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    Slider install NDUS

    A few days ago the mailman dropped off a box stuffed R&G front and rear frame sliders, and Rhinomoto fork and swingarm sliders. I just finished installing everything.




    First the Rhinomoto fork and swingarm sliders. These are very well made and fit perfectly. Each slider is inserted into the end of the axle and as you tighten the bolt an angled block pulls into the slider to lock it in place. To remove simply loosen the bolt a few turns and push inward, then pull the slider out.

    Fork slider mounted:


    Swingarm slider:


    Next came the R&G rear frame sliders. These attach at the rear engine mount holes on the frame and require no cutting of the plastics. Simply remove the bolt (one side at a time) and replace it with the slider and included hardware. Very easy.



    Now came the front sliders, which require cutting the carbon fiber section of the side fairings.

    First remove the fairing and the front engine mount bolts (one side at a time). Then bolt the frame slider bracket in place with the supplied hardware:



    Now for the fun part, marking and cutting the holes. There are many ways of doing this. In the past I've used Playdough, with mixed results. On this bike, I didn't feel the Playdough was the best way to go and decided to do something a bit different and use a laser to find my hole locations. Any laser pointer type device should work. I used the laser sight on my IR temp gun.

    Start by securing your bike in a vertical position. I used my Baxley chock and Pitbull swingarm stand.

    Second, find a way to hold your laser. It doesn't matter how you do this, so long as the laser is secure and can't move once you set it in place. I tie-wrapped mine to a jack stand, then placed it on a concrete block to acheive the required height. Make sure to set the laser up far enough away from the bike so you have room to work:



    Then put a piece of tape over the slider mounting hole in the slider bracket then adjust the location of your laser until it is shooting straight at the center of the mounting hole:



    You can verify that you have the laser set straight on by putting the slider bolt in. If everything is true, the red dot should be both in the center of the hole, and the head of the bolt. Adjust your laser mount until you acheive this.



    Once your satisfied with your aim DO NOT TOUCH THE LASER!!! Then remount the fairing, the laser will project a dot exactly where you should drill your pilot hole. Place a piece of tape over the area and mark the dot's location with a marker:



    Then drill your pilot hole. From this point you can enlarge the hole as much as needed and by whatever method you wish. I've had good luck with hole saws on plastic fairings. However, on this bike I'm cutting carbon so I chose just to open the hole with progressively larger drill bits until I could use a Dremel tool and a sanding drum. Then I slowly enlarged the hole as needed to fit my sliders.

    Pilot hole drilled and fairing reinstalled, note you can see just a bit of red light at the edges of the hole:



    As I said, for my bike it was just a matter of slowly opening the hole until the job was done:





    Then repeat the process for the other side:



    This was the first time I've tried using the laser (it's not my idea and I take no credit for it), but it only took a few minutes per side to locate it as needed. Not bad for the level of precision that it affords.

    As things are now, I have to remove the sliders before I can remove the side fairings. At some point I may decide to open the holes up so that the slider will fit through without removing it.

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    Where were you with all this info several months ago when I butchered my bike.



    Actually mine turned out pretty good. However I too first made the small hole then after you start seeing your aluminum threads pulling out from all the on and off you have to do with the sliders you realize you should have made them bigger. Well that's where things went south on mine. Since I no longer could use a pilot bit it made making a larger hole very difficult. I cleaned it up with a dremel and they look ok but I definately will go strait to the 3in plus hole if I buy new panels. Which I will probably do since my clear coat sucks as well.
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    I will most likely open the holes up at some point. That shouldn't be difficult. Just put some tape on the fairing around the hole, trace the outline of the slider, and spend the needed time with the Dremel until the hole is the right size.

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    I opened up the whole with a 3in hole bit but it was difficult because the pilot bit could not keep the thing online. I then used the dremel and like I said it came out ok but it would have turned out a lot better if I would have done the larger hole on the first shot.
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    I would definately recommend opening the hole up for easy side panel removal. The threads on the slider mounting brackets only last just so long. I've had to replace the left side already since my initial mount was using the small cutout. The threads weakened after several months of "normal" usage/removal.
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    Just curious. Are you guys using all these sliders for track days ... or just street riding? I put just a rear set of sliders on my bike for a little piece of mind. I don't do track days and really don't intend to wad my bike. Should I be running 8 sliders?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almstsobur
    Just curious. Are you guys using all these sliders for track days ... or just street riding? I put just a rear set of sliders on my bike for a little piece of mind. I don't do track days and really don't intend to wad my bike. Should I be running 8 sliders?
    Both though I haven't taken mine to the track yet.I have everything but the rear frame slider which I don't intend to put on. Using only the rear frame sliders may help if you just drop the bike. I've seen a lot of bikes with the lower end of their front forks ground down and I don't want to see that happen to my beautiful Ohlins. If you start looking into the cost and availablility of replacement body work and likely crash damaged parts you'll want to build a damn cage around your bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZRen
    Both though I haven't taken mine to the track yet.I have everything but the rear frame slider which I don't intend to put on. Using only the rear frame sliders may help if you just drop the bike. I've seen a lot of bikes with the lower end of their front forks ground down and I don't want to see that happen to my beautiful Ohlins. If you start looking into the cost and availablility of replacement body work and likely crash damaged parts you'll want to build a damn cage around your bike.

    Okay, your almost talking me into this. I really don't want to cut my body work for those front sliders, so what kind of protection am I loosing if I have the rear sliders and get the front and back wheel sliders but not the ones that require cutting the body work? Is it pointless without those?
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    I ride street, though I do plan to start doing trackdays. I've already had my bike saved once by sliders (my old TLR) and so didn't hesitate to order them for the Mille. They can't stop all damage in all situations, but they will help in most situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almstsobur
    Okay, your almost talking me into this. I really don't want to cut my body work for those front sliders, so what kind of protection am I loosing if I have the rear sliders and get the front and back wheel sliders but not the ones that require cutting the body work? Is it pointless without those?
    it's kinda like owning gun......better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it. sliders have saved my butt (bikes) more times than I care to think about.

    if drilling big holes in your CF freaks you out, Rhinomoto has some front sliders that don't require 3" holes.
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    Rhinomotos are nice. I will probably get those once I purchase new side panels.

    Quote Originally Posted by Almstsobur
    Okay, your almost talking me into this. I really don't want to cut my body work for those front sliders, so what kind of protection am I loosing if I have the rear sliders and get the front and back wheel sliders but not the ones that require cutting the body work? Is it pointless without those?
    I did a lot of research on what one to get before I bought mine. Unfortunately I can't remember all the details of why I bought the ones I did. If I remember correctly I think using just the rears, the bike tends to tip onto the front section in a slide. Don't quote me on that but I think that's what I remember reading.
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