clutchless upshift

[adam123]

hi, well just want to no is it safe really? i mean there are people thay say yes and people that say no...i know about 5bikers that have been doing it for at least 20 years each...and my dad did it for 12 years on the same bike and not one of them had a problem with there gear box...what do you guys do?

[RiejuR51]

clutch ALWAYS!

unless i miss gear and slip a false neutral, i then upshift without clutch

[Strid]

hi, well just want to no is it safe really? i mean there are people thay say yes and people that say no...i know about 5bikers that have been doing it for at least 20 years each...and my dad did it for 12 years on the same bike and not one of them had a problem with there gear box...what do you guys do?

Usually I use clutch, 95% of the time; just to not stress the gearbox. However, clutchless upshifts don't do much damage at all (if any even). Often people have troubles with hitting a false neutral between certain gears (I often have troubles between 5th and 6th). If you use clutchless upshift where you have troubles it can be an advantage to your driving as it often doesn't give you any false neutral gear.

Anyway, the RS50 isn't a bike that you want to last 20 years anyway, so I say if you want to do it, just do it. I'll make you stress the gearbox more to some extend, but I don't know if anyone ever completely smoked his gearbox by doing it. And if you gearbox really crapped out on you, it probably would have done so anyway. And again they are not that expensive and if you want to, you can change it yourself (thats what mopeds are all about - DIY!). :)
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[adam123]

GDTDI = Get Dad To Do It

[samRS]

I allways use the clutch when i shift just used to it and will always use it

The only time i dont shift with the clutch is when it slips into gear acciadently, i.e im revving it really high in a gear but dont actually intend to change up yet my foot seems to change up without me telling it to lol

only happened a few times

[RiejuR51]

And again they are not that expensive and if you want to, you can change it yourself (thats what mopeds are all about - DIY!). :)
my gearbox was a bastard to fit in right, never want to have to take that fucker out again!

Im still advising against doing so on a 50, if you've actually seen how small the gears are i think you'd reconsider (that wasnt aimed at you strid, i see youve done mods) but it puts un-nessecary stress on the gearebox, its not like i can clutchless upshift faster than i do ith the clutch so i see no need!

[Charles]

patrick insists the rs50 gearbo is so fragile and made of weak components that whilst it would do no harm on a bigger better made machine, the rs50 cant handle it regularly. i used to do it as part of my standard riding technique except 1st-2nd and 5th-6th, - got it real smooth, but hey, im willing to change my technique a little to ensure the gearbox lasts me...i did it for 1500 miles frequently on the rs50 without problems...

get fast with the clutch and the argument for doing it gradually falls down...(for average road riders who dont get race teams giving them a fresh gearbox weekly)...

[adam123]

good point mate....something ill only be doing when racing

[zEr0]

I used to do it quite alot, found that when clutchless up shifting the revs doesn't drop as much as when you change up with the clutch so if your racing with your mates clutchless is the way to go, just don't do it when down shifting but you have to have a good technique otherwise it will go pear shaped.

[pocket rocket]

I used to do it on my ts50 but i didn't care about it so i thought why not, but i wouldn't dare do it on my rs i've got it fast as it is so no need realy.

[Akenzie]

can anyone tell me 'how' to actually do this?

[Carl]

can anyone tell me 'how' to actually do this?

For a start only do it in high revs.

Maintain throttle, then when you want to change gear release the throttle a little, change up a gear, and then whack the throttle back full again. The faster done the better.

[williamr]

I hardly ever use the clutch to upshift, and often don't bother when downshifting. It's just a matter of easing the throttle a bit as you shift so that the load falls off the gearbox, and be gentle with the gear lever until you feel it go in.

That said, I don'r ride an RS50 regularly, so if Patrick believes that the gear box is fragile I've no reason to disagree with him.

Don't try downshifting in other than good dry surface conditions.

Rob

[zEr0]

Don't even try down shifting without the clutch at all if you want a smooth ride and not making it throw you forward

[adam123]

put pressure on your gear lever just before it would go up let off your throttle n it will slip into gear...been told thats the way to go

[Woodinator]

It's just not worth it IMO, but if you want to do it then no ones going to change your mind.

[zEr0]

I do it a lot to save wear on the clutch cable and when my clutch has burnt out from all them race starts :happy: :plus:

[Charles]

I do it a lot to save wear on the clutch cable and when my clutch has burnt out from all them race starts :happy: :plus:

6 clutches= price of a new gearbox. i know which id prefer to replace...


i think it does ahve its benefits, - certainly smoother a faster accelerating - less time allowing the revs to drop as someone just said, but if theres a slight chance itll damge the rs's gearbox, im not going to do it.

you can also shift down without the clutch but that can ahve much more uncertain results - especially with rs's pretty unsmooth gearbox. If you shut the throttle off completely gliding gently to a halt then if u "feel" the lever and feather it with really light pressure, it will usually go down smoothly when its ready but i dont make a habit of it for the reasons stated above...

[zEr0]

6 clutches= price of a new gearbox. i know which id prefer to replace...

Had no problems what so ever with my gearbox with 15,000 on the clock from new, depends whether you can perfect it or not I guess :rolleyes:

[Charles]

Had no problems what so ever with my gearbox with 15,000 on the clock from new, depends whether you can perfect it or not I guess :rolleyes:

thats what i said to patrick but he was having none of it! he said open up your gearbox and you will see the problems caused. i decided that taking it apart what be a bigger problem in itself!:rolleyes: