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    Bellagio mapping and shock length.

    As the title suggests, is there a non factory map available, and if so is it any better than standard? I know, define better?!

    (Bike is stock standard at the moment, runs well except for a slight power dip about a third of of the way between idle and redline.)

    Oh, and the rear shock - I had the 'luxury model' that tends to bottom out all too easily (I believe that it has just over 2" of travel) - is it just a matter of swapping out to a standard shock to regain the normal 4" of travel or does the linkage need replacing?

    (Maybe I have asked this before but can't remember the answer or find the thread).

    Thanks.

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    Wanna do some logging work?

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    I got a chainsaw.

    But seriously - yeah, why not?

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    Clear some trees in exchange for some work on the Bellagio?....sounds like a good deal for both of you....not getting any younger Pete...
    ....let's have another drink....

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    Not that sort of logging dickhead!

    Chris, you'll need to get up here so I can install my logging kit on your bike and take you through the data logging process. I can lend you a tablet if needs be.

    A 'Stock' Bellagio would be a great starting place. Wayne's, (Ghezzi here.) is far from *Normal*, in fact if there is a more highly modifies short stroke 2V big block in the world I'd be very surprised. Most people don't want to go that far.

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    Hi Pete,
    a tablet I have and I could possibly get 'down' there 2nd or 3rd July?

    I have absolutely no idea what 'logging' is though but if it helps I am a full time computer operator so programs do not phase me.
    In my limited experience the engine seems to running well, except for that annoying flat spot - and it does seem to chew through a tank of fuel rather quickly (computer dash says 7.1 litres per 100 km.)

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    7.1 per hundred! Fuck me drunk!
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    Belsen & Bebop! 7.1?

    Pete, I'll be in touch.

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    Just checked and its actually 7.3 litres / 100km and I do not ride in anger.

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    Then something is very wrong with your bike! It needs looking at. I know the machine, I saw it a couple of times with it's PO.

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    You haven't got an O2 fooler on it?

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    Wouldn't know one if I fell over it!

    Where would one look for it if it has one?

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    It'll be plugged into the O2 sensor socket.

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    I will ask at the MGOA meeting tonight and see if someone knows more about this than I do (and it won't be hard, believe me!)

    Thanks.

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    Look for the lambda sensor in the exhaust. On the Bellagio it's in the pretzelly piece between the headers and the mufflers. If you follow the wires up from that behind the starter motor it should plug directly into the loom with a flat four pin connector. If between the sensor plug and the plug on the loom there is a small Heath Robinson widget with what looks like a screw that can be turned with a flat bladed screwdriver it'll have a 'Fat Duc' or similar device.

    The theory behind these is that they will fool the ECU into thinking the engine is running leaner the problem is that the way the W5AM works is not simple and linear. You alter one input it doesn't just affect one thing, it's almost like it has a 'Ripple Effect' through both the adjustable tables and the supposedly non adjustable ones. Nobody outside WM probably knows all the interactions between those non adjustable tables and other aspects of the maps. That's the reason why these sort of simplistic 'Broad Brush' solutions are fraught with so much danger. One thing I do know for certain is that O2 sensor foolers can and do cause massive overfuelling at certain points. Enough to destroy engines. Believe me, I've seen it. That's why I rail against them constantly.

    They are also completely in-necessary when the W5AM is an open book in terms of *Manually* altering the known adjustable parameters.

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