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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo J View Post
    Despite the imposition of lowered rev limits in World Superbike they still compare well, as Jerez test day 1's times attest. Dorna's ongoing attempts to prise Kawasaki SBKs away from MotoGP levels of performance does not look entirely successful at this point.
    It's pretty simple, Motogp bikes have a higher ceiling, wsbk's are easier to ride. An average rider will be able to go faster on a superbike than a motogp bike. A top rider will be able to go faster on a motogp bike. A top rider on a superbike will be as fast or faster than average riders on a motogp bike.
    The faster the bike the harder it is to set up, and the harder it is to ride. That's why a lot of dominant riders in the smaller classes fail to make it in the bigger classes.
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    well, that has logic in it. don't know if it's absolutely true, but it has logic.
    hubris-that's the game with the blocks, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CRMNL View Post
    well, that has logic in it. don't know if it's absolutely true, but it has logic.
    It is true, the pool of riders that have the throttle/brake/machine control to take a 50hp 80kg bike to it's limit is relatively large, at every level of increase in power and weight that pool decreases until you have a very small number, it's why the racing, from club level right up to motogp, is usually closer in the smaller classes.
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    A generalization of course but similar to what Colin Edwards opined some years back. Superbikes were "couches", in his words, a little easier to find the limit on because they gave more warning. I miss CE, what a guy...what a mouth! Who will ever forget his "my bike's a piece of shit!" quote about that Forward Racing BMW CRT?

    SBKs are way down on power compared to the 240+ horsepower monsters of 2013-2014. No more magnesium wheels. No carbon brakes. No shuffling of gearbox ratios. No chassis geometry alterations. But despite all that they still pop up on timing screens, and it's worth calling out. Godspeed Steve Hislop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo J View Post
    A generalization of course but similar to what Colin Edwards opined some years back. Superbikes were "couches", in his words, a little easier to find the limit on because they gave more warning. I miss CE, what a guy...what a mouth! Who will ever forget his "my bike's a piece of shit!" quote about that Forward Racing BMW CRT?

    SBKs are way down on power compared to the 240+ horsepower monsters of 2013-2014. No more magnesium wheels. No carbon brakes. No shuffling of gearbox ratios. No chassis geometry alterations. But despite all that they still pop up on timing screens, and it's worth calling out. Godspeed Steve Hislop.
    Be interesting to see them on the same tyres. I remember looking at the comparative times a few years ago, the superbikes seemed to be closer to motogp when it came to fastest laps than they were over race distance. That might have been something to do with the bridgestone tyres tho'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo J View Post
    While it might be easier to explain chastity to a stud duck at the county fair, may I help with your proofreading V4?

    belives should be believes

    Kawasaki's should be Kawasakis, as in the plural form.
    don't be a prick Rick, just acknowledge the fact that Sykes used a qualifier , there's a good chap

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    SBKs railing hard against the continuously restraining hand of Dorna.

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    While we were here chatting so amicably...

    ...Leon Camier gets within a tenth of Alex Lowes. Qualifying tire or not, a pretty credible first effort on the Honda SBK.

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    Camier is a class act and imho at the same level as JR and Chaz.
    Forget his troubled time at Aprilia, that was the wrong ride at the wrong time for the wrong team on the wrong bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CRMNL View Post
    well, that has logic in it. don't know if it's absolutely true, but it has logic.
    Really? The logic all stems from a couple of unsubstantiated premisses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by V4Victory View Post
    Camier is a class act and imho at the same level as JR and Chaz.
    Forget his troubled time at Aprilia, that was the wrong ride at the wrong time for the wrong team on the wrong bike.
    It rate Camier up there with Chaz, but Johnny is on another level, he's the best in the SB field by a margin, you only have to compare Sykes results to Johnnies, and they both ride the Kawakas.
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    I have to agree regarding Camier, he was literally riding the wheels off that MV. Was tough to watch the MV have mechanical issues in both of the races where he had a solid chance at podium this year, can't imagine how tough for him it is with time ticking on his career as well. When the Honda news broke it was bittersweet, both a chance at a more financially stable team but at same time a seeming lackluster bike. He deserves a proper package, personally I thought he would sign a one year with MV till 2019 where most contracts come to an end and he had a chance at a front running bike, but perhaps that was too much of a gamble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by V4Victory View Post
    Camier is a class act and imho at the same level as JR and Chaz.
    Forget his troubled time at Aprilia, that was the wrong ride at the wrong time for the wrong team on the wrong bike.


    Amen to that.........and also remember his team-mate at Aprilia was Max, no way the second rider in that team was getting anything other than leftovers, its the Aprilia way of doing things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmik de Bris View Post
    Really? The logic all stems from a couple of unsubstantiated premisses.

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    he's speaking in generalities, but i understand what he is saying. logic is based in philosophy. some is mathematical, some comes from putting thoughts and words together.
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    Aprilia "leftovers"? Doth your disappointment color the objectivity too much?

    Camier had seven podiums on that bike in two seasons, 2010-2011. He has had only two podiums since. His 7th place in the 2011 championship remains his best to date.

    Big Leon towered above Max physically, perhaps not the ideal build for the compact RSV4.
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