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Micah / AF1 Racing
02-05-2009, 12:12 AM
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2082113&postcount=2605

Follow this post,and read the ones after....I am on a roll, it is time to make some serious power from the 125cc Aprilia!

HONDARACER
02-05-2009, 10:13 AM
Is that chamber a S/S from Tyga?

Steve / AF1 Racing
02-05-2009, 04:20 PM
It is a Tyga clearcoat steel with carbon fiber cannister.

We now have them in stock:

http://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=7109

http://www.af1racing.com/store/ProdImages/st2/tyga_pipe.jpg

motopix
02-05-2009, 07:37 PM
In case anyone's confused. When you get to Micah's link, in the upper right corner is another link "The "What's in the AF1 shop" Thread "
that will take you to the complete thread and not just a single post.

Steve / AF1 Racing
02-07-2009, 04:34 PM
Also have a more budget friendly version with Aluminum silencer:

http://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idProduct=7115

http://af1racing.com/store/ProdImages/st2/TYEXSL-0005.jpg

tekebird
02-07-2009, 09:52 PM
which is better the Arrow or the Tyga

HONDARACER
02-07-2009, 10:11 PM
The Tyga is a better price, but the Arrow is better fit, finish and performance.

Oystein G
02-09-2009, 03:22 PM
What do you think about JollyMoto Corsa? Better or worse than Tyga and Arrow?

Steve / AF1 Racing
02-09-2009, 05:45 PM
which is better the Arrow or the Tyga

Really hard to say, because we have not tested the pipes on back to back and otherwise identical bikes. I agree that the Arrow fit and finish is better, but (and this is just my shotgun opinion) the shape of the Tyga expansion chamber looks like it would be better for midranged torque than the Arrow.

The Jolly Moto Corsa is a true GP pipe, paper thin chamber walls, probably 30to 40 different welds, a total work of art. Very high revving and nothing that even resembles torque, but max power would probably be better than either the Arrow or Tyga. And 3X the price of either the Tyga or Arrow. On our Cagivas some years ago the stock pipe made more torque than the Jolly until, like 9,000 rpm, when the Jolly finally woke up and made more power.

If it's my RS125 I'd probably go with the Tyga and an Aluminum can. The build quality, to price, to performance potential relationship makes it the pipe of choice.

tekebird
02-09-2009, 05:55 PM
Ahh, right after I buy the Arrow, although I did get a pretty good deal on it.

HONDARACER
02-09-2009, 06:03 PM
I have the aluminum cans on mine and really like the looks of them. For some reason the smaller diameter looks somehow powerfull and sexy. Like it could be bigger, but small things at high speed can do a lot of damage!

Gman2005
02-09-2009, 07:22 PM
I would say, the next best thing would be to loose some weight on the bike. Did you cut out the manifold so the V force would fit? We have always cuz them off.

Gman

Gman2005
02-09-2009, 07:24 PM
plus, you will need to port and do air flow tests on the barrel. The bike could make upto 40bhp. But the hours need to be put into the bike.

Steve / AF1 Racing
02-09-2009, 10:19 PM
I would say, the next best thing would be to loose some weight on the bike. Did you cut out the manifold so the V force would fit? We have always cuz them off.

Gman

Yes you can see here that Micah just cut a groove in it to make room for the central spine of the V-Force Reed cage:

http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=101255&stc=1&d=1233810630

You are right on about weight. We saved a couple pounds by just removing the oil tank and pump from our racer.

William the Third
02-10-2009, 01:53 AM
but small things at high speed can do a lot of damage!
Sounds like something a pornstar might say.

the-heft
02-10-2009, 08:16 AM
What sort of figures are you expecting to squeeze out of it then?

Steve / AF1 Racing
02-10-2009, 04:35 PM
What sort of figures are you expecting to squeeze out of it then?

We're not sure; right now we seem to be a bit held up at 30 true rear wheel horsepower, but we're far from done tuning...

HONDARACER
02-10-2009, 04:48 PM
Can I ask what the stock numbers were on the same bike? Without the big carb and reeds anyways. Just curious how much difference the big intake stuff makes.

Steve / AF1 Racing
02-10-2009, 05:21 PM
Can I ask what the stock numbers were on the same bike? Without the big carb and reeds anyways. Just curious how much difference the big intake stuff makes.


Right at 26 hp.

Ed / AF1 Racing
02-10-2009, 05:37 PM
remember, we have a Factory Pro dyno, add 15% to our numbers to get normal Dynojet numbers

http://www.factorypro.com/dyno/true1.html

HONDARACER
02-10-2009, 07:04 PM
26 + 15% = 29.9HP. Sweet!
30 + 15% = 34.5HP Thats pretty respectable for a stock engine with a few Bolt on mods. Thats getting into the late model Moto-x HP numbers. THey use 39mm carbs and complex powervalve systems.

Gman2005
02-11-2009, 08:36 AM
you lads might liek this PV set up. Used on the go-kart engines and the can be mod-ed to take the PV system.

http://www.spellfame.co.uk/acatalog/Power_Valve_Parts.html

random0082
02-11-2009, 11:50 AM
already posted on here ;)

Oystein G
02-11-2009, 04:25 PM
Anybody know if it's possible to get Som R-cdi / Variable CDI mappings for the new version of the Aprilia Rs? From 07mod and up?
Because the new one got another CDI than the old one so i dont think its possible to attach the original HPI R-CDI which is made for the RS125, and i havent found any place where they sell it. Help me somebody?

Sorry for the bad English, im from Norway ;)

odie_trackie
02-11-2009, 05:11 PM
I've been looking too. This would be a good find since the latest tuning issue Micah is tackling is that very issue (CDI spark map).

Please keep us posted, someone is bound to make one.



Anybody know if it's possible to get Som R-cdi / Variable CDI mappings for the new version of the Aprilia Rs? From 07mod and up?
Because the new one got another CDI than the old one so i dont think its possible to attach the original HPI R-CDI which is made for the RS125, and i havent found any place where they sell it. Help me somebody?

Sorry for the bad English, im from Norway ;)

Oystein G
02-12-2009, 03:16 AM
I've been looking alot, and i trying to get answer from HPI on mail, but they doesn't.

odie_trackie
02-12-2009, 12:00 PM
PJ Motorcycle Engineers said the the HPI CDI won't work on the new RS125.

ThisEndUp
02-12-2009, 12:11 PM
PJ Motorcycle Engineers said the the HPI CDI won't work on the new RS125.

:happy:
What...are we all looking at the same time?
We're keeping Angela at PJME busy today.

Gman2005
02-12-2009, 12:37 PM
You would need an old style wiring loom. but it would work make

Oystein G
02-13-2009, 06:46 AM
I know that the one they got at PJME is for the old version only, but it's strange that they havent made a new one for the new CDI box.

Anyone good at searching at Ebay and could have searched a bit for a new type there?
I have a feeling that it's out there.
I suck at using Ebay ;)

ThisEndUp
02-13-2009, 07:01 AM
I know that the one they got at PJME is for the old version only, but it's strange that they havent made a new one for the new CDI box.

Anyone good at searching at Ebay and could have searched a bit for a new type there?
I have a feeling that it's out there.
I suck at using Ebay ;)

No, there is nothing available.

Micah / AF1 Racing
02-15-2009, 10:21 AM
What do you guys think of/know about Vortex ignition systems from Australia? I used on on the 125cc land speed bike I rode out at the salt flats and it was pretty sweet, granted someone else had already mapped the whole thing before I ever got there but it was still impressive to be able to toggle maps on the bar or with the laptop?

Maybe one could be adapted easy enough, they have outputs for powervalve and powerjet controllers too.


http://www.vortex-performance.com.au/

Oystein G
02-22-2009, 11:32 AM
Now i've been checking with vortex performance and they hadn't made any models yet, but they said i should check they're pages in a month or so.
Maybe they are trying to make one?

ladyrednb
02-22-2009, 12:26 PM
Well the bike ended up doing very well in the hands of our pilots, Jon wos his F4 sprint race outright and 2nd place for the team in the first endurance round yesterday....and it was literally almost all stock including pipe and carb for the first track test. Dunlop Slicks were the race rubber.

www.cmraracing.com , check "results" to see where ours and one or two others finished. Jon's fast lap at Oak Hill was a 1.39.

frankd_nm
02-22-2009, 02:41 PM
Congratulations! Great way to start the season off.:cheers:

Keep up the good work!

HONDARACER
03-14-2009, 07:44 PM
So I have proudly joined the modded RS club with a 34mm carb and V-force reed valve as well as a 16T front sprocket. I got to say its a very impressive package. I am very curious what this setup will do in the 1/4 mile.

The_Reaper
03-15-2009, 12:45 PM
but small things at high speed can do a lot of damage!
Sounds like something a pornstar might say.


thats why hondaracer said it :D

oktrg500
11-07-2009, 03:43 PM
As I have understood it, the new shape RS125 (06->) has got the CDI and the Rave controller in the same box. The HPI units are only CDI. You might find what you need at zeeltronic.com. Look for PDCI-12. This is both a CDI and Rave controller. And it has lots of nice features like input for TPS. It looks to me like this should work with the newer Aprilias too.

cosaro
11-07-2009, 06:33 PM
already posted on here ;)

whoa its a loong time since I've seen you post Random :O, good to know your still alive and kickan

Old Geezer
11-08-2009, 02:20 AM
As I have understood it, the new shape RS125 (06->) has got the CDI and the Rave controller in the same box. The HPI units are only CDI. You might find what you need at zeeltronic.com. Look for PDCI-12. This is both a CDI and Rave controller. And it has lots of nice features like input for TPS. It looks to me like this should work with the newer Aprilias too.

It ays it will on the Zeeltronic site, could be what I'm looking for. I could just add the wires for a rave solenoid, and not have to swap harnesses on my 2008 Euro 3 restricted RS. That would make it easy to swap back to restricted spec if necessary.

oktrg500
11-08-2009, 09:27 AM
Yepp. I like the unit. If you wonder about the price, I got quoted a price at EUR230. But I'm not sure if it comes preprogrammed, or if you need to add the cost of the programmer. I don't know how much the programmer costs.

Old Geezer
11-08-2009, 09:33 AM
Yepp. I like the unit. If you wonder about the price, I got quoted a price at EUR230. But I'm not sure if it comes preprogrammed, or if you need to add the cost of the programmer. I don't know how much the programmer costs.

I plan on ringing the UK importer tomorrow. I'll post the highlights of the conversation.

Steve / AF1 Racing
11-08-2009, 02:41 PM
It ays it will on the Zeeltronic site, could be what I'm looking for. I could just add the wires for a rave solenoid, and not have to swap harnesses on my 2008 Euro 3 restricted RS. That would make it easy to swap back to restricted spec if necessary.

This is interesting.

I want to look into it a bit as time permits.

Old Geezer
11-09-2009, 01:51 AM
This is interesting.

I want to look into it a bit as time permits.

It's got to be better than changing harnesses to revert to an older system, and their little hand held programmer could be amazing for a racer, though clearly us road users tend to 'set and forget' the ignition. There is a US importer I see, no reason why there should not be more than 1;)

Old Geezer
11-09-2009, 05:28 AM
Spoke to a chap at the UK importers, unfortunately he's not an aprilia man per se, but is checking with Zeeltronic that the unit does what I think it does. In which case, as long as the price is not too high, I'll have one. The 2 curves could be useful, even for me, as it's my son's bike, and I'd like him not to have 33BHP land in his lap the instant it's all together, I could use the 2nd map to cut the top end back a bit while he gets the feel of a bike that actually revs. Anyone who has not ridden a restricted one, it's a 100% different animal to the full power version, and not in a good way.

Old Geezer
11-09-2009, 02:39 PM
Right, the cost in UK is 180 + vat, it seems it comes pre programmed with 2 curves. The programmer is about 40something + Vat, looks pretty easy to use. Shame it's not USB and software, but hey, I can live with it. The RAVE output is direct, it just powers the solenoid. Looks a stunning piece of kit, I have ordered one.

Micah / AF1 Racing
11-09-2009, 03:20 PM
Thank you for keeping on top of this, I look forward to hearing your impressions....and of course trying something myself with a kit like this.

oktrg500
11-09-2009, 06:53 PM
Thanks for the feedback. I think this box will open up a whole new world in the dyno. I hope someone are able to play around with it in the dyno and share some findings. I'm curious to know what this will do to max rpm, if it is more willing to pull further with a changed curve.

tekebird
11-09-2009, 07:54 PM
ditto, very interested in some feedback with some data

Micah / AF1 Racing
11-10-2009, 12:25 AM
With the right pipe, porting and head insert and squish, well over 12k is possible but I would probably shoot for peak power in the 11-12k range. GP bikes a few back had only 12.5-13k power peaks. Less rpm since you get to set timing as you desire it. I think the secret is just getting a wide spread of very usable power, far more than stock for sure with a 38mm Keihin feeding the mixture. EFI the most complicated solution, but one that would be sick!

Old Geezer
11-10-2009, 01:44 AM
Thanks for the feedback. I think this box will open up a whole new world in the dyno. I hope someone are able to play around with it in the dyno and share some findings. I'm curious to know what this will do to max rpm, if it is more willing to pull further with a changed curve.

I have a local Suzuki shop with a dyno, but they want a new lamba sensor every time they do a 2 stroke, which adds 70 to the bill, so it's going to be mostly seat of the pants for me. I do have a nice long flat out hill though, about a mile of 1 in 10.

ThisEndUp
11-10-2009, 07:57 AM
for a race only bike, do you even need the rave valve?
why not just wire it open or remove it completely?

the rave is for improving bottom end power, yes?
at the track, my bike rarely if ever revs below 8-9k.

oktrg500
11-10-2009, 01:07 PM
The Rave makes it easier to pick it up again if the rpms drop too low. As long as it is mounted correctly, adjusted correctly and maintained so it doesn't get stuck, a Rave does not harm maximum power output. The only gain you get by locking it/removing it, is less parts to maintain, less components needing electrical power and less power below 8000rpms.

Old Geezer
11-10-2009, 01:15 PM
The Rave makes it easier to pick it up again if the rpms drop too low. As long as it is mounted correctly, adjusted correctly and maintained so it doesn't get stuck, a Rave does not harm maximum power output. The only gain you get by locking it/removing it, is less parts to maintain, less components needing electrical power and less power below 8000rpms.

And the less power is the killer. TEU, you do what you like, the RAVE is a must have for me, this is my son's everyday transport, a road bike. It must of course also be lots of fun, so a healthy power output is necessary. But if you had to ride your race bike down the country lanes to his school, you'd be putting the RAVE at the top of your priority list too.

ThisEndUp
11-10-2009, 01:25 PM
And the less power is the killer. TEU, you do what you like, the RAVE is a must have for me, this is my son's everyday transport, a road bike. It must of course also be lots of fun, so a healthy power output is necessary. But if you had to ride your race bike down the country lanes to his school, you'd be putting the RAVE at the top of your priority list too.

I understand and agree with you. The power valve is definitely needed for street usage.

'Not so sure at the track though. Sure, starting off the line will be a challenge........ Think I'll try it around the neighborhood with the rave out. Just for shits and giggles.

:cheers:

Old Geezer
11-10-2009, 01:44 PM
I'm sure if you can hit every gearchange perfectly on the track, not having a RAVE will be fine. I'm only human, me, and would leave it in. I have ridden one with it fixed in the open position, it's very hard to ride. And this from someone who's owned more 2 strokes than most have had hot dinners. RD200, YDS7, 350LC, H1E 500, Suzuki kettle, amongst others, I love them all.

ThisEndUp
11-10-2009, 04:00 PM
At what rpm does the valve open?

Dieterly
11-10-2009, 04:30 PM
Around 8k

ThisEndUp
11-10-2009, 04:42 PM
Around 8k

Hmmm .....yeah, I thought it would be lower revs.

Well, just looking at all possibilities here....

ThisEndUp
11-13-2009, 07:08 AM
just ordered mine........

Thanks to a certain Norwegian for finding this item......and for those other tips!



:cheers: Ole

oktrg500
11-13-2009, 07:55 AM
You're welcome. This will be interesting. Not only can you tamper with the ignition, but also when the Rave opens. On the older model years there is actually a mod to cut a red wire from the Rave control box to make it open a little earlier. Pls keep us updated on all juicy details, starting at the moment you unwrap the parcel :-)

ThisEndUp
11-13-2009, 08:12 AM
You're welcome. This will be interesting. Not only can you tamper with the ignition, but also when the Rave opens. On the older model years there is actually a mod to cut a red wire from the Rave control box to make it open a little earlier. Pls keep us updated on all juicy details, starting at the moment you unwrap the parcel :-)

Of course.


I'm also fortunate to have a speed shop across the street from my shop, that has a dyno. So, results will be documented.

:cheers:

Old Geezer
11-13-2009, 09:31 AM
The race is on, then! Except I can't really play with mine much til my lad gets his test, 23rd december.

ThisEndUp
11-13-2009, 12:30 PM
The race is on, then! Except I can't really play with mine much til my lad gets his test, 23rd december.

:happy: Finding time to work on the bike is going to be the tough part.
Lately I'm working 6-7 days a week.

If I can just do away with sleep, I'd get alot more done. :burnout:

Old Geezer
11-13-2009, 01:20 PM
:happy: Finding time to work on the bike is going to be the tough part.
Lately I'm working 6-7 days a week.

If I can just do away with sleep, I'd get alot more done. :burnout:

I've got plenty else to do, my 250 is coming up for top end rebuild. So my month waiting for the unit won't be too much of a trial.

boggysv
01-16-2010, 05:17 AM
So, any updates on the zeeltronic unit?

Just to reconfirm, for the new shape RS125, I just need the PDCI-12 correct?
Once installed, it doesnt matter anymore if it's a euro 2 or euro 3, restricted or de-restricted unit because it will override the whole ignition map, is that true?

Anyone with some experience care to chime in? I'm hoping to get a full exhaust, 34mm carburetor, and the V3 reeds. Think this ignition controller will complement them nicely.

Steve / AF1 Racing
01-16-2010, 08:39 PM
So, any updates on the zeeltronic unit?

Just to reconfirm, for the new shape RS125, I just need the PDCI-12 correct?
Once installed, it doesnt matter anymore if it's a euro 2 or euro 3, restricted or de-restricted unit because it will override the whole ignition map, is that true?

Anyone with some experience care to chime in? I'm hoping to get a full exhaust, 34mm carburetor, and the V3 reeds. Think this ignition controller will complement them nicely.

We've never ordered a zeeltronic no. Not legal for the series we race in, so we've never bothered to get one...

Would like to see what they can do though.

Micah / AF1 Racing
01-17-2010, 11:11 AM
Yes Steve, we should get one for the "other" 125...I agree...

boggysv
01-17-2010, 12:09 PM
Thanks for the reply. No concerns with legality here, so everything goes!

I'm new to two strokes, so bear with me for a bit.

Is the timing as critical on a 2 stroke as on a 4 stroke? I've seen a lot of rs125s around with the stock CDI (unrestricted) with mods and all they do is just change the jetting and seem to be running along just fine. Some of them will have the ignition advance woodruff key, but that seems about it?

As for the zeeltronic, I see that they have an option for using the TPS, maybe I'll stick to the original supplied carburetor just for the sake of using a 3dmapping. Unless there's a 34mm carb with TPS in the market?

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz302/xtreamer-/ravaevalvetimimgs.jpg
The stock rave unit seems to open it up at low rpms for self cleaning as per the above image, seems like that feature will be lost if using the fixed point activation on aftermarket CDI units (in this case the zeeltronic)?

Sorry for the many questions, bike is in the workshop now for de-restriction, not sure to drill the CDI unit or just go with a customisable unit.

Old Geezer
01-18-2010, 01:41 AM
Hi Boggsy, my zeeltronic unit comes tomorrow all being well. Timing on 2 strokes is hyper critical, especially on a potential plug eater like the rotax. Drilling the stock CDI on a late model RS accomplishes nothing apart from putting the CDI light on. If you have a Euro 3 harnewss with no rave output point, the zeeltronic saves you a new harness, earlier CDI, and rave controller. If your bike is earlier than that, and has the rave output, then you don't need the zeeltronic except for messing around. If you need one, Sean at The Tuning Shop has another one in stock I think.

Old Geezer
01-19-2010, 12:53 PM
It's here. A bit dark to start messing around though. If anyone wants the manual, I have a .PDF

Steve / AF1 Racing
01-19-2010, 12:58 PM
It's here. A bit dark to start messing around though. If anyone wants the manual, I have a .PDF


If you don't mind, I'd really like to have a look at it.

steve@af1racingdotcom

Old Geezer
01-19-2010, 02:35 PM
You have email.

Steve / AF1 Racing
01-19-2010, 02:45 PM
You have email.

Cool! Got it.

Thanks.

decipher28
01-19-2010, 04:27 PM
please report back you findings of the zeeltronic unit i'd be interested to hear your thoughts and opinions of this bit of kit.

Old Geezer
01-19-2010, 05:13 PM
Sure, no worries. WE have all the kit apart from jets, and my local Aprilia dealer is a keen 125 tuner, and will help there.

Old Geezer
01-20-2010, 04:11 AM
Had a thought, the zeeltronic just has the bare wires for connection. Does anyone in UK have a broken/unwanted restricted CDI? My plan is to rip it apart and use the connector from it. Then the zeeltronic will be nearly 'plug in' like the OE CDI. The other option I have thought of is 3M connectors, leaving the existing plug in place. I'd like to be able to slot the existing CDI back in place easily, so the bike can be sold as both restricted and unrestricted.

ThisEndUp
01-22-2010, 09:35 PM
alright, zeeltronics cdi is wired up. No odd puffs of smoke....easy install. Too frigin cold to drag the bike out of the family room to start it up.
'working on timing maps....tps map...rave map...pinot noir map....

'Figured I'd give this a run through with stock carb, exhaust and somewhat modified porting, as a base to build upon. More to come....

boggysv
01-23-2010, 08:41 AM
alright, zeeltronics cdi is wired up. No odd puffs of smoke....easy install. Too frigin cold to drag the bike out of the family room to start it up.
'working on timing maps....tps map...rave map...pinot noir map....

'Figured I'd give this a run through with stock carb, exhaust and somewhat modified porting, as a base to build upon. More to come....

Hi thisendup,

Can you take a pic of the connection? Did you have to cut a lot of wires?

Also, can you post more pics of your bike? You have the green/white/red theme going on right?

YC

ThisEndUp
01-23-2010, 09:05 AM
Cut out a good bit of wiring. Permanent crimp type butt connectors.

No, I have the pink 'Richard Simmons Racing/ My Little Pony/ Rainbow Brite' bike. (training wheels recently removed.....but perhaps I'll put them back on after turn 5 at NJMP Lightning)

:cheers:

ThisEndUp
01-23-2010, 09:11 AM
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa266/ThisEndUp_photos/johnsbike.jpg
....'forgot the Hello Kitty aspect of the bike. Thanks Hank! You bastid!

02ditech
01-31-2010, 07:14 PM
You would need an old style wiring loom. but it would work make
Don't know if anyone is aware of this, but new shape 06 has the old style separate Rave controller and CDI. 06 harness would be the easy swap to use the HPI on 07-09s.

http://www.hpi.be/cdi.htm

Old Geezer
02-01-2010, 02:42 PM
Don't know if anyone is aware of this, but new shape 06 has the old style separate Rave controller and CDI. 06 harness would be the easy swap to use the HPI on 07-09s.

http://www.hpi.be/cdi.htm

Yep, we are aware, but it's still a load of work. And with the Zeeltronic, you don't have to.

boggysv
02-02-2010, 10:40 AM
Don't know if anyone is aware of this, but new shape 06 has the old style separate Rave controller and CDI. 06 harness would be the easy swap to use the HPI on 07-09s.

http://www.hpi.be/cdi.htm

I thought the newshape euro3 bikes have the CDI and Rave integrated into a single unit? Which is the reason why my friend is so keen on borrowing my zeeltronic to control both.

Lucky for me, I have a 09 bike with old style electronics (separate rave & CDI):p:

Old Geezer
02-16-2010, 12:37 PM
:cheers: Young Geezer passed his part 2 test today, we are good to go on the Zeeltronic. We'll have it running at the weekend, hopefully.

Dale_RS_2010
02-16-2010, 11:49 PM
im doing my mod 1 next week, also getting a brand new rs in march for my 18th'' wanna fully derestrict it and havent got a clue where to start, what does this unit actually do.?

Old Geezer
02-17-2010, 01:47 PM
im doing my mod 1 next week, also getting a brand new rs in march for my 18th'' wanna fully derestrict it and havent got a clue where to start, what does this unit actually do.?

Right, you will need te zeeltronic for a brand new bike. What it does is allow the bike to rev, with correctly timed ignition, as it should, as opposed to being limited to 9k and weak as a wet fart. It also offers control of the RAVE solenoid, which simply needs a wire run from the new CDI to under the tank. If you get the programmer, you can do all sorts of whacky stuff, but it's best left to dyno sessions, and folk who actually know what they are doing, LOL! Let it go is my recommendation. Get the zeeltronic, a power valve assembly and solenoid, and along with 50cm of wire, and some carburettor jets, you have a derestriction kit. There's an Aprilia document which tells you the jet sizes, which are likely to be fairly accurate, though they'd want checkingwith a plug chop.

Dale_RS_2010
02-17-2010, 07:06 PM
Right, you will need te zeeltronic for a brand new bike. What it does is allow the bike to rev, with correctly timed ignition, as it should, as opposed to being limited to 9k and weak as a wet fart. It also offers control of the RAVE solenoid, which simply needs a wire run from the new CDI to under the tank. If you get the programmer, you can do all sorts of whacky stuff, but it's best left to dyno sessions, and folk who actually know what they are doing, LOL! Let it go is my recommendation. Get the zeeltronic, a power valve assembly and solenoid, and along with 50cm of wire, and some carburettor jets, you have a derestriction kit. There's an Aprilia document which tells you the jet sizes, which are likely to be fairly accurate, though they'd want checkingwith a plug chop.

ahh right humm' starting to have second thoughts now :/ right so realy this unit basicly derestrics the bike what about an arrow de cat etc will this help havent realy got a dyno round where i live in merseyside, is it a buy it fit job done or all this hook it up to a laptop jobby and is it easy done ? cheers.

Old Geezer
02-18-2010, 04:19 PM
The unit replaced the std 14bhp ignition unit, and provides full revs and control for the RAVE valve. Simples, actually. You don't NEED a dyno unless you are getting serious with the tuning and know exactly what you are doing. If not, leave it as it came out of the box, no need to mess with it at all.

Dale_RS_2010
02-18-2010, 08:53 PM
well the one im getting is the 30bhp full power version i think, thats all they sell there he said the 22kw or something' il see how it goes before messing with it all an if its poop ill start looking at things to make it much more worth while.

Old Geezer
02-19-2010, 01:57 AM
well the one im getting is the 30bhp full power version i think, thats all they sell there he said the 22kw or something' il see how it goes before messing with it all an if its poop ill start looking at things to make it much more worth while.

If it's already full power, my advice is don't mess with it. However, it'll want checking what they've done, as there are no FP 125's imported at the moment. It will either be a eu import, or converted here.

Dale_RS_2010
02-19-2010, 07:44 PM
If it's already full power, my advice is don't mess with it. However, it'll want checking what they've done, as there are no FP 125's imported at the moment. It will either be a eu import, or converted here.

its an aprilia dealer but i will ask some questions when i go to get it, ill get some full details an specs when i go back on sunday mate' so if you could help me that would be great and he said its been in the shop 2 weeks only got plated the day before i went. Its the matt black with blue wheels ill keep your posted from when i go on sunday mate cheers Dale.

Old Geezer
02-20-2010, 04:09 AM
It's perfectly possible to convert a 14 Hp bike to 33Hp spec with only Aprilia parts, it's just more hassle. New wiring harness is needed. The Zeeltronic ignition unit saves you the bother, and allows ultimate tweaking too. The simplest thing for a dealer is surely to buy one from Germany, which is fine, it'll be a great bike.

Old Geezer
02-22-2010, 09:44 AM
I fitted my Zeeltronic. The bolt holes line up, I used Scotchlocks to connect it, after unplugging the STD CDI. Started 1st push of the button, which is better than usual, EFI warning is gone, there's a bit more mid range maybe, and it happily revs on to 10k. I have not yet done the Rave or rejetted, so that's as expected I guess. However, the speedo now just reads 'zero'. Is that a coincidence? I did wash it yesterday, I'm assuming that black thing on the rear disc is the speedo pickup?

Old Geezer
02-28-2010, 02:45 AM
Further report on Zeeltronic and the 2008 on 14Hp RS. With the zeeltronic in place, I rejetted to Aprilia spec, installed the RAVE, and replaced the intake trumpet, the restricted one is half blocked off, and put a new carbon can on. No dice, still no power over 8k. Final effort, I replaced the exhaust with a Gianelli pipe bought off Maxiboi here, with my own carbon can, the gianelli was eare splitting. Bingo, it's in the fast lane. I'm sure there are a few more tweaks to be done, but it flew past 70mph, just entering he power band in top gear. Maybe it needs to lose a tooth on the rear sprocket, we'll see. It's officially derestricted. The exhaust made the biggest difference by far once the CDI was done. I am surprised how little difference it makes with the RAVE disconnected. If you cable tie it open, it's pretty gutless low down, but leaving it closed is perfectly workable, still a good surge of power at 8k.

Speedy Thumper
03-27-2014, 01:49 PM
We have gone and install extra modifications to the bike

34mm carb
arrow ex
air filter
head squish
jetted

wanting to know if the map on the zeeltronic CDI unit coming in for installation is the stock map or is it a bona fide map that best suits RS125 unrestricted bikes

on our old 1994 RS 125 Honda race bikes this unit would run past 13.5 RPM
its output was 42hp on Dynojet dyno

we are looking to get the Aprilia rs125 to come close to the same performance

we however do not have any on the BTDC degree info

we would like to know if anyone has a map or if the new CDI comes with a map preens tall on it that will correct the stock CDI

any help on this would be greatly appreciated

as this unit is new to us and in the past we ran the standard HRC CDI on the honda and it worked quite well for us but we never did get and info off of the CDI

Somebody out there must have some information as I don't believe nobody's using this unit

if you have this is Zeeltronic CDI have you just bolted it on and it works fine and shows an improvement

hopefully someone out there will let us know and at least be honest that they do have it and are not just making a comment but do not have it or installed it

from what we're after is trying to clean up the top and so that this unit will read more than the stock 10.5 to bring it up to close to 13

also if you have experience on the curves on top and is there an advantage to what would be the best amount of change for the curve from 10 BTDC to add it up to say....18 BTDC??

thanks for help on this one

Graham
Valley-Pro Racing Ltd
West Vancouver BC
Canada

morad
03-27-2014, 03:53 PM
http://www.125ccsportsbikes.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=93327&st=0


Have you seen this thread or forum for that matter?
Might be some help.

Also I think the pipe you have is what is mainly holding the revs back. They are not that different in spec from the standard oem pipe.. But I'm only going from what I have wread......

Pego, the guy who started the thread on the link I posted above had a custom pipe built that let it spin to 14,000rpm.

Speedy Thumper
03-27-2014, 10:01 PM
http://www.125ccsportsbikes.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=93327&st=0


Have you seen this thread or forum for that matter?
Might be some help.

Also I think the pipe you have is what is mainly holding the revs back. They are not that different in spec from the standard oem pipe.. But I'm only going from what I have wread......

Pego, the guy who started the thread on the link I posted above had a custom pipe built that let it spin to 14,000rpm.


Thank you for the information that really helped out know what most of them are running

The Arrow Exhaust is set up in such a way that it is best used in the three-quarter rpm range position (8-10 rpm range)
as it is more about using and doing a cornering track instead of a long straightaway kind of track
(city vs hwy)

if it was longer and a little narrower then that would be best for long straightaways and being able to use the max RPM as it will still pull power
(12.5-13k rpm) 12,000 RPM with max HP output power going to 13.5 rpm as extra pull power but is just over rev. ability

would be interested to know the sizing on his pipe

along time ago I had a TZ250 that had two different types of pipes for either long tracks or for short tracks

same motor no changes but it ran like two different types of machines that's for sure!

thanks for the information I will be installing my Zeeltronic CDI this weekend

right now my bike pulled to 11,000 RPM
but was missing a little bit of top-end power

morad
03-28-2014, 11:47 PM
My guess is the Arrow and probably the Tyga is spec'd for a stock engine and for a customer only after bolt ons.
Both companies could have dimentioned their pipes to 12,000rpm but then I believe the stock copper plated big end bearing cage would be a liability.
The race pipes nee

Disco Spider
04-01-2014, 07:23 AM
What kind of power did you guys end up acheiving?

Speedy Thumper
04-07-2014, 04:04 PM
What kind of power did you guys end up acheiving?

Still trying to get the zeeltronic to run the bike

bone stock cdi works fine

but connect the after market cdi and get no spark

completely new cdi will double check all

will advise when completed

Speedy Thumper
04-15-2014, 01:57 AM
Still trying to get the zeeltronic to run the bike

bone stock cdi works fine

but connect the after market cdi and get no spark

completely new cdi will double check all

will advise when completed

........this fixed the connection........


PDCI-12 should be programmed...
Find attached ignition maps.
The other settings are:
Static angle = 36,0deg
Advance = 0,0deg
Delay Compensation = 30us
Rave = 7800rpm
Stop Switch Mode = High Level Stop
TPS = enabled for EURO 3... otherwise disabled
If TPS enabled: TPS closed = 230... TPS opened = 715

mattology
04-15-2014, 07:16 PM
i've tried registering on 125cc sportbikes multiple times, but i never get an email confirmation.

Motolorax
11-11-2015, 02:14 AM
Hey, sorry to resurrect an old thread but seemed vaguely relevant, anyway, anybody actually quantify the top end gains of a woodruff advance key? I know a zeeltronic or similar would do the job better but this is just a play bike for track day fun. Anyone got one fitted? And whilst I'm here, you folks seen this: suter500.com ??? Puts tuning a rotax 125 into perspective.

2T Institute
11-12-2015, 04:54 AM
i've tried registering on 125cc sportbikes multiple times, but i never get an email confirmation.

It has a in built dickhead filter ie if your a complete idiot you go straight in :)