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logan
01-17-2007, 01:03 PM
Hi Scott2ride and Uli, I've bitten the bullet and ordered the headers and titanium cans from Rudolph at Smaltmoto and should be hearing about delivery at the end of the week.

I do still have a couple of questions though. Firstly, do the Smalt headers contain the same sensor carriers as the standard headers? I'm presuming I'll need the sensors fitted to be able to set the bike up with a custom map from the PCiii I already have fitted.

Secondly, how lomg would you expect an experience mechanic to take to fit the system? is it a job for an Aprilia specialist or just a bolt on and off job?

Lastly, will this system move the torque further up the rev range than with standard headers. I've heard some full systems do this.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Thanks

Logan

duc slayer
01-17-2007, 01:31 PM
I would have to assume that if you've ever taken off or put on your own exhaust , before this one, you'll be fine. As to the rest I don't know those answers :cheers:

Rudolf
01-18-2007, 08:47 AM
Hi Scott2ride and Uli, I've bitten the bullet and ordered the headers and titanium cans from Rudolph at Smaltmoto and should be hearing about delivery at the end of the week.

I do still have a couple of questions though. Firstly, do the Smalt headers contain the same sensor carriers as the standard headers? I'm presuming I'll need the sensors fitted to be able to set the bike up with a custom map from the PCiii I already have fitted.

Secondly, how lomg would you expect an experience mechanic to take to fit the system? is it a job for an Aprilia specialist or just a bolt on and off job?

Lastly, will this system move the torque further up the rev range than with standard headers. I've heard some full systems do this.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Thanks

Logan



Hi Logan,

The smaltmoto headers are equipped with fittings for CO sensors in each downpipe plus one for a central lambda sensor. But if desired, we put dual purpose fittings into the downpipes that can either take a CO or a lambda sensor. And you are presuming correctly that a PC III custom map is mandatory to get the most out of it.

As for the time required to change headers... we easily do it within 40 minutes. You do not need to be a certified mechanic, it is pretty straight forward. So even if you do it for the first time, I doubt that it will take you more than 1 1/2 - 2 hours. The manual helps... if you read it.


Cheers
Rudolf

Swedie
01-18-2007, 10:48 AM
Will the Smaltmoto headers fit on a set of Akrapovic race cans?

derrickhackman
01-18-2007, 10:52 AM
Rudolf, have you ever given any thought to a race undertail exhaust? From a durability standpoint (given a lowside off) it would be cool to have the option of fitting an undertail exhaust. It may not be possible given the current track skins and existing plastic undertail ... but I am curious if you have given it any thought.

Rudolf
01-19-2007, 09:11 AM
Yes, in fact, we have given it quite a bit of thought, but this is a much more cost intensive modification than our current solution, requiring a different sub-frame to allow enough space for sufficient noise reduction ... and a different tail section, which would be less of a problem.

We looked at the option to do it with a 999-like canister, but I doubt that there would be a market big enough to justify the startup of a serial production for an exotic and exhaust system like that.

bob57
01-19-2007, 09:59 AM
and what about fitting another race can (or even OEM) upon your headers (as it is possible for instance for arrow headers)?
Your possible market would be much extended, no?

derrickhackman
01-19-2007, 10:14 AM
Yes, in fact, we have given it quite a bit of thought, but this is a much more cost intensive modification than our current solution, requiring a different sub-frame to allow enough space for sufficient noise reduction ... and a different tail section, which would be less of a problem.

We looked at the option to do it with a 999-like canister, but I doubt that there would be a market big enough to justify the startup of a serial production for an exotic and exhaust system like that.

Rudolf ... all excellent points and I can appreciate the logic. :cheers:

Here is another one ... a one-sided exhaust like a GP-style exhaust. You would need a 2-into-1 header and only one can. Thoughts on this one?

Rudolf
01-19-2007, 10:33 AM
and what about fitting another race can (or even OEM) upon your headers (as it is possible for instance for arrow headers)?
Your possible market would be much extended, no?


Bob,

Every can with a 60mm input can be mounted to the smaltmoto headers, e.g. Akrapovic (MH6), BOS (SP2) or Sebring to name a few which are used at our neck of the woods. We understand our own cans as a one-stop-convenience shopping item if you are in the market for a complete race system. If you have already got a pair of cans that take 60mm linkage pipes, there is no need to buy another set.

However, adapters to hook up smaller diameter slip-ons or (even worse) the stock cans, we will rather not offer. Trust me that we went through tests that showed clear performance losses everytime we installed such a bottle neck after the collector and basically plugged it all up again. Since this is a race system and the objective is to gain performance, it would not make much sense.


Cheers
Rudolf

Rudolf
01-19-2007, 10:54 AM
Here is another one ... a one-sided exhaust like a GP-style exhaust. You would need a 2-into-1 header and only one can. Thoughts on this one?

Well, yes... not only thoughts. We started a different collector for that purpose a couple of weeks ago, but haven't found time to finish it off or even go on the dyno. However, the required can for this system has not a lot in common with those tiny GP-style screamers.

derrickhackman
01-19-2007, 11:04 AM
WOW, this will be sweet... even if it is not the bad-boy GP monster it would be cool to see what you come up with for a one-sided exhaust and can and what the performance will be.

good luck.

:cheers:

hakan_olsson
01-23-2007, 06:12 PM
..The smaltmoto headers are equipped with fittings for CO sensors in each downpipe plus one for a central lambda sensor. But if desired, we put dual purpose fittings into the downpipes that can either take a CO or a lambda sensor.

Rudolf,

About the dual purpose fittings option, I'm a little confused with the word "down pipe" here and where the optional dual purpose fittings would be located.

For the front cyl, the CO port seems to be located at about same as stock and the sampling line would go between the radiators, which would be fine in a shop or on a dyno I guess. However, i do log on the road and it's tight enough with the sample line coming very close to the front wheel. A lambda sensor right there, would be a lot worse. On a stock system -- impossible.

Would a front cyl dual fitting port be located somwhere else than where the regular CO ports shows on the photos -- to make enough room for lambda sensor (road rides)? I guess it has to be mounted somewhere else, or maybe pointing 90 deg right or left or something.

Any lights on this?


edit: I just reread the recommended bung location (innovate motorsports) and WB;s don't like heat and flames. Where the CO ports are, seem to be way to close (for WB;s). I guess you figured out some other location.

Thanks
Hakan

ckruzel
01-23-2007, 11:13 PM
Secondly, how lomg would you expect an experience mechanic to take to fit the system? is it a job for an Aprilia specialist or just a bolt on and off job?



it took me about 45 minutes

Rudolf
01-26-2007, 04:27 AM
Rudolf,

About the dual purpose fittings option, I'm a little confused with the word "down pipe" here and where the optional dual purpose fittings would be located.

For the front cyl, the CO port seems to be located at about same as stock and the sampling line would go between the radiators, which would be fine in a shop or on a dyno I guess. However, i do log on the road and it's tight enough with the sample line coming very close to the front wheel. A lambda sensor right there, would be a lot worse. On a stock system -- impossible.

Would a front cyl dual fitting port be located somwhere else than where the regular CO ports shows on the photos -- to make enough room for lambda sensor (road rides)? I guess it has to be mounted somewhere else, or maybe pointing 90 deg right or left or something.

Any lights on this?


edit: I just reread the recommended bung location (innovate motorsports) and WB;s don't like heat and flames. Where the CO ports are, seem to be way to close (for WB;s). I guess you figured out some other location.

Thanks
Hakan


Sorry, Hakan, it took me a couple of days to answer. Here is a picture of a complete header with the dual purpose ports. You can either use them for CO or lambda sensors. Note that the photo shows a 60mm system for the RP motor (RSV 2001-2003, Tuono -> 2005), not for the 04 RSV. However, the locations are similar and allow road testing.


Cheers
Rudolf

hakan_olsson
01-26-2007, 06:24 AM
Perfect! Thanks for the info.

Hakan

scott2ride
01-26-2007, 07:30 AM
Here are the ports on the 04-07 headers.

dragonfire
01-26-2007, 04:02 PM
Those look amazing. Now if I could just get exhaust cans to match, say all black just like the headers. That would be stealth. I'm not much of a chrome guy.:fangs:

scott2ride
01-26-2007, 09:26 PM
Get the black carbon cans with non-shiny ends and have the end caps anodized black, or heat coated black. Would be bloody inexpensive to do and would look the nuts!

scott2ride
01-26-2007, 09:29 PM
Lastly, will this system move the torque further up the rev range than with standard headers. I've heard some full systems do this. Logan

The Evo6 and arrow headers are not so good with low down torque. But with these Smalt headers the torque was stronger than stock and came on sooner AND longer. Thats why they rock as a street pipe because the power is so usable down low, as well as having more up top for racers!

Gidimille
06-16-2008, 04:41 PM
Sorry, Hakan, it took me a couple of days to answer. Here is a picture of a complete header with the dual purpose ports. You can either use them for CO or lambda sensors. Note that the photo shows a 60mm system for the RP motor (RSV 2001-2003, Tuono -> 2005), not for the 04 RSV. However, the locations are similar and allow road testing.


Cheers
Rudolf

Hi Ruldof I am interested in this header can you give me a price on it

T Davidsson
06-16-2008, 05:09 PM
Hi Ruldof I am interested in this header can you give me a price on it

Try here :)

http://www.smaltmoto.com/

scott2ride
06-16-2008, 05:32 PM
This system really does rock.

I am just about to remove the Smalt full system from my damaged 06 bike and reinstall it on my 04 RSV (removing the BEF full system that is on it).

The Smalts really are a fooking good set of pipes!:cheers:

Roadless
06-16-2008, 05:42 PM
ehmm, Scott, as you know my bike is a little down in power, do you think the smalt headers would fit the akrapovis slip-ons I have ?

scott2ride
06-16-2008, 10:25 PM
maybe...

And probably....


As long as the Akra slipons have an inlet entrance dia of 60mm you will be fine.

Some Akras are 60mm inlet hole, some old ones are not.

But of more importance to you is whether you need more power as you can barely deal with the stock and fully restricted bike as it is!

RossGuzzi
06-17-2008, 06:52 AM
I may be up for pipes soon. I dont suppose these would fit a Falco? I have the Aprilia sl carbon systym.
Idealy, big bore kit and black system. Hmmmmmmm

Konstantin
06-17-2008, 07:58 AM
@RossGuzzi:

The Smaltmoto-Fullsystem for the Mille-RP (2001-2003) will fit on your Falco.
In my memories you have to change the oil-tank and maybe the oil-cooler for one from a RSV-Mille ME/RP to get enough space.

Cheers

Konstantin

RossGuzzi
06-17-2008, 07:59 PM
Thanks for that. Can someone post a side on pic of their bike? These pipes are shorter than most, yeh? Also from the rear, they splay inwards still?
:cheers:

scott2ride
06-17-2008, 09:56 PM
here are some Smalt cans on my bikes.

RossGuzzi
06-18-2008, 03:18 AM
Thanks for the pics guys.
Just found a hole in my SL carbon can. Long story (fell off bike stand)
Those Smalts are nice!
Might be part of a long term plan. Big bore kit, Smalts....

Scott, I am on my way over to convenscate your bike for being dirty. The Aprilia police have given me permission! :kidding:

:cheers:

wavz
06-18-2008, 10:30 AM
Do you guys happen to know the length of those cans? I couldn't find any info on the actual length to compare it to what I have now (Leo's).

Kid A
06-18-2008, 04:05 PM
No, but the overall midpipe/silencer is shorter. The silencer starts lower on the swingarm. Have a look:

The standard Arrows end after the license plate, the smalts end before it.

scott2ride
06-18-2008, 08:51 PM
Do you guys happen to know the length of those cans? I couldn't find any info on the actual length to compare it to what I have now (Leo's).

450mm for the cans. And Intune is correct. On the Smalts the linkages are shorter. They are part of the header system and dont extend as far and hence the pipes sit shorter in on the bike and in my opinion it looks better this way.