How does a 2007 RSVR Factory compare to a 2005 MV Agusta F4?

[theknurl]

had a 1/2 day test ride on a F4 a few years back....it was a cool day and the cat was gone and it had a chip installed
LOVED it. heat about the same as Aprilia

the $1,000 service cost is a ripoff go on the MVAgusta.net forum there is a recent thread about service costs

i just bought one off ebay '05 w16,000mi for $7,800 with a ton of spares some carbon, PVM hydraulics/levers, cast iron rotors, radial Brembos on custom fork bottoms, the diagnostic computer, PClll, ramp, f&r stands
he rode it year round pacific northwest....so i tore it down
bad bearings in rear hub water got in..aftermarket bearings $82.13
must bore hub 2.5mm deeper....

HANDS DOWN THE EASIEST BIKE TO WORK ON PERIOD!

to remove the gas tank, air box, complete upper fairing w/mirrors and airducts;
7 screws
2 quick disconnect fuel lines
3 vent lines
1 electrical connector (fuel pump etc)

to remove front wheel;
4 caliper bolts
2 hinged fork cap bolts

rear wheel;
1 large nut

exhaust system;
head pipes 2 nuts
mid pipe 2 bolts
mufflers 2 bolts

change rear sprocket;
loosen 2 bolts
rotate hub
remove 5 nuts
sprocket is off
mount new sprocket 5 nuts
rotate hub to adjust chain
tighten 2 bolts

typical problems
engine runs hot, the fix, updated water pump $140 and engine ice
and if you live where its really hot 3rd fan
rear hub bearings should be inspected and lubed more often than spec'd

it has a REAL alternator and all the electrical connectors are waterproof

mille racer 69 PM me

Noel-theknurl

[rx7tt95]

Check insurance rates too...it was $1300 MORE to insure an 07 F4R than an 07 RSVR Factory when I went shopping for bikes way back when.

The RSVR is a far more usable bike day in and day out, handles better than the F4 too. I had a nice long ride on an F4R and while I enjoyed it, it's a bike best left for twisty roads and Sunday morning rides. If you have to go through more than three stoplights to get to said roads on the F4, you'll regret it.

[worc_RSV]

I just bought an 07 rsv w/ 2000 miles for $8000. So I think a factory for the same price seems like a pretty good deal.

[Mille Racer 69]

Check insurance rates too...it was $1300 MORE to insure an 07 F4R than an 07 RSVR Factory when I went shopping for bikes way back when.

insurance is actually extremely cheaper for the F4 than the Aprilia! with 2 tickets $115 a month for full coverage on the RSV with a $250 deductable, But only $40 a month with the same insurance company and the same coverage for the F4... WTF!?

[Jaguar]

As you ride lots of miles, you really need to get the Factory. I ride regularly (like 10,000km per year) with a MV owner and his bikes (he's on his 2nd now) are substantially less reliable than either of my Aprilias or the 2 other Aprilias owned by guys who also ride with us.

Dont get me wrong, the MV is a ballisticly good bike to ride hard on a good road, but is far, far less forgiving than the Aprilia from day to day.

Mike (MV owner) and I agree that the MV - being a lower volume beast - is less well tested/developed than the Aprilia and can therefore never be as reliable/dependable. Also, you can never, ever, just relax and go with the flow on the MV. That may not immediately mean so much to you, MilleRacer69, as I know you're a young guy (not like me at 48 and Mike at 64), but think about it anyway.

Still, both fantastic bikes - you'll love whichever.


Rex

[BillG1]

mille racer 69,

With the amount of riding you do, I would get the RSVR.
I own an 07 F41000R and I purchased an 08 Tuono just to help spread the miles some....

I absolutely love the F4. The "overheating" talk is BS. They run hot, but I've never overheated, and I ride it to Borrego Springs where it gets >100 deg. The trick is to keep the speed up; it's not a commuter bike.

The services are as you've been told. Insurance for me is also quite a bit cheaper on the F4 than the Tuono. There just aren't that many F4's being crashed; I think most owners are cautious with them, thus the statistics are good.

I don't recommend it as a primary bike if you're going to put a lot of miles on it, due to sheer maintenance costs. Realibility-wise, they are built very well, and are easy to work on though.

[theknurl]

ask Micah about his buddy with the 2 MVs and 100,000 miles between them!

my insurance is $1400 a year, full coverage, $500 deductible for all 3;
'05 MV F4
'04 RSVR
'02 R1150GS
the last time my '01 KTM 640 Duke ll was insured it was $221 a year
and that's here in LA

BillG1 is right about the MV being easy to work on, EVERY other bike is a PITA in comparison

as the one, that has has his 7th stator mounted....the MV and the BMW have REAL alternators! and waterproof electrical connectors....

hello Aprilia how much money did you save on that ...$10? and what did you pay out in warranty claims??? fucking morons!!!!!

the big bore kit for the Aprilia is over $1000, i just sent one to Sweden, for the MV ~$600

don't get me wrong i HATE Wellnuts, and the MV is full of them

if you ride hard.... you should do YOUR service, its YOUR ass, YOU notice small changes/noises/vibrations, its up to you to see that it gets done.
you think the mechanic inspects the oil he drains? you should! is he checking the torque of important bolts?
i doubt it...... HE'S FLAT RATING IT!

Noel-theknurl

[Mille Racer 69]

ask Micah about his buddy with the 2 MVs and 100,000 miles between them!

my insurance is $1400 a year, full coverage, $500 deductible for all 3;
'05 MV F4
'04 RSVR
'02 R1150GS
the last time my '01 KTM 640 Duke ll was insured it was $221 a year
and that's here in LA

BillG1 is right about the MV being easy to work on, EVERY other bike is a PITA in comparison

as the one, that has has his 7th stator mounted....the MV and the BMW have REAL alternators! and waterproof electrical connectors....

hello Aprilia how much money did you save on that ...$10? and what did you pay out in warranty claims??? fucking morons!!!!!

the big bore kit for the Aprilia is over $1000, i just sent one to Sweden, for the MV ~$600

don't get me wrong i HATE Wellnuts, and the MV is full of them

if you ride hard.... you should do YOUR service, its YOUR ass, YOU notice small changes/noises/vibrations, its up to you to see that it gets done.
you think the mechanic inspects the oil he drains? you should! is he checking the torque of important bolts?
i doubt it...... HE'S FLAT RATING IT!

Noel-theknurl

Well 1 of the reasons I purchased the factory was because it only had 1000 miles on it and was 1/2 the price of a brand new 1. And also I checked out that F4 1000s and I could see dry coolant all over the place.
indicating it overheated or sprung a leak or something. I asked him about it and he jokingly said "it likes to mark it's territory haha" and shrugged it off as nothing but I didn't like the look of the situation so I just backed out and got the Factory. very happy with it. I am going to get a corbin seat sover cuz for some reason aprilia likes to PAVE their seats instead of put foam in them, and I am goin to take the CAT's out and put Tigcrafts on it

[theknurl]

mille racer 69;
you are correct about the MV leaking coolant......the idiots DIDN'T put a catch tank on it!!!!

no bike i ride WILL be capable of dumping coolant in front of my back tire, period!

unplug the one on the Aprilia, it'll do the same thing!
its just a dumb engineering mistake, period!

so i'm adding a catch tank.... not a big deal

Noel-theknurl

[BillG1]

mille racer 69;
you are correct about the MV leaking coolant......the idiots DIDN'T put a catch tank on it!!!!

no bike i ride WILL be capable of dumping coolant in front of my back tire, period!

unplug the one on the Aprilia, it'll do the same thing!
its just a dumb engineering mistake, period!

so i'm adding a catch tank.... not a big deal

Noel-theknurl

Keep the coolant level to the MIN mark, when HOT, and it will not dump coolant.

[theknurl]

Keep the coolant level to the MIN mark, when HOT, and it will not dump coolant.

find a car WITHOUT a catch tank!!! why do you think they have them?

it appears auto manufacturers understand certain things that motorcycle manufacturers DON'T.....

if you design a vehicle that can dump something as slippery as antifreeze in front of the REAR TIRE, lawyers can RAPE YOUR ASS IN COURT!!!!!!

its just STUPID, just like the low rating on radiator caps, on ALL bikes, it decreases the efficiency of the cooling system

Noel-theknurl

[BillG1]

Not defending MV's engineering decisions.
Just saying from a practical point of view-it's worked for me.
The catch tank is a good idea.

[mac88]

not to hijack the thread but how do you guys think the mv agusta f4 750 spr compares to the rsvr. it is supposed to be the ultimate 750. 146 hp and a decently massaged motor compared to the rest of the 750 f4's in addition to a few other parts such as carbon bits and a nice suspension. imo the f4 1000 in a performance perspective would leave the rsvr behind being that both riders are equal and that the track having a long straight and not many tecnical turns. it might favor the rsvr if the track was differnt as seen in the master bike comparison. the spr would be the best performance comparison.
Thanks guys

[hank]

not to hijack the thread but how do you guys think the mv agusta f4 750 spr compares to the rsvr. it is supposed to be the ultimate 750. 146 hp and a decently massaged motor compared to the rest of the 750 f4's in addition to a few other parts such as carbon bits and a nice suspension.

Other than the GSXR 750, I don't know of any other 750 I4 sport bike out there to compare it to. It has been a dead category for quite some time... too bad really as I always liked the power to weight of the capacity.

And IIRC, when the MV 750 came out it wasn't even close to the Japanese I4 600's of the day in terms of the overall performance package. Sure it looked good, but the chassis wasn't very good and the engine was a bit off, which is one of the reasons why MV switched to the full liter machine.

I used to ride with 2 people who had the MV 750 and neither kept it very long.

YMMV