Bef Fraud

[Palfinger]

This is one of these occasions when you feel stupid, and totally remorseful
Almost two months ago I bought a semi-full system to BEF though bank transfer (:bangwall:). First of all I got in touch with this guy and he told me that the pipes were on stock, and the delivery time 2-5 days. I've got all the e-mails with all the previous communications with BEF regarding the purchasing. Since you can imagine, I've sending e-mails and calling BEF thousands of times without any response.

In this momment, this issue has been denounced to the technological police brigade here in spain as an internet fraud (obviously), and all the information has been given to them. They've told me that they will transfer the information to Interpol, as you should know, BEF is located in Belgium. The process could be slow, but they have guaranteed that with all the information they have, the matter will go ahead. I must be patient. I've sent a claim form thorough the European Consumer Center agaist BEF also, another way to proceed in these issues, and I'm studing the possibility to go straight to belgium police with the help of my family in Holland.

The other day, I sent a SMS to WIm (BEF owner or something like that) telling the steps I'm carrying out to claim my money (or the exhaust), and it was very funny when suddenly he called me back very upset, I din't hear what he wanted to tell me because I started shouting that the only thing I want from BEF is the purchasing in Spain asap.This is incredible.:gunner:

I warn all futura owners about this guy, be very careful and never buy him something except using paypal, or even more, never buy him anything.
I regret having to tell something so depressing, probably I should have consulted to this forum before buying the exhausts.
Sorry for my english.
Bye.

[Hansb]

Here must be some misunderstanding. I can not in any way imagine that Wim is responsible for this. When I bought my Befs more than two years ago, the payment in cash was sendt inside a Cd-cover as a letter. He called me back as soon as it arrived and shipped the package the same day.
This "special"was done because of the Norwegian Tax rules.....:happy:

[Jean-François]

There is a problem of delivery time only.
A friend of mine here in France ordered a pair cans (2005 august), and he had to wait some long weeks, he call many times and was afraid about his money.
At the end he received a semi-full system (pair of cans and h-pipe) from Wim to excuse himself about the delay.:cheers:
I'm sure there is no fraud.

[Jimbobvfr]

ok, so I've been on the list a while, and fairly new to the futura world and Bef's often responses. I flamed him a bit because I couldn't find a futura in Europe without all the gadamm taxes and? He wrote me back, sympathized with my issues, and wished me good luck with my purchase, true good-sported business(send it privately btw). So, with a "whopping" 3 posts someone is denouncing someone who has, as I can see, gone to a lot of trouble to help develop products for the now defunct Futura. Give me a fucking break! If I notified "INTERPOL"(MI3 material?) about the injustices presented to me, an American, living in europe? I'd have 'em on speed dial..

take a pill, relax, and stop slagging the guy, he's out there doing what others can only imagine doing - ex? the rear wheel cover, any complaints with that?
(Oh, and Bef, you owe me at least one Chimay blue for this)

[bullit in head]

I regret having to tell something so depressing, probably I should have consulted to this forum before buying the exhausts.



:confused:

I would of imagined if you consulted this forum you would have heard nothing but praises for Bef and Wim ( when they were together) many of us have bought there fine products and have not had a problem. and in fact Bef is still about on this forum and making little trinkets for our bikes.

I believe there was a parting some time ago so I dont know what the current situation is....


but when bef comes up with or designs something I want for my bike I will have no reservations about purchasing it from him......:burnout:






OR........ do we have a TROLL!?????





bullit

[clint64]

While I have not purchased exhausts from Bef, I have purchased other items. I have had no problems with my transactions. I understand that Bef is no longer in the exhaust side of the business. Were I in your position, I would have contacted Bef on the forum via PM and sought his help before making such a statement publicly. All in all it seems very unfair of you to air such items without first having tried all means to take care of the situation.

[stu]

I know for definite that Bef has no dealings anymore with the exhaust side of things but, as others have pointed out, he does still tinker with things now and then.

Palfinger - I sympathise with your situation and hope the outcome is the one you want but this is the very first time (to my knowledge) I have heard anything, other than praise, for the BEF Exhaust business. I would venture that your regretable situation is an isolated incident.

In fact, the more I think about it the more I don't believe you, we Brits call it "talking bollocks".

[beansoup]

I think bullit got it right. Thousands of phone calls? Interpol involvement? Nah, just a cranky loser trashing someone's reputation rather than trying to work things out? So, Bef, what's the story?

[ib12]

Sounds like the ranting of a lunatic. Where's the evidence and why wait 'til now before checking this forum. Malicous claims should not be aired on the forum without first checking with a gynaeocologist...:ban:

[The Fixer]

Bef is a righteous dude. Maybe the company he left is not.
If so they should stop using his name and dragging it through the mud. :pissed:
(Glad I got my plate relocator in time.)

[Befbever]

Were I in your position, I would have contacted Bef on the forum via PM and sought his help before making such a statement publicly.
I think I need to clear up a few things here. Palfinger (the name's Dani, like Pedrosa) did contact me via PM and explained the situation. This was a few weeks ago.

As you all know - except Jimbob maybe :) - I'm no longer in the exhaust business.
What Jean-François said is true. I got numerous phone calls - Wim doesn't speak French - from his friend and did all I could to get the matter resolved. In the end it was - and the guy was never angry with me personally - but this was the last straw for me.
"There's just so much you can do to hold it all together before you say 'fuck it' and walk away." That's a quote from someone on the forum who did the same very recently.

Palfinger knows I'm a righteous dude and meant no offense to me personally. He got in touch with me months before he bought and is now kicking himself he didn't buy while I was still doing the sales. I would have made sure he got his stuff. I always have.
Naming the company BEF was maybe not such a good idea after all. I knew this would come back to haunt me from time to time. :)

Wim (BEFexhausts' owner)'s is a friend of mine and although I haven't seen or heard from him in a while I'm not prepared to go stabbing him in the back. With me out of the picture, you order something, you take your chances. Paypal is the safest way to go. You don't get what you want in a reasonable period of time, you get your money back no problem.
Wim will not take your money and leave you with nothing intentionally. It's just his way. He's kinda laidback.

Everybody who's ever dealt with me for a purchase at Befexhausts in the past, posters or lurkers, US citizens, Brits, Frenchies, Germans, Norwegians, Fins, Czecks, Ozzies, Kiwis, Dutch, everybody knows my name is Hugo and I've always helped out best I could. No-one in the two years has ever blamed me for things going wrong.

I think that's all I can say on the matter.

[mgtx73]

I think the problem here is everyone is defending you Bef and everyone here thinks Palfinger is calling you (Bef) out as a fraud when in actuality Palfinger is upset at BEF (notice the capital letters he consistently used in his post) the company which then translates to being upset with Wim. Unfortunately he didn't capitalize "Bef" in "Bef Fraud" which is the title of this thread.

So, everyone take a chill pill. I think Palfinger is using reasonable judgement and warning everyone of what we've been told before. Bef isn't with BEF anymore so you are on your own. I would proabably do the same as Palfinger. I'd want my stuff to me ASAP if I paid money too.

[Befbever]

Damn I could have made my post as short as yours then?

:bangwall: So much typing while I could have made it so much simpler.... :bangwall:

:)

[mgtx73]

Damn I could have made my post as short as yours then?

:bangwall: So much typing while I could have made it so much simpler.... :bangwall:

:)


Yes, you could have. :blah:

I took care of that for you. :cheers: :burnout:


PALFINGER,
Edit the thread if you can to capital letters "BEF (company) Fraud". It might help clear things up, unless of course you are mad at Bef too. :soap:

[Befbever]

Thanks. I owe you one and Jimbob still gets a Chimay. :)
:cheers:

[scott2ride]

The other day, I sent a SMS to WIm ... suddenly he called me back very upset, I din't hear what he wanted to tell me because I started shouting that the only thing I want from BEF is the purchasing in Spain asap.This is incredible.:gunner:


EDIT:April 6th: I have added this info to the end of this thread, however I thought I would re-insert it here for those who are reading this from the beginning...

Palfinger I finally spoke to Wim (From BEF Exhausts) about this.

He agreed that he was guilty of not replying to your messages promptly. But that you asked for the system to be sent direct to your Dealer, not to you.

And you supplied the Dealers details for the systen to be shipped to. This was done just like you asked.

In the meantime you moved to live in another town and the box with your exhaust in it was received by your dealer and had been sitting there for about 2 weeks before this post was put on the forum.

If you havent contacted the dealer that it was being sent to I suggest you do as I guess it is still there.

However Wim was sorry there was confusion over this and sorry you didnt realise the dealer had it.




By now it should be clear that BEF Exhausts (the company) is owned by Wim and it is not the same as BefBever (Hugo).

But thats not really the issue is it. The issue is you ordered and paid for an exhaust and havent received it yet. That sucks.

But I really can not understand how, when Wim finally DOES CALL YOU BACK, you yell and shout at him to the extent that you didnt even get to hear what he had to say (and I quote you above). Christ man, he finally called you so why didnt you use the oppertunity to hear things from him directly and maybe even to RESOLVE the problem with Wim giving you a refund or sending you the pipes :bangwall:

Look, it really does suck to feel like you have been ripped off. But if you had talked to him sensibly when he called you, then maybe you would have the pipes or money back by now.:blah:

I have delt with Wim on numerous accasions and also friends of mine have bought from him without any problems, and we are on the other side of the world in New Zealand and Australia. I would deal with him again and I DO RECCOMMEND WIM and BEF Exhausts to eveyone I know.

Quite frankly I think he has one of the best products around, and also very reasonably priced exhausts.

BUT... since Hugo moved on and left BEF Exhausts at the end of last year Wim has not been very good with replying to emails. In fact he is slack at replying to emails. And thats even when he wants something himself he is still useless at replying to emails. Wim is an engineer and craftsman who builds Exhausts. He's not good with a PC and seldom even checks his emails. In fact half the time he has problems even getting his emails to download.

So if you sent him email complaints or enquities then Im not surprissed he didnt reply. He STILL probably hasnt seen them.

If he had seen your emails then I'm betting he would have replied to you, just like he did when he received your SMS txt message. If he is guilty of anything it is that he is not very good at administration or followup.

But I have tested his pipes and they rock.

I will continue to reccommend BEF Exhausts and Wim to everyone and I am certain he will sort you out now that he is fully aware. Just dont yell at him if he calls you again and let him sort it out.

Remember, he doesnt speak english very well and neither do you, you both dont speak the same language and no doubt much will be lost in translation between what you mean to say or write, and he means to say or write... and what both of you thinks the other one has said.

But the bottom line is that you have every right to be upset. Let him talk if he calls again and I would bet that Wim will sort it for you. He may even throw in somthing for your trouble.

[Arkansawyer]

Sounds like terrible customer service to me. Seems like w/o Bef his business it going to go down the shitter. Doesn't matter how well your product is if you can't deliver the goods.:soap:

If this guy doesn't know how to use email and thats how his customers are trying to communicate with him seems Wim's the one that's got the problem. He might want to fix his business or it sounds like he might not have it much longer.

......of course I'm an impatient asshole.:)

[scott2ride]

You are right of course. :bump:

[Dan]

Well, not quite... so I'll give the benefit of the doubt, and will say this: Even if the parts are in the mail, it can take WAY longer than one expects for parts to arrive cross-border. At least that's my experience getting both registered and unregistered mail across the border in and out of Canada, a total distance of under 100 miles. It took a full 2 weeks... and that's mail, not a package. I'm not sure if this applies to border crossings inside the EU, but please consider it.

Also, I'd give anyone who was or still is the friend and or business partner of the Bef here on the board even more benefit of doubt.

So, chill and be patient, Pal. You're asking for a very limited production part from a very small company with few employees (I think). Lots can go wrong if even one of those employees has a personal issue requiring time off or is distracted by personal issues. IMO, you did WAY WRONG by siccing the authorities on this poor guy.

OTOH, I feel your frustration.

[angrybob]

I too can draw the distinction between Hugo "Bef" and the company www.befexhausts.net:

The company -

I have been trying to buy a fender eliminator kit and have had no contact in a week. Are they still selling this piece?

I cannot successfully order the part via their website because the Paypal checkout system does not work (for me at least).

Bef: Can you help a brother out???

My email is angrybob AT motorcyclebloggers DOT com...can you have them contact me?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Bef (Hugo) -

Bob, I'll try and contact them but I'm not making any promises.
If you order via the website and pay in advance and not receive anything or hear from anyone in weeks, this will only make you Angry.

If all else fails, I'll make you one myself or show you how to do it. It's not that hard.
followed by -

Well it's been a fruitful day for Bobs all around the world.

In one of my brighter moments today (I do get those, tho rarely), I remembered my dealer had one of those plate relocators in his shop for months. So I just bought that one for you, Angrybob.
I got a little discount as it was priced higher so you can have it at the same price as Befexhausts sell it. Plus shipping of course.
It's a non-powdercoated one, stainless steel so should go well with your Staintunes. I'll even polish it for you if you like!

I'll look for a box and packing material this weekend and run to the post office on Monday. Drop me an email for payment and address please.


...and fellas, he buffed out a good portion of the kit on his own time.

I think we see a pattern here. I am glad all of this is clear(er) now. I don't know Hugo from a hole in the wall. What I do know is that he did me a huge favor and I owe him one.

[Palfinger]

I'm terribly sorry if there is some confusion, of course I mean BEF Company, and I'm not telling something about anyone of this forum.
By the other hand let me explain you something: Wim told me in his first e-mail that the delivery time of the pipes was 2-5 days, on stock...why?? I'm been waiting for two months, you should agree with me that this is very suspect, this was the first lie.
I've calling him so many times, one of them he finally picked up the phone, and he told me "this week the pipes will be in spain"......this happened one month ago, second lie.
I'm sure he has my telephone number, and he knows I'm very angry with this issue, but he never respond to my calls, nevertheless, he calls me automatically after I send him the SMS threatening with the police (it's real not only a threat). He told me again the same, the exhaust is ready to go, this was two weeks ago and I'm still waiting.... I'm sorry but I'm not stupid.

This is very simple, if you sell something by internet, be honest, don't tell lies, call me and inform to your customer. I don't know this guy, for me is only an internet address and a telephone number, these are all my references.
My intention is only inform to other Futura owners, believe me that anyone of you would like to be in my skin, I've paid 1000 euros for nothing.
Thanks

[RobC]

I've got to agree with Palfinger on this one, from his version of things he has paid out in advance for items not supplied. All his conversations with Wim have said the item is in stock and just needs to be posted. Two months later, they're still in stock and still waiting to be posted. What would any of you do in his situation, just write off €1000?
Isn't this sort of thing the whole reason for the existance of Interpol? INTernational POLice? They don't only deal with international drug cartels.
Wim needs to get his finger out, that's the bottom line. If he can't do it himself, then he needs an assistant to run the public facing side of the business.

By the way Palfinger, whereabouts in Spain are you, lets have some photos.

[Speedy]

I would have gone to Belgium to pick them up myself , me impatience little pr*ck i am :bump: :bond:

I get impatience when nothing in the mail after two weeks but two months !!!!:bangwall: :eek: i'd go crazy as well:mad:

[Palfinger]

By the way Palfinger, whereabouts in Spain are you, lets have some photos.

I live in Toledo, a very old and beautiful city, but very boring, some photos here:
http://www.coloredhome.com/toledo/toledo.htm

I'm moving to other place soon, my job forces me to change residence every year.
And this is in Cheste,motoGP last november:
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/203/im0003151po.jpg
The bike is just on the right, you can't see it. And this is the bike in Valencia the same day..
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4935/im0003073jb.jpg

[Dan]

I'm not going to reread to find out if he has your money, but if not, can't you just cancel the order and buy a different pipe? If he does have your money, cancel the order and get a refund. Here in the states, if you pay by credit card, the credit card company will allow you to obtain refund if you explain the situation. If this does not apply.... ??? Dunno.... but there's only so much to be gained by discussing here except having the assebled Futuristas make suggestions.

BTW, thanks for the clarification above.

[clint64]

Thanks for the clarification. Good luck with getting the issue resolved.

You do live in a beautiful city. Also welcome to the board.

Clint

[mgtx73]

I'm terribly sorry if there is some confusion, of course I mean BEF Company, and I'm not telling something about anyone of this forum.
By the other hand let me explain you something: Wim told me in his first e-mail that the delivery time of the pipes was 2-5 days, on stock...why?? I'm been waiting for two months, you should agree with me that this is very suspect, this was the first lie.
I've calling him so many times, one of them he finally picked up the phone, and he told me "this week the pipes will be in spain"......this happened one month ago, second lie.
I'm sure he has my telephone number, and he knows I'm very angry with this issue, but he never respond to my calls, nevertheless, he calls me automatically after I send him the SMS threatening with the police (it's real not only a threat). He told me again the same, the exhaust is ready to go, this was two weeks ago and I'm still waiting.... I'm sorry but I'm not stupid.

This is very simple, if you sell something by internet, be honest, don't tell lies, call me and inform to your customer. I don't know this guy, for me is only an internet address and a telephone number, these are all my references.
My intention is only inform to other Futura owners, believe me that anyone of you would like to be in my skin, I've paid 1000 euros for nothing.
Thanks

Palfinger,
It's a shame you paid him first though in good faith and still have nothing to show for it. Now we know who not to deal with. He is basically not meeting the expectation set by his email. He has no reason to be upset, he created this situation. I know a few people on here have dealt with Wim and they are ok with the delay in getting their merchandise. I think this is fine except the expectation is not being met. If it's not then he should give you your money back.

Don't let the posts here bother you either. I think a majority of them think you were bad mouthing Hugo, also known as Bef. "BEF" the company is who you are upset at. I think it's more clear now what has happened based on what you have said and what Bef (Hugo) has added.

If AF1 did this to us here you know they wouldn't have any business and this forum would be the place to tell them. Good thing for us they take care of us. :) Hopefully you can resolve this and get your money back or maybe you will get an exhaust system.

Let us know what happens.

[RobC]

I live in Toledo, a very old and beautiful city, but very boring, some photos here:
http://www.coloredhome.com/toledo/toledo.htm

I'm moving to other place soon, my job forces me to change residence every year.
And this is in Cheste,motoGP last november:


Last year for the first time I flew out to Valencia for the MotoGP, otherwise there could have been 2 futuri in the car park. I'm sorry to say I've never ventured far inland in Spain, normaly I just stick to the east coast.
Toledo cetainly looks an interesting place for visitors, yet another city to add to the 'must visit one day' list.

[Befbever]

Well I'm glad that's settled. Apart from Palfinger getting his stuff...


If he does have your money, cancel the order and get a refund.
Palfinger paid by bank transfer. Not easy getting your money back that way. At least I think so.

[scott2ride]

Now that Ive heard the story in more detail I have to agree that Wim is being a slack bastard and you should have got your pipes or a refund long ago.

I will contact him myself today and see if I can help encourage him to sort it for you immediately. No promises, but all I can do is put some additional pressure on him..... and I have a lot of business to give him (which he knows), so hopefully that will be some motivation. :rolleyes:

Having said that, he shouldnt need motivation to get this sorted. I must say I am disappointed. Though I dont believe he is trying to rip you off... it is more likely he was just to disorganised and hadnt sorted himself out after Hugo (BEFBever) left.

PS. Hugo is also a trouble maker and will insist on drinking your beer and getting you drunk. So beware if you happen to meet him :) :D

[Exdukenut]

PS. Hugo is also a trouble maker and will insist on drinking your beer and getting you drunk. So beware if you happen to meet him :) :D

Phewwww, there Scott! :) I thought you were talking about me there for a moment or two! :D :D :D :D

:cool:

[scott2ride]

Phewwww, there Scott! :) I thought you were talking about me there for a moment or two! :D :D :D :D :cool:

Opps.... did I type "Hugo" ? Sorry... I meant to say 'Leigh!' :cheers:

PS. Hey Leigh, do you have any pics of the exhaust hanger Hugo made for you?

PPS. My son is now officially named after you!!!! .... Fully endorsed by the wife!!!!!










Which I surposed means we could have called him "Piss Head" or something similar! :cheers:

[Exdukenut]

You should've ask Bef, what I'm like as a guest, I supose, before offering your hospitaility so freely! :) :) :D See you late next week!

Cool, re the name! :) :)

Piss head, wanker, any of those probably would have been good enough names! :D :D :D

:cool:

[scott2ride]

he will probably get called thoise things anyway.

Looking forward to you coming over for a ride here in God's Own!

The C110 is fuelled and waiting for you!

[Palfinger]

I will contact him myself today and see if I can help encourage him to sort it for you immediately. No promises, but all I can do is put some additional pressure on him..... and I have a lot of business to give him (which he knows), so hopefully that will be some motivation. :rolleyes:

Having said that, he shouldnt need motivation to get this sorted. I must say I am disappointed. Though I dont believe he is trying to rip you off... it is more likely he was just to disorganised and hadnt sorted himself out after Hugo (BEFBever) left.


Thanks a lot for your support Scott :worship: . Hugo has been very nice with me from the beginning, but unfortunately I didn't buy the exhausts on time when he was still working for Wim.
It's strange because reading the posts of those who knows Wim, he doesn't seem that typical kind of guy dedicated to defrauding everybody.

[Powerful Pierre]

Last year for the first time I flew out to Valencia for the MotoGP, otherwise there could have been 2 futuri in the car park. I'm sorry to say I've never ventured far inland in Spain, normaly I just stick to the east coast.
Toledo cetainly looks an interesting place for visitors, yet another city to add to the 'must visit one day' list.

You don't know what you're missing Rob!
Some fabulous empty roads thro' central Spain......Toledo and the area, Segovia, Avilla, Salamanca are all spectacular cities.......wasn't sure when I first started travelling there but now I'm convinced its the best Euro country to travel thro' on a bike now.......quality, empty tarmac, cheap accomodation, food & beer/wine, cheap petrol and the country generally has a good 'vibe' about it...........its on the up whereas the UK, France etc seem to be in decline.
Will probably be heading that way in the summer!

[RobC]

PP, why do I never have enough annual leave? The worst thing about Spain is having to go through France to get there. Even Benidorm has it's amusing points, such as watching Brits abroad trying to get a taste of Spain without missing there (several) pints of Banks' best. Not that I'd like to stay more than overnight there

[Befbever]

PS. Hugo is also a trouble maker and will insist on drinking your beer and getting you drunk. So beware if you happen to meet him
In Exdukenut's case, I didn't have to insist on either. :p:

Just be sure the fridge is full, Scott. That's the only thing that's important to him. :D

[FutIsle]

I too can vouch for Hugo. He is a helpful, honest, bald guy.

[Befbever]

God gave some people a perfectly shaped head.

He gave the others hair.


:p:

[scott2ride]

What is it that women say about bald men????

Oh, thats right.....



.... they make the best 'friends'....


Something to do with small penises and zero love making skills.

Christ... does that mean Im going to go bald????:confused:

[Befbever]

Something to do with small penises and zero love making skills.

Christ... does that mean Im going to go bald????
Not necessarily.
Sounds like you have enough to worry about already. :p:

[FutIsle]

I have a full head of hair, currently. Unfortunately I am unable to practice my love making skills (mores the pity) as I am recuperating from an emergency operation to repair a sudden and extremely painful "epigastric hernia". This also means no riding a bike for a few weeks either.

However, I would be prepared to loose some of my love-making skills and keep my hair as I have always looked a complete prat in hats.

Is this sufficient derail yet?

[Speedy]

Here's to a speedy recovery Trev':cheers:

[Befbever]

However, I would be prepared to loose some of my love-making skills and keep my hair as I have always looked a complete prat in hats.

Is this sufficient derail yet?
I wish you a speedy recovery from one of your many 'old age' ailments too, Trevor.

Love-making skills eh? That's just the sort of boasting I'll talk to Louise about next time we meet. :p:

By the way, it's not the hats. :)

[RobC]

By the way, it's not the hats. :)

:funnypost :funnypost :funnypost

Sorry to here about the op Trev, but the weather's crap so you wouldn't want to ride anyway.


Ooops, forgot - you're on the IOM, the weathers ALWAYS crap!:kidding:

[FutIsle]

Bef,

Looks like I am going to be single in the very near future :crybaby: but that is, it seems, the way it goes. I am trying to look on the bright side of it. In the circumstances, my hair is more precious than the love-making part of the equation. That seals the deal then.

The old-age ailment you refer to was the most painful event I have had to endure for years. Worse than falling offf a bike. I am well on the way to being mended. Thanks for the best wishes chaps.

[Befbever]

Bef,

Looks like I am going to be single in the very near future :crybaby: but that is, it seems, the way it goes. I am trying to look on the bright side of it. In the circumstances, my hair is more precious than the love-making part of the equation. That seals the deal then.

The old-age ailment you refer to was the most painful event I have had to endure for years. Worse than falling offf a bike. I am well on the way to being mended. Thanks for the best wishes chaps.
I'm very sorry to hear that, Trevor.
Disregard my earlier comments please....:(

[Speedy]

I'm very sorry to hear that, Trevor

Me too:eek:

[beansoup]

Turns out you can't spend the damn things anymore, not even in Belgium! They only take Euros now, the thieving Flemish/Waloon B@&t@rds...

[Befbever]

:)

Mr.Soup is referring to the old Belgian Francs, our former currency. We don't only take Euros though. Dollars are fine too, as long as you respect the exchange rate. :D

[ib12]

I am going to be single in the very near future :crybaby:

Sorry to hear that :( Hope it's not too painful. You probably have some mixed feelings at the moment but I hope we are able to brighten your days with ireverent banter and more important issues like, do you use your side or centre stand when parked up?

[Powerful Pierre]

PP, why do I never have enough annual leave? The worst thing about Spain is having to go through France to get there. Even Benidorm has it's amusing points, such as watching Brits abroad trying to get a taste of Spain without missing there (several) pints of Banks' best. Not that I'd like to stay more than overnight there

There's always the long ferries to Santander & Bilbao Rob........can be a bit expensive at peak times but weigh up against fuel, accomodation etc thro' France and its not so bad.....

I thought baldness was 'headboard rash'

Good derail this BTW........:cheers:

[scott2ride]

Hey Palfinger Im very sorry but I totally forgot to call Wim in Belguim over the last 4-5 days as I've been busy as hell. I tried last night but he did not answer the phone and it was probably a bit early in the morning for him to be at work. Im sending him an email now.

Im sure he will sort you out as he is actually a very fair guy, just very busy and a little disorganised in the administration side of things.

Cheers

[Palfinger]

Hey Palfinger Im very sorry but I totally forgot to call Wim in Belguim over the last 4-5 days as I've been busy as hell. I tried last night but he did not answer the phone and it was probably a bit early in the morning for him to be at work. Im sending him an email now.

Im sure he will sort you out as he is actually a very fair guy, just very busy and a little disorganised in the administration side of things.

Cheers

Are you calling him from New Zealand???? Have you ever buy him something from there??
Thanks again Scott http://2ni2.com/emoticon/humor/risarebotando2.gif I don¡t call him because he never answers me.

[Befbever]

Are you calling him from New Zealand????
Yes they have telephones there nowadays.
Some regions even have running water and electricity. :p:

Scott bought stuff from Wim after futile attempts to make his own exhausts out of chicken wire and duct tape. They just kept melting! :p:

[scott2ride]

Yes they have telephones there nowadays.
Some regions even have running water and electricity. :p:

Scott bought stuff from Wim after futile attempts to make his own exhausts out of chicken wire and duct tape. They just kept melting! :p:

Cheeky bastard! :D

There is nothing wrong with getting water from the well I dug with my bare hands in the back of our property!:mad:

And my chicken wire muffler was very very successful, however I received several tickets due to chicken shit spraying on cop cars so had to remove it from the bike. Hmmm, come to think of it, maybe I should have removed the chickens as well?:confused:

Palfinger, yes I am calling Wim from New Zealand and Yes I have a couple of things from BEF Exhausts, the most relavent of which is a Full system for the 04 RSV.

[FutIsle]

Bef, what are you on about? I never made any exhausts out of duct tape and chicken wire. I just bought a second hand pair of Befs. I ordered them one day and martin fennel had them at my front door about 3 days later. I had no complaints. Good price too!

[Befbever]

Hmmm, come to think of it, maybe I should have removed the chickens as well?


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Sorry Trev: futile, not Futisle.:)

[scott2ride]

:funnypost
:funnypost
Sorry Trev: futile, not Futisle.:)

He he :cheers:

[scott2ride]

I finally spoke to Wim (From BEF Exhausts) about this Palfinger

He agreed that he was guilty of not replying to your messages promptly. But that you asked for the system to be sent direct to your Dealer, not to you.

And you supplied the Dealers details for the systen to be shipped to. This was done just like you asked.

In the meantime you moved to live in another town and the box with your exhaust in it was received by your dealer and had been sitting there for about 2 weeks before this post was put on the forum.

If you havent contacted the dealer that it was being sent to I suggest you do as I guess it is still there.

However Wim was sorry there was confusion over this and sorry you didnt realise the dealer had it.

[Speedy]

Although i've got nothing to do with it ...........thanks Scott:worship: , makes you wonder why things become more difficult then they should be:confused:

[Palfinger]

I finally spoke to Wim (From BEF Exhausts) about this Palfinger

He agreed that he was guilty of not replying to your messages promptly. But that you asked for the system to be sent direct to your Dealer, not to you.

And you supplied the Dealers details for the systen to be shipped to. This was done just like you asked.

In the meantime you moved to live in another town and the box with your exhaust in it was received by your dealer and had been sitting there for about 2 weeks before this post was put on the forum.

If you havent contacted the dealer that it was being sent to I suggest you do as I guess it is still there.

However Wim was sorry there was confusion over this and sorry you didnt realise the dealer had it.

Scott I've been talking with my dealer every week, and they say they haven't got them.
This is a nightmare.. I send you a private message, I don't want to bore the other forum members.
Thanks for your help.

[Dan]

Soap operas are never boring. :soap:

[scott2ride]

Didnt I see a great deal for half price BEF exhausts from your dealer about a month ago?:bump:

After another wee chat with Wim it seems you and Wim have corrosponded and he is checking with the carrier to see what they did with them.

As I understand it he will supply another set if they have lost them and if so he will bring them himself when he goes to Madrid in the next week or so.

Good luck... what a bugger!!!

I had a package that was sent mid December from the US and I got it about 3 weeks ago. Go figure!

[scott2ride]

Palfinger HAS the pipes!!!!!! And Wim from BEF Exhausts did not try and rip him off.

It turns out the pipes DID go to the dealer, but apparantly there was confusion over which dealershit (not a typo :D ) the courier took it to.

Message below...


GOOD NEWS!!
We've been finding out the problem. My dealer has been asking to another workshop and THE EXHAUSTS HAVE APPEAR (actually they've been calling to all the shops in Toledo), so the transport company made a mistake and gave the package to the wrong dealer(the name is similar).
Thanks for your support, your information has been very useful :cheers: and finally Wim has helped a lot as well.
Bye bye.