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    Well,I guess its my turn... :bangwall:

    Yes,After 4.5 yrs I guess its my turn to have a major electrical breakdown (at 76k klm)...chugging around in town today,absolutely picture perfect weather,when the old girl starts missing,picks up & then dies.
    Ok,roll to a stop hit starter,dash lights go out and speedo & tach needles spin right around
    Check fuses,all good.
    Okay,lift seats to get to the starter relay with a C-spanner across the relay terminals...some sparking but no go...
    Anyway,after some pondering I rang the RACQ tilt tray...for the ride home.
    I guess I now go chasing those brown connectors & S/Stand switch,
    anything else...??
    Yeah,maybe all the fish oil got washed out...
    JohnG.

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    John did you check the 30 amp fuses under the seat as well?

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    Fresh fish?
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    Sounds like you have a dead battery.
    Early last summer, my Capo let me down on the motorway outside London in just the same way.
    After a bit of engine missing & farting, flashing EFI, clocks and dash going nuts, it finally died in the space of 10 minutes.

    No chance of restarting at all.
    So, looks like a rectifier problem.

    A new Battery got her back in fine order the following day, bought the Honda Optima charger, and replaced the rectified last year with the Goldwind model.
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    put a new battery and check your voltages at idle & 4000 rpm.
    maybe a dead rectifier .

    sold: "01 Caponord |Flame Red|, Modlist done: Honda CBR600 RR Mosfet (FH008) Rectifier Mod, Brown Connector Mod
    now: "04 Caponord |Rally Raid| FH016 Mosfet R/R | GPR Titanium Exhaust|
    01 Futura [infinity blue]
    Caponord Stanleybobly style loomed MOSFET Rectifiers & Fuelline Kit FS

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    Thanks guys,love your work...
    I had fitted a new Deka (Harley Sportster) battery & new Yamaha Starter relay recently.
    Last night the battery showed 11.9v !!
    And yes all fuses are good,but replaced the ones under the seat,just in case...
    This morning after charging all night its now 12.8v-ish,but still taking charge,
    and the bike just started up like new but the 4yr old AF1 aftermarket reg.appears to be stone dead.
    I've searched this forum for links to the Honda CBR 600 reg.
    Can these be bought in a kit form to fit the Capo? Thx
    Last edited by JohnG.; 04-15-2011 at 05:58 PM.
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    Can these be bought in a kit form to fit the Capo? Thx
    (I'm a lazy shite)


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    Knackered battery

    Hey John,
    Looks like you really should have a bit more than 13volts when fully charged, Hows the Acid level? it won't charge or hold charge if low level.

    No need for a DIY RR kit, I put in the Honda Goldwing rectifier(se link below, it has a black voltage sensor wire that you can connect directly to battery pos+)
    Took about an hour to fit, no fancy connectors, cut off white plug and get connecting, strip 15mm of wires, just bare wires twisted tightly together & well taped for now, I'll solder them in a few weeks when Im UK or Eire.
    You'll need to get 15mm longer bolts, as Honda Reg/Ref has deeper bolt hole shoulder, of grind them down if you could bothered...

    Get rid of that AF1 regulator

    Here's what ya need, good quality OEM part...
    http://www.mdgoldwings.co.uk/honda-g...fier-618-p.asp
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnG. View Post
    Thanks guys,love your work...
    This morning after charging all night its now 12.8v-ish,but still taking charge,
    and the bike just started up like new but the 4yr old AF1 aftermarket reg.appears to be stone dead.
    I've searched this forum for links to the Honda CBR 600 reg.
    Can these be bought in a kit form to fit the Capo? Thx
    Last edited by Scubajoey; 04-16-2011 at 06:54 AM.
    K&N filter, snorkel-less, HyperPro front/rear springs, modified 051123 ecu map.

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    go for a Mosfet FH008 Unit (cbr600RR)
    runs cooler and efficient
    here's the proof.
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YazISsTVGec&feature=youtube_gdata"]YouTube - Mosfet Rectifier Regulator FH008[/ame]



    look at my thread
    did changed it little bit, so new wiring is on the last pages.

    if you wanna wired on the original wiring harness.
    here is a FH008BA [ame="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/REGULATOR-RECTIFIER-CBR600RR-CBR-600-600RR-04-HONDA-D-/170625438785?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash =item27ba119441"]FH008BA[/ame] this one has 2 lead for plus and 2 leads for ground. the same as Capo
    so solder it if you can't crimp the fancy connectors.
    Last edited by Stanleybobly; 04-16-2011 at 06:19 PM.

    sold: "01 Caponord |Flame Red|, Modlist done: Honda CBR600 RR Mosfet (FH008) Rectifier Mod, Brown Connector Mod
    now: "04 Caponord |Rally Raid| FH016 Mosfet R/R | GPR Titanium Exhaust|
    01 Futura [infinity blue]
    Caponord Stanleybobly style loomed MOSFET Rectifiers & Fuelline Kit FS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanleybobly View Post

    if you wanna wired on the original wiring harness.
    here is a FH008BA FH008BA this one has 2 lead for plus and 2 leads for ground. the same as Capo
    so solder it if you can't crimp the fancy connectors.
    Freight costs $150-$300....!!
    I guess,At least it gives the local a chance,pricewise,to my door...
    JohnG.

    '02 Capo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scubajoey View Post
    Hey John,
    Looks like you really should have a bit more than 13volts when fully charged, Hows the Acid level? it won't charge or hold charge if low level.

    No need for a DIY RR kit, I put in the Honda Goldwing rectifier(se link below, it has a black voltage sensor wire that you can connect directly to battery pos+)
    Took about an hour to fit, no fancy connectors, cut off white plug and get connecting, strip 15mm of wires, just bare wires twisted tightly together & well taped for now, I'll solder them in a few weeks when Im UK or Eire.
    You'll need to get 15mm longer bolts, as Honda Reg/Ref has deeper bolt hole shoulder, of grind them down if you could bothered...

    Get rid of that AF1 regulator

    Here's what ya need, good quality OEM part...
    http://www.mdgoldwings.co.uk/honda-g...fier-618-p.asp
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    Joey,
    That looks just like the AF1 aftermarket item...just saying...
    Anyway,Today I bit the bullet and cut out both brown connectors & the white connector
    on the reg,as the plastic on the bike side was crumbling away leaving
    connections to fall out.
    I soldered the front ones & have the ones at the reg. just twisted together
    for now,as I'm testing.
    Stator output was then 58-63v AC at the reg.,& 12.1v at the battery,
    so the reg. is definately toasted.
    BTW,does it matter if you get the yellow,green or other colours mixed up but
    still on their 'same side' ? thx
    Last edited by JohnG.; 04-17-2011 at 04:01 AM.
    JohnG.

    '02 Capo.

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    FYI,just found these...thoughts?
    http://www.roadstercycle.com/index.htm
    JohnG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnG. View Post
    FYI,just found these...thoughts?
    http://www.roadstercycle.com/index.htm
    won't fit on the original r/r place.

    just look at fleabay:
    for a cbr600rr (2007- now) codename FH008
    or great alternative ZX6R (2007-2009) codename FH016 ,although slighty longer one bolt will have to be extended.

    [ame="http://cgi.ebay.com.au/07-08-09-CBR-600-RR-Voltage-Regulator-Rectifier-/270736157864?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash =item3f0921eca8"]07 08 09 CBR 600 RR Voltage Regulator Rectifier | eBay[/ame]
    33 dollar for the shipping to AUS.

    sold: "01 Caponord |Flame Red|, Modlist done: Honda CBR600 RR Mosfet (FH008) Rectifier Mod, Brown Connector Mod
    now: "04 Caponord |Rally Raid| FH016 Mosfet R/R | GPR Titanium Exhaust|
    01 Futura [infinity blue]
    Caponord Stanleybobly style loomed MOSFET Rectifiers & Fuelline Kit FS

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    I don't think its much like the AF1 Aftermarket tbh,
    the AF1 has no black voltage sensing wiring, I wouldn't let the look of the fin coolers fool ya.
    Also the OEM aprilia RR has no raised collars on the boltholes.


    But get whatever rectifier you feel works best for you, the main thing is to replace it...many ways to skin a cat..
    Good to see you cut out the front Brown connector, we don't want another Capo in flames like Nav18tor....
    I'd only put plugs in a place that I expect to be unplugging at least maybe once a year, very doubtful I'll ever unplug the Rectifier again...
    Maybe I'm giving my electrical engineering profession a bad reputation..

    But I seriously like anything that uses feedback loops, like the Black sensing wire.... Without seeing a diagram of the internals of the Rectifier, this seems a more stable design rather than setting a max output voltage/current based on current load on the bike.

    HONDA GOLDWING REG/REF
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    It doesn't matter how you connect the 3 Yellow AC wires from the alternator to each other, they will be rectified to DC in the 2 red/striped wires.
    Same for the Green, these are the Negatives.

    Good luck, hope you're Capo's back on tarmac soon...



    Quote Originally Posted by JohnG. View Post
    Joey,
    That looks just like the AF1 aftermarket item...just saying...
    BTW,does it matter if you get the yellow,green or other colours mixed up but
    still on their 'same side' ? thx
    Last edited by Scubajoey; 04-17-2011 at 06:44 AM.
    K&N filter, snorkel-less, HyperPro front/rear springs, modified 051123 ecu map.

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    Thanks guys
    I decided on the CBR 600 item on fleabay
    price is just too good.
    JohnG.

    '02 Capo.

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