spend money on the little things that matter like carbs/exhaust/sprockets and so on

apriliamandan
02-14-2013, 05:26 PM
Stickyparts 70cc kit is good and would enable you to gear up another tooth which would increase top speed. They're 95 off pedstop.

Zav
02-14-2013, 05:28 PM
Yeah I'm tucking head on tank ass on pillon seat andcarbs up jetted and chain is perfect tyre pressure checked once week

Has anyone ever ran on nitro meth I use to run a 2 stoke 80 cc motorcroos bike on it but forgot how I set it up

Zav
02-14-2013, 05:28 PM
I will see how much money I get in 2 weeks when I get paid

Zav
02-14-2013, 05:34 PM
Anyway back onto the aprilia rs50 nude setup I will be modding one of my old raidator covers tomoz so I can place my gpr nude parts on and take a few pics

What would be easiest way to cut the black plastic without melting it or f***king it up

chrism15
02-14-2013, 05:39 PM
patrick used to run nitro meth for a lil while^^he said it improved acceleration and made the bike a little more responsive.. he need to increase jet size a little bit for it to work properly. this was on the old type am6 engine though but same principle should apply.

Zav
02-14-2013, 05:43 PM
I would try it but knowing my luck I would melt the piston crank and everything else in the area lol

chrism15
02-14-2013, 05:53 PM
there a waste of money even to try, i went for a 50cc one to 'play it safe' and it lasted a month before the compression dropped off and needed a new kit. and a mate of mine with a 70cc one lost compression not long before.

if you want to try one then by all means try one... but at the end of the day you are fitting it for more power and those kits are crap quality.

why not buy a decent 50cc kit and do some work on the ports? toratora did some interesting work with a airsal kit although i cant remember if it was 50cc or a light 70cc

Zav
02-14-2013, 06:01 PM
Okay thanks mate I will look into them when I get some more money after spending it all on the gamma and while Im on about the rg125 what jets do you have as I have been playing with mine coz I'm missfireing at 5,000 revs and was wondering what jets you have I'm running 200 atm

RS_Roadrage
02-15-2013, 03:29 AM
I would try it but knowing my luck I would melt the piston crank and everything else in the area lol
I think they run even cooler with nitro meth and you need a very large jet compared to standard

Zav
02-15-2013, 04:38 AM
I have seen some of the damage I have done with nitro meth to a 30 cc car and it was screwed so I going of that idea lol

apriliamandan
02-15-2013, 06:36 AM
I have seen some of the damage I have done with nitro meth to a 30 cc car and it was screwed so I going of that idea lol

30cc car?????

Nitro Meth runs cooler, i run it in nitro 1/8 scale rc cars. The engines run far cooler with 25% than 16%.

If im honest, I would not run meth on a road bike...it would be SERIOUSLY EXPENSIVE!

Zav
02-15-2013, 07:11 AM
Yeah I have a custom made nitro car running a 30 cc engine running nitro meth and I have been looking into it and your right it would be way too much

Zav
02-15-2013, 07:19 AM
heres few pics of one side fairing on just held in place with 3 screws and a piece of tap just so i can get the feel of her

and it looks like i will be needing a new raiator cover and 2 black pieces under the tank as i cant modifly them coz theres way too much of a differance to just try fix 214044214045

apriliamandan
02-15-2013, 07:25 AM
That will look nice silver!

Zav
02-15-2013, 07:33 AM
I'm trying to think of a colour scream lol coz ATM I have 4 different colours on the bike orange silver black and white lol

apriliamandan
02-15-2013, 07:40 AM
Black or silver would look the best imo!

Zav
02-15-2013, 07:46 AM
I was thinking that and painting the engine, cradle, swingarm, front forks and maybe the frame if It don't come out how I want after I finish polishing it

apriliamandan
02-15-2013, 07:59 AM
Take a look at mine in the members gallery last page, I have polished the forks and various other bits on it. Stands out against the black frame.

Zav
02-15-2013, 08:44 AM
It really suits your bike but I'm not wanting too much polished bits on mine but I was thinking gold like my renthal bars on forks then polished yokes

apriliamandan
02-15-2013, 08:51 AM
It really suits your bike but I'm not wanting too much polished bits on mine but I was thinking gold like my renthal bars on forks then polished yokes

Cheers. Yeah Gold and Polished Alloy always looks ace together.

Zav
02-15-2013, 09:19 AM
I have been looking at getting a 24 mm carb but I dunno if it will work

apriliamandan
02-15-2013, 10:07 AM
I have been looking at getting a 24 mm carb but I dunno if it will work

For a stock piston and barrel the largest you want is a 19mm carb as the the stock porting will not be able to cope with 21 or larger (from what I have read).

Polini 19.5 carbs are very good so I hear.

Zav
02-15-2013, 10:45 AM
Well I have a 21 mm atm and it runs like a babe and I have stock barrel and piston with no porting

apriliamandan
02-15-2013, 11:00 AM
Well I have a 21 mm atm and it runs like a babe and I have stock barrel and piston with no porting

You might find that a slightly smaller carb would give you a lot more low down to mid range power.

Zav
02-15-2013, 11:05 AM
I have rode my mates derbi gor racing same modal as mine and it's all stock and just derestricted with arrow exhaust same as mine and hes got stock carb and mines loads better there's just no go at all on his and it tops out at 58 where as mine keeps going

apriliamandan
02-15-2013, 11:09 AM
I have rode my mates derbi gor racing same modal as mine and it's all stock and just derestricted with arrow exhaust same as mine and hes got stock carb and mines loads better there's just no go at all on his and it tops out at 58 where as mine keeps going

That could be down to a number of things though. A larger carb will increase high end power, but reduce low down/mid range. So my advise is to stay with a 21mm if thats what works for you. Once you have a ported kit on it, then a 24mm might be a consideration.

Zav
02-15-2013, 11:11 AM
I will look into them what the next up from 24 mm

apriliamandan
02-15-2013, 11:26 AM
I will look into them what the next up from 24 mm

30mm Polini flat slide but thats pretty huge, you'd want to be running atleast 70cc's to use that monster!

chrism15
02-15-2013, 12:03 PM
I think they run even cooler with nitro meth and you need a very large jet compared to standard

:plus:

LukeRS
02-15-2013, 12:39 PM
Zav, it might look Chavy if done wrong but if you do it right i Believe a black frame swing arm and fairing set with gold wheels gold heel guards good break calipers and levers and all the other extra bits would look really great!

Zav
02-15-2013, 12:56 PM
I think I have one of them on my gamma if I have I might fit and see how it runs

And I won't be changing the wheels colours coz they cost me a bit to get the silver I have and I just had the fairing done so that won't be Changing but I do like the black might do a black and silver all over what ya think

Zav
02-15-2013, 01:02 PM
Anyone ever tried http://www.adrenalin-pedstop.co.uk/p-Metrakit_MK_50cc_cylinder_kit_for_Derbi_D50B0_engi nes-4826.aspx

Zav
02-15-2013, 01:10 PM
Or this http://www.adrenalin-pedstop.co.uk/p/Polini_80cc_cylinder_kit_for_Derbi_Senda_Gilera_RC R-1771.aspx

What would I need to add to this

apriliamandan
02-15-2013, 01:12 PM
Take a look at the airsal sport 50 kit, its great! Much more power

Zav
02-15-2013, 01:15 PM
I'm wanting to go bigger than a 50 due to me not being able to ride my 125 legally yet due to shitty insurance I want to keep my rs on road but want a bit more grunt coz as soon as this engine blows I wanna just plop in my other engine what atm has no top end

apriliamandan
02-15-2013, 01:46 PM
I'm wanting to go bigger than a 50 due to me not being able to ride my 125 legally yet due to shitty insurance I want to keep my rs on road but want a bit more grunt coz as soon as this engine blows I wanna just plop in my other engine what atm has no top end

Thats fair enough. This is a very good reliable kit. http://www.adrenalin-pedstop.co.uk/p-Minarelli_AM6_70cc_cylinder_kit_for_Aprilia_RS_50_ etc-5812.aspx

Zav
02-15-2013, 02:02 PM
wrong engine mate

chrism15
02-15-2013, 02:45 PM
zav, how serious are you about upgrading to 80cc? it does have its benefits but comes at a price, you want to keep it reliable right?

this is what I would upgrade, there is plenty of different veiws as to wether the race/heavy duty crankshaft is neccesary but personally i wouldnt risk without one for anything more than a light 70cc kit. at the very very least i would fit heavy duty crank bearings but i still know i would go for a race crank to be safe (and again it would be a quality one, not one from ebay!! i remember PJME making it known about a supposed race crank on ebay for the RS125 which a few people bought... apperently it was something to do with the manufactures using nylon to reinforce the bearings but the nylon failed quickly with a warm engine causing catastrophic damage)

iv always been a fan of the Doppler ER1 crankshaft which is said to safely handle up to 18000rpm, not sure if they have them available for the D50BO engine but they are quiete popular amongst am6 boys.

again i am saying that there are plenty of different veiws as to wether it is absolutly neccesary to use a race crank but personally i wouldnt risk it with a 80cc kit. although i would with a light 70cc kit.

so heres the list as to what I would upgrade to keep it as a reliable, fast set up

race crank
stiffer clutch springs
bigger carb
stiffer reed petals
suitable exhaust for 70cc-80cc
go up a tooth or two on the front sprocket to prevent the bike over revving in top gear due to the increase in power, plus means more top speed!

apriliamandan
02-15-2013, 03:30 PM
What Chris said is everything you need to know. Make sure the kit is twin ringed and cast iron if you want it to be reasonably reliable.
However, a full high end set up will cost alot of money (350-400). Personally I would look into a Mild 70cc kit which would enable you to gear up a tooth or 2.

Zav
02-15-2013, 05:04 PM
http://www.adrenalin-pedstop.co.uk/p/Derbi_D50B0_Endurance_crankshaft_from_Doppler__Se nda_RSRX_etc-2980.aspx well i have this in my spare engine what hasnt got a top end what i will be replacing with mine atm when it blows up so would thia crank be suitable

chrism15
02-15-2013, 05:22 PM
:plus: on a twin ring kit, if for road use

that crank would be spot on, as i say.. people have different veiws as to wether the crank is neccesary but personally if it was me then for a light 70cc set up id be happy with the stock crank but with anything a bit stronger like a 80cc kit i wouldnt risk it and go for a crank.

Polini are known for making decent performance kits though.

its up to you at the end of the day, your bike :burnout:

apriliamandan
02-15-2013, 05:52 PM
Cant go wrong with a Polini kit. With a 70cc kit I would not change the crank if it is a low mileage one. With 80cc I would if money was there.
The reason being, if it snaps in a big way it could distort the cases and create a real mess...ending up costing more than a crank!

chrism15
02-15-2013, 05:54 PM
its not so much the cases you need to be worried about if the crank snaps or even if the conrod part snaps, it is often that the top end gets chewed up with call the filings going around also.

Zav
02-16-2013, 06:51 AM
Well I have 2 engines both got same crank one is close to 16,000 miles with 8,000 on the top end and the other is brand new never even started with no top end

apriliamandan
02-16-2013, 10:17 AM
A good compromise would be to fit heavy duty crank bearings

Zav
02-16-2013, 01:43 PM
How much and where to buy

apriliamandan
02-17-2013, 10:46 AM
How much and where to buy

check pedstop mate.

Zav
02-17-2013, 04:25 PM
Well I have good news and bad ill start witht he good I have the money for the 80 cc bbk I want just waiting for it to be in stock but bad news got pulled over today on way to matlock with 5 mats for doing 72 mph in a 70 mph lucky copper let me off coz I promised I not do it again and coz he made a fool outta me infront of my mates but I was shitting it ahaaa

Zav
02-18-2013, 06:21 AM
Dose anyone know if or where I can get a 15 or 16 tooth front sprockets

LukeRS
02-18-2013, 10:17 AM
I think eBay or adrenaline-pedstop would be best

Zav
02-18-2013, 12:53 PM
I've been looking on there and all I can find is 14 and been sanding all day on my solo at she's looking cracking just got to go over with 1000 grit then 2500 grit and it will be sprayed and most prob sold

LukeRS
02-18-2013, 02:20 PM
I still would love it if you could make me one Zav!

Zav
02-18-2013, 03:19 PM
if i sell this one you'll be the first to know and if i dont sell this ill make anuther once this is done and sell it too you

LukeRS
02-18-2013, 03:28 PM
Alright that would be great. How much would you be after?

Zav
02-19-2013, 09:21 AM
i wil be looking for about 70 seeing as i have spent so much time and money on it to get it to the state it is now

news on the exhuast system i have got all the pipe work to make the exhaust just need 2 end cans and itll be done but for now i have fitted a tiny end can on my rs what sits under the frotn seat and is as loud as hell lol

Zav
02-19-2013, 01:25 PM
The rear cowl is 99% done and as of tomoz will be just needs some primer on then all done

LukeRS
02-20-2013, 09:54 AM
Alright. Maybe some pictures for the thread?:D

Zav
02-20-2013, 01:06 PM
Ill post em tomoz mate as my laptops in bits like the bike lol

Zav
02-20-2013, 01:16 PM
Ill post em tomoz mate as my laptops in bits like the bike lol

Zav
02-22-2013, 06:15 AM
the solo seat is all done i am going to end up keeping this one seeing as it went wrong on me fixing the light area and not good enough to sell but will make another 214619painted in matt black looks lovely and smooth 214620214621had a laugh with a small exhaust i didnt start it due to my piston looking like this ahaaa 214622 both piston rings are gone and cranks fine still working lovely so will get a temp kit to keep her running so can go work

LukeRS
02-22-2013, 03:21 PM
Looks perfect! As soon as you have one to sell I will be very happy to buy one!

Zav
02-23-2013, 05:59 AM
Just need to find one for sale now lol and I have ordered all the parts I need there gonna be 4 to 5 weeks to come from Italy and Spain best bit is there is only 4 pieces but come up too 20 were as if I used eBay would of been 50

Zav
02-24-2013, 11:18 AM
I have been looking at get 2 universal 2 stoke end cans at 15 each do you think if I fitted them they would work better

apriliamandan
02-24-2013, 11:25 AM
I have been looking at get 2 universal 2 stoke end cans at 15 each do you think if I fitted them they would work better

Work better? No, use the end can that goes with the system.

Zav
02-24-2013, 11:34 AM
There isn't a system for what I'm making lol I'm making a twin underseat exhaust at the moment I have a full arrow exhaust with arrow end can but I'm thinking if I keep the expansion chamber and add the twin end cans it should work due to the universal end cans being the same as the arrow can except the ends what I can cut down

LukeRS
02-24-2013, 04:36 PM
Zav, like your's but i will use the 2x the original exhausts. They're cheap but also they're tailored for the bike. just an idea.

Zav
02-24-2013, 05:21 PM
When I get home tomoz ill take some pics of the problems of using them I'm just at matlock with the gf on bikes atm so will carry on tomoz

apriliamandan
02-24-2013, 05:42 PM
Its stupid...its a single 50cc 2 stroker....people will laugh at it if they know anything about engines. You will make it slower, heavier and look horrid.

Zav
02-24-2013, 05:59 PM
Well everyone I see atm seems to think its a 125 or 250 and have you seen the look of my bike atm it don't look anything like a rs50 so no one knows what it is

apriliamandan
02-24-2013, 06:05 PM
Well everyone I see atm seems to think its a 125 or 250 and have you seen the look of my bike atm it don't look anything like a rs50 so no one knows what it is

Looks like an rs50 without fairings to me (nice though dont get me wrong). Twin end cans will look silly and ruin performance, trust me. If you realised the impact even an end can has on a 2 stroke then you'd leave well along. Research into it a little more mate.

Zav
02-24-2013, 06:14 PM
Ell I have 3 diffrent end cans stock, arrow and a rg125 and the stock is same as arrow execpt louder and the rg125 just makes it super loud

Zav
02-24-2013, 06:19 PM
And thanks for saying it looks good so dose yours a lot better than mine I must add but I'm going for unqiueness because I have my rg125 for speed and a lot of it so I'm going for bizza and cool with the rs50 and I haven't seen a rs50 with renthal bars derbi gpr side fairings twin dominator headlights that work lovely btw and a solo seat unlike any other solo seat for the my06

RocketDan
02-24-2013, 06:58 PM
Nice looking little bike

Zav
02-25-2013, 10:02 AM
thanks

chrism15
02-25-2013, 01:25 PM
looks nice mate, id like to see some pics when you have sorted a overall colour scheme out

Zav
02-25-2013, 01:39 PM
Well the colours are gonna be matt black and silver so side panels matt black seat matt black tank and mudguard silver then gonna do some messing about its engine and frame and forks when it come to summer because that will be when it's next full apart as I have had to use a spare bore and piston as I blew mine up last week but on summer it will be coming fully apart for a good as clean

Zav
02-26-2013, 01:25 PM
update on the exhaust done one exhaust and it was blowing like crazy due to my crappy welds so that went in bin due to it been made of wrong material and wrong shape and crap welds and i have now just got hold of 2 steel pipes at right size and i was thinking could i use the 4 holes where the rear pegs go to hold the exhaust in place and then fit the number plate below the exhausts and be held on by the exhausts i will upload pics when im done as i cannot bring it home from work and i do not take phones to work as i break them too fast

Zav
02-27-2013, 08:51 PM
The bike will be coming to bits again in next few weeks as I have found rust and loads of it so will be stripping her down to frame but keeping the writing loom and engine in and cleaning

Dose anyone know how I take the swing arm off as I have tried before and failed because that's where my 99% of the dirt is

Zav
03-05-2013, 12:35 PM
215696i wonder how i did that ahaahaaaaaaa

mattology
03-05-2013, 05:03 PM
too much timing!?

Zav
03-06-2013, 03:11 AM
Its on my gamma while my rs is in bits decided to try fix the gamma It seems to be the carb coz it has been jetted right so it's all nice and coffe brown but when it revs past 9,000 revs it gets lean and it's running a 280 jet as it is

apriliamandan
03-06-2013, 11:20 AM
Its on my gamma while my rs is in bits decided to try fix the gamma It seems to be the carb coz it has been jetted right so it's all nice and coffe brown but when it revs past 9,000 revs it gets lean and it's running a 280 jet as it is

Go up a few sized on the main jet. What are the symptoms of it running lean past 9k?

Zav
03-06-2013, 11:26 AM
Did plug chop of revving below 9k it was coffe brown did plug chop after going past 9k plug white and I can got any higher as if I do it stops revving at 6k

chrism15
03-06-2013, 12:34 PM
bet your crank bearings loved all the finer chunks of metal wizz around.

Pre-Detonation at its finest :eek:

a very lean mixture can play a big factor into issues like this as it causes hot spots on the piston crown

unlucky mate

Zav
03-06-2013, 12:47 PM
Have hat to take whole engine apart and it was everywhere cleaned with petrol and 2stroke oil mix and the crank is fine just had loads of small bits everywhere and same with barrel and head but guy who bored it outfor me is going to rebuild my crank just to make sure because we don't know when it was last done and got new piston on order at 30 gonna take 3 weeks :O

Happened in Sutton on way back from Matlock at 120 mph lucky my dad was riding at time as his gsx1400 is too nice for roads at the moment had to push it 25miles home took him ages

RS_Roadrage
03-06-2013, 05:18 PM
If thats the case pilot is probably too big and the needle position is incorrect, needle should the in the center fir jetting practice or one below center then when your close and a little bogging is felt lift it up on the needle, or you have a very long spark plug ;) hahaha

Zav
03-06-2013, 05:49 PM
At its on bottom one Ahaaa best thing is its only ment to have a 195 jet in it and that's way lean

RS_Roadrage
03-07-2013, 05:09 AM
That probably your problem, bottom clip is richer and top clip is leaner lift it up to center or one above center then try upjeting the main jet

Zav
03-09-2013, 06:49 PM
It's all sorted now it was missing a washer in the carb what went on the needle

Updates on the rs are not much at all except just ordered my self a custom led rear brake light to custom fit into one of my spare rear fairings

Parts from Spain are at shop just need to get day of work to drive over to get them

Twin exhausts are done just need to end cans so can finish the welds and clean it up it's going to be held in place by the rear pillion pegs what I will customise to hole the exhaust

I have been looking at bbks and I found 2 sticky parts 70cc kits ones 95 and ones 120 the 120s ported and I was thinking which would be the better option for reliability

Heres the light I ordered http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UNIVERSAL-REAR-BRAKE-LED-LIGHT-HONDA-BIKE-SUZUKI-QUAD-YAMAHA-CUSTOM-TRIKE-/281022611899?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item416e40c1bb
100% road legal ;P Ahaa will post pics once I'm home again

apriliamandan
03-10-2013, 10:48 AM
I have been looking at bbks and I found 2 sticky parts 70cc kits ones 95 and ones 120 the 120s ported and I was thinking which would be the better option for reliability

Heres the light I ordered http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UNIVERSAL-REAR-BRAKE-LED-LIGHT-HONDA-BIKE-SUZUKI-QUAD-YAMAHA-CUSTOM-TRIKE-/281022611899?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item416e40c1bb
100% road legal ;P Ahaa will post pics once I'm home again


Both sticky parts kits are dramatically ported when compared to stock barrel layout. Both kits are very similar, just come from different suppliers. They both produce around 13+ bhp. Im sure 15bhp is achievable when coupled with the right expansion chamber and carb. Because they are relatively mild kits, a 21mm carb, 0.35 reeds, after market pipe and sitffer springs would be a good idea. Stock crank will be fine. I have a stickyparts kit (95) in the kitchen. The piston needed some tidying up and the ports needed a clean up. Nothing major. They look high quality.

Zav
03-10-2013, 11:51 AM
ill prob go fo the 120 as it seems to be the better one of the 2 and what about a 24 mm carb as i have a 21 mm and which exhaust will be best as i have a arrow race exhaust will that do and i have a race crank with the safty rating of 18k revs

apriliamandan
03-10-2013, 12:23 PM
ill prob go fo the 120 as it seems to be the better one of the 2 and what about a 24 mm carb as i have a 21 mm and which exhaust will be best as i have a arrow race exhaust will that do and i have a race crank with the safty rating of 18k revs


The 95 kit is my favourite. They both produce the same amount of power. One is more expensive than the other because they came from different suppliers. The 21mm carb will perform better than a 24mm i think. Bigger is not always better, you will get to a point where if you go any bigger you'll loose power. Arrow exhausts are good. The stickyparts kit will be very reliable, being cast iron and twin ringed piston. Also the ports aren't ridiculously huge so rings should last a while.

Zav
03-10-2013, 02:43 PM
Got in touch with adrenalin pedstop they have different porting and the 120 has more hp and is more reliable

I was also looking at getting a airsol 70 kit but it's single ring so I prob won't get it

apriliamandan
03-11-2013, 11:59 AM
Got in touch with adrenalin pedstop they have different porting and the 120 has more hp and is more reliable

I was also looking at getting a airsol 70 kit but it's single ring so I prob won't get it

I have also been in touch with Adrenalin pedstop Zav. They both produce around 13bhp. The port layout is very similar. As i said before the prices are different as they come from different suppliers.

Zav
03-11-2013, 02:27 PM
Oh well I haven't got the money now just spent it on a new rg125

Zav
03-11-2013, 07:08 PM
heres the new rg i brough runs like a dream but this is all i got for 100 except the exhaust thats of my other rg while its in bits 216082216083 my two other prijects while mines hit a brick wall till bits are imported should keep me going for bit

Zav
03-24-2013, 04:16 PM
so the rs is nearly back together just need the engine back from the engine specialist but thats gonna be agea sue to him slicing his arm up so ill be puttin my totaly stock engine in tomoz and ill be picking up the last of my bits tomoz so it will be havin the gpr parts fitted but i need a hand on colours i was thinking a harlequin colours as in green fram red wheels orange rear purple sides yellow mudgaurd and other bits and bobs other colours

Zav
03-25-2013, 04:55 AM
this is what im planning on doing but with gpr fairings and a green frame not blue and then black bits under tank coloured too 217183

apriliamandan
03-25-2013, 10:58 AM
Will stand out...

Zav
03-25-2013, 12:55 PM
thats what im hopping i just brought a new headlight and some super bright dimond head leds to make some indicators and something to go aeound the clocks

Zav
05-20-2013, 02:31 PM
It's finally got some clothes whoop whoop

After 3 months to get the parts from Spain and italy I have finally got my bike to look something like it should but by got is it fat Ahaa
http://s1334.photobucket.com/user/zav96/media/8627079F-980C-4163-B0A6-0233E07EBE30-4078-000002C013FF0052_zps11471999.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0
http://s1334.photobucket.com/user/zav96/media/EF99CE07-F187-4564-B08F-BA974F8D7FC8-4078-000002BECCBA1520_zpsc624cddb.jpg.html?sort=3&o=1
http://s1334.photobucket.com/user/zav96/media/B195BD71-1877-4EA2-8A3C-16A9D7D6C1ED-4078-000002BE95637376_zps1c892efb.jpg.html?sort=3&o=2

RS_Patrick
05-20-2013, 04:04 PM
Dude if you click the link you posted than to the right of the picture you see a few lines with codes, copy and paste the code thats behind IMG here so everyone sees your pictures here instead of having to click an external link like so:

http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w653/zav96/8627079F-980C-4163-B0A6-0233E07EBE30-4078-000002C013FF0052_zps11471999.jpg (http://s1334.photobucket.com/user/zav96/media/8627079F-980C-4163-B0A6-0233E07EBE30-4078-000002C013FF0052_zps11471999.jpg.html)

http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w653/zav96/EF99CE07-F187-4564-B08F-BA974F8D7FC8-4078-000002BECCBA1520_zpsc624cddb.jpg (http://s1334.photobucket.com/user/zav96/media/EF99CE07-F187-4564-B08F-BA974F8D7FC8-4078-000002BECCBA1520_zpsc624cddb.jpg.html)

http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w653/zav96/B195BD71-1877-4EA2-8A3C-16A9D7D6C1ED-4078-000002BE95637376_zps1c892efb.jpg (http://s1334.photobucket.com/user/zav96/media/B195BD71-1877-4EA2-8A3C-16A9D7D6C1ED-4078-000002BE95637376_zps1c892efb.jpg.html)

If i where you i spray those red faings also silver, i think that would look much better than red.
Make a fairing/undertray for under the engine mate.

Zav
05-20-2013, 04:27 PM
Thanks patrick does that work on iphones ? As that's how I uploed them and I am going to spray them in next few weeks as I'm currently redoing my solo seat they will be going silver or matt black matters to what colour I do my solo seat

And I have been trying to make a undertray but it keeps failing so trying to find a gpr nude lower tray but only ones can find are 250 ahaa but ill keep trying

RS_Patrick
05-20-2013, 04:51 PM
i dont have a iphone... :D so i dont know.

Zav
05-20-2013, 05:21 PM
Okay thanks anyway patrick I will try it again when I get some photos of the new bits and bobs on bike

Zav
05-29-2013, 10:30 AM
Got my new exhaust

http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w653/zav96/18848BDE-5683-43E4-878F-834206CB96D0-7837-000006D94F6D24C3_zps7d10c646.jpg

apriliamandan
05-29-2013, 11:42 AM
Looks sweet!

Zav
05-30-2013, 10:39 AM
sound is deffently deeper for some reason but seems slower but that might be as i need to tune it in for the pipe

the pipes side by side are the same except the arrow has no bend where the end can fits this one does

RS_Patrick
05-30-2013, 12:10 PM
put a layer of teflon on the pipe so it stays nice, non sticky PTFE/Teflon Spray or Carwax with PTFE/Teflon.

Zav
05-30-2013, 12:11 PM
I've sprayed it on heatproof paint I'm wanting to get that wrap stuff on it like they have some of the rs250 bikes but I think it will rust still under it

Like this but the whole pipe

http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w653/zav96/24D12D23-2E0B-4B7C-9F91-5CB59683C7B4-8559-000007B5BEE4481B_zpse4ef5246.jpg

RS_Patrick
05-30-2013, 12:28 PM
Just put someTeflon/PTFE on it mate, looks nicer and the pipe wont rust.

Zav
05-30-2013, 12:31 PM
It's already sprayed now and on the bike but apparently that exhaust wrap increases power and keeps the pipe longer

RS_Patrick
05-30-2013, 01:19 PM
Wrap keeps the heat in the pipe so the exhaust gasses stay hotter making them travel faster trough the exhaust, but if you dirive trough the rain and stuff it will have the oposite effect, and like you said your self the pipe can rust underneath it.

Zav
05-30-2013, 01:21 PM
I'll not do that then it was only a idea to get more power and looks

RS_Patrick
05-30-2013, 10:49 PM
I think it looks ugly... we had them on our racing bikes also.

nathan k
05-31-2013, 05:44 PM
What kind of power increase are we talking here though? A split second lap advantage or actual HP gains? I've always regarded wrap like boost bottles, best left for the track.
Also using this stuff to hide a rusty exhaust seems like a recipe for disaster in my opinion, surely if it's wet it would accelerate rust?

Zav
05-31-2013, 05:54 PM
After reading into it I have decided not to even bother trying as its only ment to be used on track and warm days and it kills the pipes very fast also if got wet it keeps the musture in the pipe and ruins the pipe and the wrap comes of when wet but they also do all different coatings ranging from 50 a pipe to 500 a pipe the more you pay the better the hp increase , better cooling, saves pipe, also looks good as you can get all diff colours such as copper, gold, matt black ext ext

Appareltly it's ment to increase hp matter on how well it's wrapped and what wrap you get but it does make the exhaust cold to touch even after a long drive. But it's ment to keep the gasses warm so they flow through the pipe faster there for increase up and altering the air to fuel mixture

Zav
06-22-2013, 04:10 AM
A little update of pics

http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w653/zav96/6B72CD4B-D76D-40A8-BE29-77160F662F6E-2424-00000257403BDEB0_zps5e049224.jpg
http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w653/zav96/0F72AC66-3825-446A-9297-E2A5471C58D6-13080-00000C3DB962E0F7_zpsa4fc47ae.jpg

All is fitted no just waiting for a 95 main jet to come and I should be away first stop Matlock a nice 60 miles to test the top end out

apriliamandan
06-22-2013, 05:53 AM
Ride it easy. Run extra 100:1 premix. Why are you just buying a 95 main jet? That Airsal kit should liven things up a bit! Have you still got that 21mm carb?

Zav
06-22-2013, 06:31 AM
Becuase it says on the info what came with the kit with stock carb and stock exhaust run at 85 main jet with 19 mm and non stock exhaust 95 main jet and because its 20p for a 95 main jet

And no I sold the 21 mm to a mate who was wanting to run a 80 cc kit on his senda for 30 and got a 19 mm of him aslwell but I am thinking of getting a 21 mm and doppler ignition with a rev limeter so I can make it restricted whenever I like with press of button and I'm also ordering a TNT alarm with remote start with siren attatment

apriliamandan
06-22-2013, 06:57 AM
Cant just bung in a 95 jet and expect it to be right, jetting depends on so many things Zav.

Zav
06-22-2013, 07:02 AM
I'm only trying a 95 main jet as I already have 100 to 120 and 75 to 90 I don't have inbetween so I thought if I buy it and its right its right if its too small I try 100 and if that's too big I go inbetween but if 95 is too big ill go 90 and if that fails ill just tune it with nuggle and air to fuel screw like I did to my arrow exhaust

Zav
06-23-2013, 10:34 AM
Well it looks like its had atleast a 80cc kit on it seeing as it was running a 110 main jet but the needle had been moved down to run the 50cc and it runs like a babe on a 95 main jet with needle in middle and air and fuel mixture on 1 and 3/4 turns to make it a tad rich then I'm running 1-100 pemix and oil pump as much oil as possible can and ignition changed to 0.5
Happy does 50 in 5th at 6k revs

http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w653/zav96/9A6EA3C2-21B0-4A70-9CCB-E8B8FFB3BD82-16073-00000E276E19654A_zps3d3a2ba0.jpg
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http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w653/zav96/0997B04B-8757-40B8-958F-311C320C987E-16073-00000E277FE3D715_zpse89cdfc8.jpg

Running without fairings till I'm fully ran in

apriliamandan
06-23-2013, 11:51 AM
Nice S2000....

So she pulls well does she?

Zav
06-23-2013, 12:58 PM
The s2000 looks loads better in real life that's the dads toy ahaa And yeah runs lovely but there's a flat spot at 6k revs and in 1st it won't rev clean but in every other it will

apriliamandan
06-23-2013, 01:12 PM
Is it only when you pull away when engine is cold when it wont re clean? Try adjusting the Pilot screw.
Flat spot at 6 could be throttle slide needle

Zav
06-23-2013, 01:20 PM
Well I've got it on 1 up on slide and yeah its also when I sit at 5 and rev it it sits there for few seconds then revs but it might be all the 2 stroke oil I put in it and how much more is going in

RS_Patrick
06-23-2013, 04:52 PM
Is it only when you pull away when engine is cold when it wont re clean? Try adjusting the Pilot screw.
Flat spot at 6 could be throttle slide needle

Those things are not RPM related but Throttle position related, like if it runs fine full throttle and idle, but at half throttle it doesnt run or respond wel than its probably the needle.
Needle has basicly no impact at WOT.



Did you adjust the ignition timing as in the booklet? (see my other post in your other topic)
And what Sparkplug are you using?

Zav
06-23-2013, 05:03 PM
yeah I had to turn it back a bit as it was at 0.8 for some reason so put it as it said and using the br10 something its the one you said even tho it says only to use a 8 in the booklet

RS_Patrick
06-23-2013, 06:23 PM
It says NGK B(R)8(ES) in the booklet of the airsal kit? or did it last an other brand sparkplug with an 8 in the type name for the plug? If you use an other brand than listed look up an conversion chart.

apriliamandan
06-24-2013, 04:13 AM
Try an 8 then, maybe the 10 isnt hot enough?

Zav
06-24-2013, 04:46 AM
Well I've tried a 9 this morning and now it struggles to rev past 7k so I'm going to get my self a 8 and try that

And it says in the booklet to run a 8 heat plug doesn't say what brad or type just says heat 8 plug

RS_Patrick
06-24-2013, 09:21 AM
Hold on... does it run worse or better with a 10? because if it struggles with a 9 to get past 7k but goes past it fine with a 10 than i think going to an 8 would be even worse mate.
if you fit an 8 while you need a 10 its not unlikely that the electrode of the plug melts and and the molten material blows a hole right trough the piston, and than your really screwed as you than would need a new kit and posibly a new crank again.

Zav
06-24-2013, 09:30 AM
im just trying to work out why it wont rev clean with a 10 it will rev fine to 6k but struggles at 6k to get past but after 7k it flys
with a 9 it revs fine to 7k then struggles then at 8k it flys
with a 8 it revs lovely to 8k but then wont go any further at all acts as if its a rev limiter

RS_Patrick
06-24-2013, 09:34 AM
Wrong thickness reeds?
Wrong ignition timing?
Wrong carb setup?
Counterbalance shaft being set wrong (as you do have vibrations) can also keep it from reving out.

Zav
06-24-2013, 09:40 AM
im not sure what it is as when it gets past 8 it flys of the rev counter in no time at all and taes me all the way to 70 with not even reving it hard its just that 6 to 8 area thats annoying me as thats where i want to drive to slow down a bit and keep the top end a bit longer

Zav
06-24-2013, 09:51 AM
could it be the amount of oil i have in there as i put some in the engine when i built it and ive put the oil pump to put as much as it can in and im running 1-100 premix

RS_Patrick
06-24-2013, 09:53 AM
As i said in your other thread, not so good to have 2 threads open on the same subject, i replied in the other thread and sugest we stick to there untill the problem is fixed as its an technical isue, and we just keep the project thread for the progress on the bike instead of clogging it up with pages on a few minor isues you got, keeps your project tread more readable and instresting i think.

Zav
06-24-2013, 11:36 AM
Well its sorted now revs all way to 15k revs and keeps going have to stop it it gets to of the clocks at half throttle but all I did was rise the needle and had 70 sat up right with 1/4 throttle left to go just need to change gearing and I think it will fly all way to 80

apriliamandan
06-25-2013, 04:28 AM
The throttle slide needle?

Zav
06-25-2013, 04:48 AM
Yeah rised it one hole it now starts just by tapping the button and it revs so clean gets to about 8.5 to 9k and the power and hits and goes of the clocks with no problem

apriliamandan
06-25-2013, 12:09 PM
Thought it'd be the throttle slide needle. Thats good news Zav, enjoy it!

Zav
06-25-2013, 12:16 PM
I absolute love it, I would recommend this kit to everyone the pure power at mid and low end is nothing compared to a stock 50cc and the top end power is amazing makes the front wheel light (not wheelie just light as if it's pulling u) In every gear except 5th and 6th

And when you pull away from a round about in 2nd and fully open it will happily wheelie down the road until about 7k in 3rd

nathan k
06-25-2013, 02:12 PM
Nice to hear, good luck and keep up to date with maintenance! Don't believe you on the 2nd gear wheelie though ;)

Zav
06-25-2013, 02:30 PM
I will get a vid on the 5th as there's ment to be a load of us going Matlock so I'll get a vid of its wheelie power

RS_Patrick
06-25-2013, 03:38 PM
Keep an ewye on the sparkplug though.

Zav
06-26-2013, 12:18 PM
Will do its still a chocolate brown what I'm happy with