Mille SP for Road Use?

[molan]

Umm, just seen an SP for sale & it looks yummy!

I don't really know much about these & the search engine here won't let me search just for "SP" because I need three letters to search on.

So what's the verdict on these?

Can I ride one on the road OK or are the race parts just too over the top for regular use?

Been looking at an '03 "R" & the SP is a fair bit more expensive but as they only made 150 of them I thought it might be worth the money?

Maybe impossible to service & get parts for as well?

[chrman]

Someone on this forum has an SP but I forget who. It is definitely street-legal.

If I had the bucks, I'd go for one. But, then again, I'm cheap.

[chrman]

Check this thread out - SP#128 is the guy with the SP...

http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=16719&perpage=15&highlight=members%20gallery&pagenumber=13

[Ricky J]

Some have said that pieces are harder to come by and that would make sense, being that Aprilia made only about 150 or so.

Even so I'd LOVE to have one!

http://www.armyofdarkness.com/1999/rsvsp/aprilia.htm

[molan]

Are those stock wheels fitted on the SP?

I'm surprised they didn't fit Oz or Marchesini?

[Ed / AF1 Racing]

the SP came with the standard Mille base model rims (non-OZ) installed. Cast aluminum.

Buy the SP for what is is....a rare unique bike that will probably never go up in value.

They are not any faster in stock form than a regular Mille. Same exact HP.

Nobody makes anything aftermarket for the SP motor, which is quite different than a std mille motor. Pipes will have to be custom (the head pipes use 4 bolts like the 2004 RSVR has). EPROM will also have to be custom.

SP Parts?? If you need a specific SP part, probably be prepared to wait.....most of the regular Mille parts would work, but some do not.

[molan]

Just looking for something that's really fun & maybe a little different from the "crowd".

Shame about the wheels tho, I used to run Oz wheels on my Falco & really liked them.

The red ones on the Nera are pretty cool too :D

The bike I've seen is about $16K and it's effectively a new bike - never been registered for the road.

A "new" ('03 model) R is around £14.5K so the price comparison seems to be in favour of the SP.

[DimSTriple]

Mille SP is a colectors bike, not for everyday use, it's pitty using it as any other bike, if you have money buy it too, put it in you garage and use it once a month for a "different" ride... that's what I think and that's what I would do. :)

I suggest you go for a 01-03 Mille R. It is also a "different" bike from any other bike.

I think SP will deffenetly have a lot of value in a few years.

[molan]

Just found another one for sale $11,000 - seems like a good price and has the Oz wheels too, also a Playstation paint job.

Showing 4k miles which seems amazing for the age.

Has obviously had some work done to it - probably makes it more "desirable" but less "collectible"!

[Davenet]

Found 'another' what? Mille or SP?

That's not a SP.

[millemille]

Could be wrong but that looks like an adjustable swingarm pivot.

Didn't the SP have that along with an adjustable head angle?

Anorak to the extreme.....

[Smoke Eater]

That looks like an '01 Mille with shotgun cans and some stickers. A great bike but not an SP and not worth $11,000.

[molan]

Official dealer listing for this bike says:

APRILIA RSV 1000 SP 1000CC , 2000 , 4,500 miles, Play Station Two Team Colours. PFM 6 Pot Calipers & Adjustable Master Cylinders, Gilles Rear Sets, Meta Immobolizer, Adjustable Engine/Swingarm position and Steering Angle, Full Ohlins, Magnisium Oz Wheels.

Maybe it's some kinda hybrid that's been put together from a crash victim!

[capt coconut]

Official dealer listing for this bike says:

APRILIA RSV 1000 SP 1000CC , 2000 , 4,500 miles, Play Station Two Team Colours. PFM 6 Pot Calipers & Adjustable Master Cylinders, Gilles Rear Sets, Meta Immobolizer, Adjustable Engine/Swingarm position and Steering Angle, Full Ohlins, Magnisium Oz Wheels.

Maybe it's some kinda hybrid that's been put together from a crash victim!


I agree it has an SP frame as the insert in the swingarm pivet is there as is the 'red' rear caliper, But it has 01 bodywork and tank but is sprayed in 03 colours(shiny tank)
Maybe an Ebay special? The givaway is the ohlins fork tops are different on an SP (2 blue nuts on pre-load if I remember) and of course the top yoke has an SP ltd # on it

[molan]

Dealer claims is #142 - as stamped on the yoke.

I wonder if it's been dropped and new bodywork fitted?

[farva03R]

see if you can get the vin #. i believe a couple people here on the forum can run aprilia vins to see what that beast really is-or what it was originally. goodluck.

[capt coconut]

Dealer claims is #142 - as stamped on the yoke.

I wonder if it's been dropped and new bodywork fitted?


New bodywork AND new tank Cos the 01 and SP tanks are diff in shape as well as material (00/1 R is plastic, 00 SP is aluminium, Normal RSV is steel)

Maybe its an 01 'built' onto an SP frame, yoke and Engine.
Has it got 'red' glow clocks or green? red for 01 and green 00
The exhaust looks like the SP from what i can see, the Ti hanger would have RSV SP embossed on it.

[clarkie49]

something is just not right about that bike, i would stay the hell away from it :(

[molan]

The detective work continues!

Dealer has confirmed that it's a full '01 body kit - I've asked for Vin number & a few other facts to confirm identity further.

Any "distinguishing marks" that would prove the engine is from an SP?

[clarkie49]

I wouldnt buy an SP that has been touched in any way let alone having a different set of bodywork on it, the SP was a milestone in the history of Aprilia and I would want to get one that is original :)

[bandicoot]

Still might be a nice bike to just ride, instead of collecting

[Bill in OKC]

Any "distinguishing marks" that would prove the engine is from an SP?

The SP heads had 4 bolts to attach the headers, the standard engine had three bolts.

[molan]

I'm certainly looking at this bike as a "rider" rather than a "collector". I'm in the UK and used RSV-R prices over here hover around the $10,000 and upwards.

This particular one is probably around the price of a similar condition R model, maybe $500 more at most.

The VIN number is ZD4MED000XS000142.

Engine number is R0525446.

The shocks do indeed have the two blue nuts and the clocks glow green.

It does have an '01 resin tank from a "regular" RSV although the dealer is offering an '00 tank from an R as an exchange (he says R's have resin tanks as well?)

The Ti hanger doesn't have SP on it and is tubular.

It does have the full complement of four header bolts as well!

[clarkie49]

I'm certainly looking at this bike as a "rider" rather than a "collector".

then you should get a left over 2004 RSV-R Factory, more power, better handling, better brakes, you get a 2 year unlimited warrantee and you can get parts for it ;)

[molan]

then you should get a left over 2004 RSV-R Factory, more power, better handling, better brakes, you get a 2 year unlimited warrantee and you can get parts for it ;)

The cheapest of these I've seen is going for close to $15,000 (and that's an '03 as opposed to an '04).

The difference in price would pay for a lot of parts - or even fuel at our inflated prices!

[capt coconut]

I didnt realise you were UK

The 'only' place I know to SP's serviced is Frank Wrathell near carlisle (i think?) you cant just take them to any dealer as they need special service tools
Try rsvr.net and email paul bridgland, he had an SP that was tricked up with radial forks from the 03 and OZ wheels etc
He will put you straight!
IMHO with that bike you will get all the downfalls (expensive to service, insure, parts are a pain for the engine, no more power than a normal R)
And few of the good bits (aluminium tank, originality! everybody going ooh its an SP)
I would either go fo an SP, original style or get a cheaper R and get the twin exhaust system and PC3 spend on getting the suspension set up and pay for lots of trackdays!!!!!

[Gerrit]

I doubt this is an SP.

The SP was build in 1999!!

The SP had RED brakes. This discs were normal steel in stead of .. what happened to those brakes????

The SP was black in 1999 trim.

The wheels look like Magnesium!! Nice but expensive and these wheels must be checked (x-rayed) at least every year!!

I would stay away from this bike.

Gerrit

[molan]

Having spoken to the current owner of this bike I think I've established that it's essentially in very good condition.

Basic facts seem to be that it's an SP frame, engine, suspension, forks etc but with a complete new body kit and wheels from an RSV-R.

He dosen't know why this work was carried out but it feels to me like it's been crashed and needed a lot of new parts. Whoever crashed it decided that he wanted to fit the "flashier" bodywork and the Oz wheels etc.

To be honest, I can see the temptation to do this but, as a potential "collector's item", the modifications mean it's worth a lot less.

I think that it's not the bike for me but I'll certainly keep my eyes open for a "genuine" SP.




Might have a go at negotiating heavily with the owner of this one tho - might be a hoot to ride for the summer!

[v60]

Who said the SP has the same Hp than standard Mille?
Here is mine , the engine is stock, only 57mm throttle and a good Power Commander adjusting.
The maps show power at rear wheel(139 hp), 158hp engine.

[hank]

then you should get a left over 2004 RSV-R Factory, more power, better handling, better brakes, you get a 2 year unlimited warrantee and you can get parts for it ;)

:plus: Hell, you don't need to be Clarkie to realise that head to head, the 2004 bike is a better machine than the SP. A lot has developed since 1999/2000....

[Ricky J]

Thank you for the dynochart postings, V60! For some of us "old school" Aprilia tifosi the SP remains an ultimate expression.

Please post more pictures of your RSV-SP.

[v60]

Wich kind of dyno did use Clarckie? There is a lot of difference on different dyno.
My SP (s/n 68) curves are made on a dynojet 250, a 2004 RSV stock has 121 hp at rear wheel on this dyno.

[v60]

I eard about an german RSV that was equipped with complete Clarckie Kit, and it seem that the power (on european standard) is about 130/135 HP.
Here is a new dyno curve of my SP, and I'll get a new one soon :happy:.
SP kicks all :bump:

[v60]

Some pictures of RSV SP

[v60]

Want more?

[fblader1]

I have recently been looking to buy a mille 'r' when i came across an sp last week on ebay (auction due to end 16th jan 2006) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2000-APRILIA-RED-BLACK_W0QQitemZ4603512703QQcategoryZ9913QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem. After emailing the chap to indeed query the state of the bike with misc parts etc and to ask which number it was he came back to me and sid it is no 142. The very same bike in question earlier here dating back to 2004. Cant believe it! Although it told him i was very interested i'm yet to hear back after 4 days... my loss or his i'm wondering????

[chrman]

I have recently been looking to buy a mille 'r' when i came across an sp last week on ebay (auction due to end 16th jan 2006) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2000-APRILIA-RED-BLACK_W0QQitemZ4603512703QQcategoryZ9913QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem. After emailing the chap to indeed query the state of the bike with misc parts etc and to ask which number it was he came back to me and sid it is no 142. The very same bike in question earlier here dating back to 2004. Cant believe it! Although it told him i was very interested i'm yet to hear back after 4 days... my loss or his i'm wondering????

Hate to rain on your parade, bro, but that's an '02 Haga rep, not an SP. The Haga bikes were also numbered, thus the 142.

That auction looks a tad phony to me.

[Ally V60]

I have recently been looking to buy a mille 'r' when i came across an sp last week on ebay (auction due to end 16th jan 2006) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2000-APRILIA-RED-BLACK_W0QQitemZ4603512703QQcategoryZ9913QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem. After emailing the chap to indeed query the state of the bike with misc parts etc and to ask which number it was he came back to me and sid it is no 142. The very same bike in question earlier here dating back to 2004. Cant believe it! Although it told him i was very interested i'm yet to hear back after 4 days... my loss or his i'm wondering????

Not sure what it is, if it was a Haga rep then surely it would not have a red rear caliper? They certainly didn't come with Gilles rear sets, and its not 00 body work the decflectors look like they were added as after thought. But it does look a nice bike but not £6000 worth.

[fblader1]

I work at a honda dealership and we had a mille 'r' chopped in at the weekend. It's a 52 plate with 9k on clock, part stickered with haga kit (not got 41 on rear seat unit). Had it hpi'd etc and checked over by the bike boys..... all seems ok (leaky fork seal is the only problem) so i'm having it. Could anyone tell me how i will know if it is still restricted? And it has got the aprilia race can with it but not the chip, will it be ok to run it with the can until i get hold of a chip? Thanks all

[Ally V60]

I work at a honda dealership and we had a mille 'r' chopped in at the weekend. It's a 52 plate with 9k on clock, part stickered with haga kit (not got 41 on rear seat unit). Had it hpi'd etc and checked over by the bike boys..... all seems ok (leaky fork seal is the only problem) so i'm having it. Could anyone tell me how i will know if it is still restricted? And it has got the aprilia race can with it but not the chip, will it be ok to run it with the can until i get hold of a chip? Thanks all

I think that a wise move mate, used the search bar, there are loads of tips on checking on derestriction, including how to remove the exhaust baffle if its still fitted, cutting the ecu wire and removeing the plate in the airbox. It recommended that you do all 3 at once.

Good luck with the new bike

[Scootopia]

I'm certainly looking at this bike as a "rider" rather than a "collector". I'm in the UK and used RSV-R prices over here hover around the $10,000 and upwards.

This particular one is probably around the price of a similar condition R model, maybe $500 more at most.

The VIN number is ZD4MED000XS000142.

Engine number is R0525446.

The shocks do indeed have the two blue nuts and the clocks glow green.

It does have an '01 resin tank from a "regular" RSV although the dealer is offering an '00 tank from an R as an exchange (he says R's have resin tanks as well?)

The Ti hanger doesn't have SP on it and is tubular.

It does have the full complement of four header bolts as well!

This is a valid "SP" VIN! However the bike apparently has never been warranty registered, or at least it won't show me it's history possibly because it is an EU bike and I am an American dealer. I'm not sure really if they block EU records from USA dealers or not. If someone in the EU wants to volunteer there VIN I will run it to see if it blocks he info or not.

[fblader1]

Thanks for that, i had been checking up but not sure if the wire cut is for all ecu's or certain models etc etc ?? Any more advise anyone? What does that wire cut do, and does if increase bhp? Also if someone could explain why the handbook says strictly no passengers for the 'r', i have rear pegs fitted and a seat with the bike, is it something to do with the sub frame? I did hear you could get a passenger kit, any ideas what it included..... thanks again for any help all

[chrman]

Thanks for that, i had been checking up but not sure if the wire cut is for all ecu's or certain models etc etc ?? Any more advise anyone? What does that wire cut do, and does if increase bhp? Also if someone could explain why the handbook says strictly no passengers for the 'r', i have rear pegs fitted and a seat with the bike, is it something to do with the sub frame? I did hear you could get a passenger kit, any ideas what it included..... thanks again for any help all

The wire cut switches the ecu to the derestricted map, for use with aftermarket exhaust and race air boxes and the like.

The R models subframe is not designed to support a passenger. Some guys swap out their Rs rear subframe for a non-R biposto setup so they can carry passengers.

[kzmille]

The wire cut switches the ecu to the derestricted map, for use with aftermarket exhaust and race air boxes and the like.
The second map is for the stock derestricted muffler and air box.

[v60]

The SP has never been restricted.
But, if anybody has the original eprom, I would be interested to have one.

[kzmille]

The SP has never been restricted.
But, if anybody has the original eprom, I would be interested to have one.
Didn't think the bike in question was an SP. Do SP's have a second map enabled by cutting the wire?

[v60]

Probably two maps, but none in restricted condition. This is why I'm looking for an original eprom.

[v60]

My engine is completely Stock ! Only 57mm TB and PC3 mapping, and it gives That power(139 hp). A 2004/2005 engine gives 129 hp, maximum (stock, with perfect PC3 Mapping, about 123 hp without PC3) !