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jfalero1981
05-08-2010, 03:51 AM
So guys,

Looks like the long heard rumours are starting to surface again. Check this link out:

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/New-bikes/2010/April/may0510-aprilai-months-from-launching-adventure-bikes/

I know its only MCN, and I too was a bit sceptical. Then I also saw this thread in the news section:

http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2520859&postcount=2

I was actually considering making a jump to a KTM Superduke but now after hearing the news, guess I will have to wait and see.

Mikey1
05-08-2010, 04:12 AM
Hmm time will tell, it's been promised for a few years now so i'll believe it when I see it. Is there a Market for it if the v4 tuono comes out?

jfalero1981
05-08-2010, 04:23 AM
I agree with the sceptism, but well like you said time will tell. I personally would go for a shiver 1200 instead of a V4 Touno. Quite thrilled with the power delivery of a twin and also the increased level of comfort, both for rider and pillion.

lanter
05-08-2010, 10:56 AM
Since Ducati has the 1200 Multistrada out and has got great reviews, I think it would be wise for aprilia to produce the 1200 version bikes.

TuonoTim
05-08-2010, 12:29 PM
:) its true 1200 will be here end of the year :worship:

Hinckley
05-08-2010, 03:22 PM
I hope if Aprilia end up making one they give it decent suspension and power output.
If they do and the price is right i'll have my name on one pretty dam quick!

What do you recon 8k - 8.5k?

Ryan Favro
05-08-2010, 03:45 PM
I'll pass on the 1200 Shiver . I'm saving my pennies for a yet to be official RSV4 based Tuono. Otherwise the only thing that interests me in a 1200 Shiver is what upgrades from I can fit to my bike.

octavio3311
05-08-2010, 04:30 PM
1200 Shiver vs V4 Tuono - I'm defintely interested in 1 - won't know which 1 till I see them!

:cheers:

Dactyl
05-10-2010, 07:23 AM
I'll pass on the 1200 Shiver . I'm saving my pennies for a yet to be official RSV4 based Tuono. Otherwise the only thing that interests me in a 1200 Shiver is what upgrades from I can fit to my bike.

:plus:

deano469
05-10-2010, 08:06 AM
I wonder if it will have a bigger capacity tank than the current DD and if it does, whether it could be fitted to the current DD...........

mh_dorso750
05-10-2010, 08:14 AM
I wonder if it will have a bigger capacity tank than the current DD and if it does, whether it could be fitted to the current DD...........

Here here............a bigger tank for the 1200 is a must........would be good if it fit the 750 too. I'll be buying one. ( a tank that is) :peace:

CessnaTPA
05-10-2010, 08:33 AM
:) its true 1200 will be here end of the year :worship:

So does this mean europe will get the 1200 at the end of the year and the USA 6 months later? I've been waiting for the 1200 for awhile and hope it's true this time.

deano469
05-10-2010, 08:33 AM
Here here............a bigger tank for the 1200 is a must........would be good if it fit the 750 too. I'll be buying one. ( a tank that is) :peace:


:plus:

Fred27
05-10-2010, 10:55 AM
+2 for the 1200 tank on the 750.

The 750 DD is exactly what I need. If I wanted a 1200 I'd have bought something else.

jfalero1981
05-10-2010, 01:00 PM
+2 for the 1200 tank on the 750.

The 750 DD is exactly what I need. If I wanted a 1200 I'd have bought something else.

Thats true, when I bought the shiver I wanted a 750, but now after having it for 2 years I want MORE!!!!!!

Obviously will have to see it first before I decide, the KTM Superduke comes with the complete package. Hopefully Aprilia won't cheap out on the brakes and suspension.

maddad
05-10-2010, 02:47 PM
Bigger tanks, v4 tuono's, what about the lumpy revving thing recon they will fix that.....then pass it down to us deserved ones?

KCI-John
05-10-2010, 04:41 PM
A 1200 DD!?! I'm all in, if it hits the U.S. I'll buy one for sure!

Fabietto
05-10-2010, 05:12 PM
I agree with the sceptism, but well like you said time will tell. I personally would go for a shiver 1200 instead of a V4 Touno. Quite thrilled with the power delivery of a twin and also the increased level of comfort, both for rider and pillion.

There won't be a 1200 shiver. They'll make a 1200 DD which is currently undergoing several tests (the engine has been ready for months).

There's a rumor (more than that actually) that they're fiddling with the engine maps 'cause they want the bike to "feel" like the bmw 1200 gs. There's a big party which is convinced that that's the right way to go, while others are pulling their hairs trying to explain that a 90' will never behave like a boxer and that this attitude will result in a terrible engine.

On a side note, why they won't put the 1200 engine in the bike which was actually designed to host the 1200 (which is the shiver, and you can easily notice it, among the other things, from the size of the swingarm), is beyond me.

Micah / AF1 Racing
05-10-2010, 05:47 PM
The throttle body bore size on the Shiver and DD is another dead giveaway! Way too gig to be optimized for a 750cc twin!

octavio3311
05-10-2010, 07:01 PM
There won't be a 1200 shiver. They'll make a 1200 DD which is currently undergoing several tests (the engine has been ready for months).

I agree with this! A 1200cc Shiver would compete directly with the new V4 Tuono - possibly taking away sales!

:cheers:

shekel
05-10-2010, 07:18 PM
The throttle body bore size on the Shiver and DD is another dead giveaway! Way too gig to be optimized for a 750cc twin!

I think you might know something, Micah but your lips are sealed - riiiight?

25PSi
05-10-2010, 08:40 PM
He said sales lol

Hitcher
05-17-2010, 11:18 PM
Money no object, I'd rather have the 1200 Shiver than a V4 Tuono. There's just something about an L twin that a four in whatever format just can't emulate.

Fabietto
05-18-2010, 07:51 PM
The throttle body bore size on the Shiver and DD is another dead giveaway! Way too gig to be optimized for a 750cc twin!

That's true, but the reason is a little bit more complicated: the first engine prototypes at the bench had different throttle bodies (I think they were kehin, but I don't remember very well) but Aprilia has a really peculiar way of containing the costs: first they make something, then they try to cut costs by swapping and testing different components (Ducati works this way too even if the production bikes was a different department from the one I worked for).

The Piaggio group had also the problem that every part is sold inter-company to each other: basically, Piaggio builds the engine which is then sold to Aprilia. This method (which is quite common in the automotive industry) requires that the parts (the engine in this case) must have a precise cost, and here is where the cost cutting steps in.

Anyway, to make it shorter and less annoying, the throttle body was changed with a WAAAAAY cheaper one (I'll ask the figure if you want) which came from the automobile industry to cut costs: I should check it properly, but I think I remember it's the same one which is on the volkswagen Lupo.

So, basically, it is true that it's not optimized for that engine, but it was the closest they could get.

Centerline
05-18-2010, 08:53 PM
While I am quite fond of my DD as it is, especially sorted a bit W/O the ginormous muffler, replaced by Mivv's and a de-cat pipe and of course a MemJet so the dang thing will run smoothly at partial throttle.....a 1200 is really sounding tempting, particularly if we could get about a 50% increase in cruising range.
As mentioned earlier the stunningly capable Ducati 1200 Multistrada is here NOW. I will wait to see if Aprilia announces a 1200 in November....if not then back to Ducati for one of those fabulous new Multistradas.

burty
05-19-2010, 12:46 AM
my shiver is 3 years old this year. *The 1200 shiver was first announced when the shiver was first presented to the public which was at least a year before that. *Frankly im pissed off with waiting. *If it does come its going to be how long after the show before its available? Another year like the 750 was?

CessnaTPA
05-19-2010, 06:56 AM
As mentioned earlier the stunningly capable Ducati 1200 Multistrada is here NOW. I will wait to see if Aprilia announces a 1200 in November....if not then back to Ducati for one of those fabulous new Multistradas.

I've got my eye on the new ducati 1200 but I'm also waiting to see what aprilia comes out with first.

Fabietto
05-20-2010, 07:18 PM
The throttle body bore size on the Shiver and DD is another dead giveaway! Way too gig to be optimized for a 750cc twin!

I'm making another reply 'cause I have some other news on the throttle bodies... you never know what a good bottle of wine and some friends can lead to... anyway, everything I wrote in the previous message is confirmed (scratch all the "i don't remember..." etc.), but there's also another angle on the 52mm throttle bodies.
As stupid as it might sound, when they designed the 750 engine (and the 1200 too) the engineers decided to play safe in terms of performance: because of they didn't know exactly what they were going to ask them in terms of cv torque, etc. they went bigger just in case; it's easier to tune a bigger throttle than make a new cast.
Were they a little bit enthusiastic? I think so; Ducati has a 54mm on their 999 so, I think that 52mm for the 750 was a bit exaggerate.

As for the 1200, well, you didn't hear it from me, but they are displaying the same attitude: the actual engine has a 57mm throttle body.

So Micah, you were spot on with your opinion, but the reasons were quite a bit weirder than you (or me) might expect.