2012 Dorso 750 hp/torque

[vladp]

Hi all,

I am trying to decide between a DD 750 factory, Tiger and an f800r. On the surface of it DD surprisingly looks like the best value where I live. I am extremely confused though by the HP/torque figures that get thrown around. I saw a review in Motorcyclist for the 2010 model that lists top HP at 75 and torque at 45lbs/ft which is frankly underwhelming (800r makes 60 almost across the whole rev range).

But for 2012 I see the reported HP is at 92 and max torque at 60 which matches the beemer. But I cant find any dyno charts to cofirm. Can't take the bike for a ride either as nobody got demos. Would appreciate if someone could point me in the right direction.

Where there some major engine changes in the 2012 model because if the numbers are correct its a big bump?

Thanks.

[High Country]

The different numbers you see are almost certainly measured in different places. 92 hp is at the motor, 75 hp is at the rear wheel. Some is lost to friction in the gearbox etc.

You may have an easier time comparing power levels people feel (as in power to weight ratio). You could search for people discussing how easily each bike will do power wheelies and things like that.

I can tell you the Dorosoduro will not do power wheelies without the use of the clutch in stock form. I added 2 teeth to the rear sprocket, and now it is close to being able to lift the front under throttle alone, but still not there. Torque feels very linear across the whole rpm range, and the usefull range is about 4000 to 9000 rpms. The motor is smooth as silk! I feel the Aprilia is an excellent value for the money. It is as exotic as a Ducati, and only slightly higher price than a Honda.

If you can find similar comments about the Tiger and F800r, that should give you a good idea.

Another thing to consider is what you will use the bike for. I think the Tiger and F800 have more luggage options for travel, but are not as sporty.

Good luck!

[Carlson]

i raised the rear 2 teeth and dropped the front a tooth and mine does big wheelies in 1st with no clutch and little ones in 2nd with no clutch.

[vladp]

Thanks, I am not overly concerned about popping wheelies. I would mostly do urban riding, some longish trips but no real touring so limmited luggage options is not an issue. If I could ride one I wouldn't worry about the shape of the dyno graph either but unfortunately I can't.
My worry is that when reviewers talk about "sporting character" or "entertaining engine" it usually means "have to rev the nuts out of it to get anywhere." So I guess for me low end grunt is a bit of a concern.
Beemer has oodles of it but I remember test riding 800st and thought it was boring and agricultural. Over here the dealer is offering me a new DD750 factory at about 3K cheaper than the 800 as well (which I really don't understand). This seems to make it a bit of bargain relatively speaking.
At crank versus at wheel probably explains it. Thanks.

[REMEtech]

i can tell you that the dorso definitely will do power wheelies in stock form. ive done them myself. i also rode a triumph tiger 800 across the black desert and the kjulor desert in iceland and i can honestly say after about 800km on one. they are shit. especially considering that the dorso is much cheaper and faster and performs better and has much better suspension. and i wont buy a bmw f800r when you could buy a husky nuda with the tuned version of that engine. ive ridden one of them aswell and they are fantastic. but it doesnt look as good as the dorso. but it is slightly more powerful and lighter...just my oppinion. i would have a dorso over anything about today....

[flateric]

I took mine in stock form (except removed the catalyser) and it made 81HP at the wheel and 49lbs of torque... These are real numbers...

I can attach the dyno chart here when i find a picture of it... I think i already posted it somewhere...

[abarth]

I can tell you that BMW feels very under powered compared to DD. My friend with BMW and me switched bikes for couple miles. Friend was convinced that DD has at least 15hp more then BMW.

[Mardoch]

Low end grunt is a definite check. Usable torque is a definite check. Silky smooth delivery is a definite check. Serious grin-factory is a definite check. Sexah looks is a definite check. Brilliant urban assault vehicle is a definite check.

I had mine dyno'd bone stock and got 78 and a little hp. It feels like more than that and its agility definitely belies is weight. I haven't ridden the other two, so I can't say anything about them. I can say that I love my DD though.

[vladp]

Sounds good, thanks. Decided to bite the bullet and put a deposit on one. Getting the bike next week.

[flateric]

Here is the Dyno Chart I was talking about...

[firemoto]

that is one smooth power curve.

[Mardoch]

Mine tell a pretty similar story, though with a hair less punch. Nearly identical over 4 100% throttle pulls. It's awesome how smooth and linear the power is on the way up that way.



Oh, and standard disclaimer. That's not even close to the proper spelling of my name. Just pretend that's not even there.

[Crow]

I remember test riding 800st and thought it was boring and agricultural...

My last bike was an F800S (I have a Shiver 750 now) and the Aprilia 750 v-twin is definitely way more fun that the BMW 800 parallel twin. It has sharper throttle response, more balls in the top half of the rev range, and it sounds and feels WAAAAAYYYY better. The Beemer has more down low but I’m talking about 1500 rpm. At around the 4-5k sweet spot, I’d way rather be on the Aprilia.

[Dana44]

That is really good looking power. Almost linear. Much smoother than they dyno resluts on either my KTM 625's. 80 HP at the wheel is more than I expected to hear.

Do the 2011-12 Dorsoduro 750 models put out more power than the 2008-09's?

[shekel]

Shivers with decat, cans and DNA filter have been measured at 84 rwhp on the dyno, but then different dynos can give different results.