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Clotted Cream
07-04-2007, 03:34 PM
I've been on the Adventure Rider site and want to try off road. The thing is, I worried about fitting off road tyres (and then driving on the road) or having a drop and scratching bits. The AV rider site is recommending TKC's (are they continentals???)

I found this web site and have convinced my wife that I should do this first. MY parents live in Spain about 20 mins from where the Scenic tour runs. The fact that they provide the bike and all the kit, lunch and everything really suits me. Going during the 1st 2 weeks in September.

http://www.andaluciantrailtours.com/index.html

Kev

PetrolHead
07-04-2007, 03:45 PM
I think I spoke to them at the NEC bike show last year, they had Mick Extance doing a promotional bit on the stand. Seemed quite interesting and a reputable company at the time, was good to meet Mick as I've followed the Dakar for years.

Strada_photos
07-04-2007, 04:12 PM
Looks good but it will be still VERY hot in September especially wearing all that gear!

keithc
07-04-2007, 04:42 PM
I use TKC tyres on my off road Goldwing 1100. They grip the road really well and are pretty good off road. A lot better off road than the Goldwing actually, which is a little on the heavy side. I took it ont a Motor cross track day and while it kept goin all day, didnt get stuck once and managed to get full air on a table top, I was overtaken by everyone else at least twice during every lap I did. Still it does make people smile when they see it :)

Keith

Clotted Cream
07-04-2007, 04:51 PM
The TKC's don't appear to fit the tail

http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/de/en/continental/motorcycle/themes/motorcycletires/enduro/tkc_80/tkc80_en.html

The front fitment is 100/90 on a 19" rim

Weather too hot - Off road gear is much cooler but I agree, the weather will be dammed hot (HOPEFULLY)

Kev

joe bar
07-04-2007, 05:53 PM
The TKC's don't appear to fit the tail

http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/de/en/continental/motorcycle/themes/motorcycletires/enduro/tkc_80/tkc80_en.html

The front fitment is 100/90 on a 19" rim

Weather too hot - Off road gear is much cooler but I agree, the weather will be dammed hot (HOPEFULLY)

Kev

The 110/80 has about the same rolling radius as the 100/90, as long as there's a bit of clearance at the side the 110/80 would probably fit ok.

joe bar
07-04-2007, 06:01 PM
I've been on the Adventure Rider site and want to try off road. The thing is, I worried about fitting off road tyres (and then driving on the road) or having a drop and scratching bits. The AV rider site is recommending TKC's (are they continentals???)

Kev

Riding on the road on off road tyres is something you soon get used to. As for dropping it and scratching the panels, a liberal application of gaffa tape, whilst not pretty would protect the painted panels.

As long as you choose the lanes carefully you can get around on bigger off roaders without too much trouble.

Here's a few photo's from a ride in the Peak District a few of us did a couple of weeks ago, which were all 650cc + apart from my mates 400 and another guy on a DRZ we met up and tagged along for a while. Mine's the CCM 644 DS.

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Naythan
07-05-2007, 01:22 AM
Nice pics, where's the track? Looks like one I'd like to ride myself (mountain bike, not my strada!!)

joe bar
07-05-2007, 03:28 AM
Nice pics, where's the track? Looks like one I'd like to ride myself (mountain bike, not my strada!!)

They are all in the Derbyshire Peak District, we did about 85 miles in total, so quite a few different tracks.

rodrigo
07-05-2007, 06:06 AM
TKC's don't fit the trail, so I went to all this myself a few months ago and found the following tyres (in Spain, maybe in the UK you can get others):

* Mitas E-09, the most off-road one
http://www.tyre-pictures.com/Mitas/E09.jpg
I had these for 8000 kms, and they performed decently on road (although, of course, they wear away much quicker, in fact, I had my stock MT90 for 17000 kms) and very very very great off-road. With them in, the only off-road limitation is yourself :) I am still learning off-road driving, but with these tyres in I could turn at 70/80 km/h, while before, with the MT90, I had to always enter the curves very slowly and had to stand up on the bike to not slip away.

* MEFO Sport MFC7
http://www.tyre-pictures.com/MEFOSport/MFC7.jpg
Haven't tried those, although they look too enduro/cross

* MEFO Sport MFE 99
http://www.tyre-pictures.com/MEFOSport/MFE99.jpg
Haven't tried them neither

* Heidenaus K-60
http://www.tyre-pictures.com/Heidenau/k60.jpg
Didn't try them

* Mitas E-07
http://www.ityre.com/i/tyre/2112.jpg
These are the ones I have right now, and although they slip a bit more off-road than the E-09, they might be the ones I wear from now on, since they perform quite well off-road and very well on-road, and they look to wear away much later than the E-09. I'll lose the great performance off-road of the E-09, but since I do 50% off-road/50% on-road I need to find the best for both, and the E-07 perform quite well off-road, so you don't lose much, except for the turns at 80 kms/h :)

BTW, if you come accross the north of Spain, let me know, and I can show you some off-road routes

rodrigo
07-05-2007, 06:19 AM
ah, forgot to say, as for doing off-road, I would suggest you try first on your own, on very easy paths, and start practising and learning how the bike performs. I was myself also scared of the paths the first few weeks with my trail (it was a XR125 at that time), but read a manual about enduro driving (I have it, but in Spanish, so if you want it, just ask), learnt the most important bits, and started practising for hours/days/weeks/months :) Then, I was afraid again with the Pegaso for a few weeks, since it was much heavier, but one day I started trying on my own, and until now, when I do off-road most of the time when going out with other friends. Even with the MT90, you can drive safely, but slowly, on easy tracks, so just go out there and practise! :plus: If I could do it, you can do it :)

Of course, if you still want to try the andalusian tours, go ahead, it looks quite interesting. But if I were you, I would go there with a bit of off-road experience, to be able to enjoy it much more.

Panda
07-05-2007, 08:21 AM
Ummm I wouldn't recommend going on your own...it helps to have someone with you to pick the bike up if you get stuck under it, or to phone an ambulance, pull you out of mud, so on....

Windy Corner in Leicestershire used to do an off road school, I went with a mate who'd never ridden off road a few years ago and we went out on 125's on green lanes, it was great fun. Something like that would be a great introduction - my mate now races enduros.

joe bar
07-05-2007, 08:55 AM
Windy Corner in Leicestershire used to do an off road school, I went with a mate who'd never ridden off road a few years ago and we went out on 125's on green lanes, it was great fun.

I bought a Triumph from Roger at Windy Corner and also did one of their off road days. They gave up the off road school when they stopped selling KTM's a couple of years ago. There's plenty of others around though. Best place to find them is in TBM (Trail Bike Magazine), plenty advertise in there.

Boyd Emmerson runs a good one up in the Peaks, Overland Trail Tours.

rodrigo
07-05-2007, 09:08 AM
Ummm I wouldn't recommend going on your own...it helps to have someone with you to pick the bike up if you get stuck under it, or to phone an ambulance, pull you out of mud, so on....

Yes, you're right, but I was suggesting easy paths near his house. That's what I did myself when starting, but yeah, probably not everybody have tracks close to their house as I do. I live in an agricultural area, in a village, so there are hundreds of tracks around, some of them just being meters away from the village.

So, yeah, that's what I was suggesting. If you need to go far away from home/civilization, then, as Panda says, go with someone else.

PetrolHead
07-05-2007, 11:17 AM
Boyd Emmerson runs a good one up in the Peaks, Overland Trail Tours.


Sounds good, I will have a look out... I grew up practically at the foot of the peaks and used to loads of mountain biking... whats the rules/law with motorbikes and going off road?? I can't imagine you'd be very popular on something like the tissington trail!? is there a website that can give guidance on routes?

joe bar
07-05-2007, 11:34 AM
... whats the rules/law with motorbikes and going off road?? I can't imagine you'd be very popular on something like the tissington trail!? is there a website that can give guidance on routes?

Extremely complicated, is the short answer. Many areas are now implenting the NERC Bill which has recently come into force, removing the amount of legal green lanes available.

There is no website I know off which gives open access of legal routes and trails, plus with the changes as a result of NERC, many that are out there are in-accurate. Local knowledge is also needed to ensure that the lanes used are suitable for the bikes being used.

Best place to start is the TRF (Trail Riders Federation), conveniently, the local group meets on the 2nd Wednesday of the month (ie next Wednesday) at the Red Lion in Sawley, nr. Long Eaton about 8.00pm. Their web site is - www.trf.org.uk

Another localish group to you, mainly web based, but also meet monthly is LARF (Leicester Area Riders Fellowship), who also sorted out the big bike off road ride above. You can find them at - www.larf-online.com

There's also a small group of Nottinham based riders who also run via a forum, it's a new one (they've had to move servers) so not much on there at the moment. Address is - http://itchywheels.freeforums.org/index.php

Should help point you in the right direction ;-)

Clotted Cream
07-05-2007, 02:55 PM
1. I've ridden a push bike years ago on the Tissington Trail.

2. My dads cousins live in Long Eaton (Derby Road)

Isn't it a small world!

Anyway, I would like to get some experience before going off road. There is a centre near me where you can rent their KTMs and use the inddor track or outdoor track.

http://www.wheeldontwo.co.uk/facilities.htm

Kev

keithc
07-05-2007, 04:10 PM
If you want to ensure that it is legal to go on a given green lane, take a look at the local Definitive Map. This map is kept up to date by the local council and if it indicates that a lane is legal for you to use.
Both of the councils local to me have these maps on line as well :)

Keith

PetrolHead
07-06-2007, 02:20 PM
Great info, thanks all... I live close'ish to Long Eaton so may meet up.