Papers and Registrartion Impounded...

[RS_Patrick]

Got pulled over by the Cops today to go on a Speed Dyno to see how fast my bike went, and my bike's registration papers got impounded...

I hate those things, if they stop me because im speeding ok, but not wen im sticking to the speedlimit on one of the rare days that i do drive my bike, pull me over and check the bikes speed on a Dyno.

Luckly for some reason the cop didnt pull it all the way trough the revs and only got 84km/h or 52mp/h out of it, but i doubt its gonna help me any bit

[jaycanning]

Are you getting your bike took off you? crushed?

[scottydog]

Damn that sucks!!! They do such things in Holland, sounds terrible! To be honest if I knew of such a risk, I'd fit an electronic limiter with a switch. Our Japanese spec 50's had 60kph restrictors, which we bypassed but could at a flick of a hidden switch reset. I think this is a perfect reason to spend some money on an HPI programable CDI, set one map on a 7000rpm limit and flick it whenever you get pulled over!!

So is the issue because it's a 50cc bike, meant to be only a certain speed? Hope they aren't too harsh!!

[scottydog]

Damn that stuff for real!!!

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remember the days back when I was a youngun, we used to be racing around at night, getting chased by the cops. Those were the days playing cat and mouse with the cops at 4 in the morning!! The smell of twostrokes after a race in the morning was pretty sweet. If you kept in a big enough group, then they didn't bother trying to pull over 20 odd bikes! Unfortunately was pretty dangerous stuff, not everyone lived to tell the tale!

[RS_Patrick]

Yeah, i wasnt even driving anywhere near the speed limit as they where hiding around a corner of a building, i never saw them untill it was to late, no use trying to run because they go a bunch of police motorcycles on stand by on the side of the road, and it was basicly right around the corner of my home.

No clue whats gonna happen with the bike, i still got the bike but they took the registration, so i am probably looking at a hefty fine and getting the bike re-aproved for road use (sort of MOT/DOT inspection so you can get a new registration)
Worst case senario is they take the bike, take my drivers licence, and give me a hefty fine.

The old Dyno's mesured kW power (wich they in reality didnt, because they never put in any values, sao it was more like it was mesuring the rear wheel speed and that got converted into kW wich was not acurate at all, and than the cops translated that to speed... on top of that they could not register more than 2kW wich was 75kmh/45mph according to them, wich translated into you get a maximum pennalty of 170 euro's...

With these now ones wich actualy do mesure and show the rear wheel speed its more fair, but hey your screwed if your bike does more than 30kmh/18mph to fast now, they impound the bike or the registration of the bike.


50cc Mopeds are alouwed to go up to 50kmh/30mph, BUT your not alouwed to go faster in town than 30kmh/18mph!!! while cars are doing 50kmh/30mph... outside town your only alouwed to do 45kmh/27mph while cars are doing 50kmh/30mph or 80kmh/50mph on the same street your driving, and than there wondering why so many kids driving mopeds get killed while there doing everything to stop them from tweaking there bikes and they even have to take driving lessons and an an exam... that aint gonna help if cars dont watch out wen they turn of a road if theres a moped comming up next to them (mopeds have to stay on the curb side of the road but mopeds got the same crossing rights as a car so if a moped is crossing a intersection straight and a car is going to turn of right on the intersection the moped has right of way, but seems car drivers just dont see the mopeds or dont know the rules and run them down just like last week again here) or if they stay at 3 feet of your rear wheel.

To many stupid rules here.

[littlefeller]

its simple, rerestrict the bike and ask to see the calibration records for that device on that day, any device like this including speed guns must be callabrated before each days use. does anyone actually have the time to carry out such callibrations, if they havnt got one then demand a retest with a callabrated one, now on the restricted engine. red tape can be usefull.

(To many stupid rules here) same here too, hope its not too painfull.
its stupid really, all 16 year olds want there bike to be faster, most of them if not all will at somepoint try. when i think back to my time at this point i do smile, you always remember them fondly.
like being the only kid whos 125 would hit a ton (100mph), fairly easy nowadays but back then it was wow.

[RS_Patrick]

They dont make the mistake of using a non calibrated Dyno here, kids are to smart and they usualy will ask for it trying to get out from there fine, so now a days they stick the calibration report on the back of the scale so you can se right away that its calibrated, but im sure there are a few that just get signed off as calibrated while they where not.

[littlefeller]

but who and what callabrates the callabrator.
gugger.
think i have seen devices like that here in the uk.

[scottydog]

when I was 16 they used to do mass pull overs, pulling any of the 50cc bikes........well not quite, because I had a Honda cub 50 they never bothered with me. Basically if the bike sounded loud or they suspected had a oversized kit they would put them in the back of a truck for further examination. If they found it was loud then you got a fine, if oversized they removed it to be destroyed!! One day during an important exam period they did this and the public got upset as the exams have to be done worldwide at the same time, so since then they don't do this.

I think for sure you'll need to make a serious restrictor setup! My dad said in his day (60's) they were only allowed 1 gear, but some of the bikes had 3 gears as designed so the guys would make it operate as a 3 gear. But if you got pulled over your bike would be taken, so they found out there was a pin if removed would lock it back into the single gear. They would use fishing line and when they got pulled, give it a tug to remove the pin and lock it into a single gear.

So for sure you'll need to come up with something, I've fitted throttle restrictors etc on bikes before, so should be a few options to use!!

[RS_Patrick]

For now im just gonna fit the old junk parts on there so it just makes it to 40~45kmh.

They do mass pull overs here for 50's and i was one of them, got pulled over for no reason at all, if there fair they check the bike for other "defects" also like tire thread, brakes, lights etc. etc. but they dont even bother with that, in some other parts of the country they inspect that also like there supost to, but here they just want to write quick and easy fines i guess.

I know how to install/build a restrictor thats verry effective, but i planned to fit the 50kmh/30mph engine back after i fitted a new crank, so didnt bother with making one especaily since this engine was not running full speed/power.

[williamr]

Depends on where your dad lived in the 60s. In the Uk there were motorcycles over 250 cc, for whivh you needed to be over 17 with a full licence, and motorcycles under 250cc, for which you needed to be 16 with a provisional licence.

Mopeds were under 50cc with pedals - no speed or power restriction, but the licence was the same as an under 250cc bike, except that a moped could be ridden without L plates by a full car lcence holder.

The Honda 50 cub was a motrcycle, not a moped, because it didn't have pedals. The current more complex rules didn't start to be introduced until the late 70s.

Rob

[williamr]

BTW - If you know the rules and get caught breaking them you can't really complain. Get a speeding fine and ride a bit slower until the points are off your licence, for example.

If you get caught regularly, maybe rethinking breaking the rules is worth doing.

And lots of people breaking the rules usually leads to even more draconian rules.

[RS_Patrick]

Well i wasnt speeding, bike doesnt produce to much noise or anything, but they can just pull you over here and put your bike on a Dyno (no coolong, no braket for the front wheel so it cant fly off) and all they do is just check the speed, they dont even bother to look at the tires or anything else, hell, they dont even look if the VIN is a match with the Registration papers, ive seen someone being pulled over with a Stolen Scooter on the corner of my street, they put him on the Dyno, fined him because it went a few kmh/mph to fast and send him on his way...
They dont bother checking anything at all, all they do is put it on the dyno, check the speed it can go, and thats it.

They dont pull mopeds/scooters over in the UK for no reason at all, and than just put them on a Dyno to mesure the max speed it can do, if they pull you for a big trafic inspection they check the whole lot including the driver and not just Mopeds and Scooter.

They just use it here as a easy way to write out a bunch of fines, has nothing to do with making the streets safer at all.

[knights_gpr50]

here in the uk, or atleast where i live they dont have anything to check your top speed, i doubt they even care, unless you are caught speeding the have no idea. they only pullyou over if youre doing something stupid, and around the festive christmas season they sometimes do random stops for breath tests then do a check of the whole bike but not as much as cars, even tho most of us were dumb enough to ride home after a party. what if your bike was to fly off or even seize up when they are doing the test? any compensation?

[RS_Patrick]

If they damadge it you have to go trough a long and burocratic paper mill to get any compensation so most people just give up on that.