do i need race ecu or not?

[kruczkowski666]

i have 2010 rsv4 factory with austin slipon,do i need race ecu or not?riding with out harm my engine?

[Chris_Mag]

Congrats. Post a pic of your bike. Nevermind... this is you?

http://www.bikepics.com/members/kruczkowski666/09gsxr1000/


The general consensus is "yes", you should run some sort of fuel controller, and the best place to start is with the RACE ecu/mapping because it changes the ride-by-wire logic and other aspects that a FI controller like the Bazzaz cannot.

The largest issue w/ stock mapping when running a slip-on is that the lower-rpm partial throttle fueling is very lean. On mine, I saw 15:1 at ~5k RPM at about 15% throttle (cruising RPM and throttle).

What you will trade in going to race mapping is more power, especially at middle revs and more direct throttle response in T mode in favor of more fuel consumption.

[Quarantine]

not this shit again

[Chris_Mag]

not this shit again

Lol. I edited my post, just in case he's not trolling.
:banana:

[Eppy]

This needs to be a sticky as it comes up EVERY week.

[Phunky Phish]

I am looking at the fueling for my APRC SE and cannot decide the best way forward.

Having read many posts I cannot see what advantage a Race ECU would have over a Bazzaz or PCv unit. I will spend some money on dyno time when its installed.

Can anyone explain what extra do I get from the Race ECU that I dont with the Bazzaz or PCv unit?

I could only manage reading through the first half a page of threads (and I mean reading the threads, not just the thread titles) before my brain went to mush, which to be honest, does not take much these days!!

Cheers everyone.

[amauri]

This has been beaten to death and starting to look like someone is trolling.

For the last time, hopefully:

1- according to DynoJet USA, the PC5 does not work on the RSV4, don't believe commissions hungry sales people.
2- the Bazzaz only adjusts fuel.
3- the race mapped ECU optimizes fuel, ignition and ride-by-wire parms.

Installing the Bazzaz without first loading the race map is not only a waste of money, but as already posted here previously, leads to trouble.

Yes the Bazzaz does add speed shifter and TC capabilities.

[Phunky Phish]

Sorry, its not my intention to troll, but to make sense of all the information as there is LOADS!!
If I buy the Bazzaz unit it will be from an RSV4 specialist tuning garage, with some dyno time so they will get it all set up for the bike properly.
The PC5 is now avaliable for the RSV4 with a fueling module. AR have them and are doing a special on them inc dyno time also.
I am interested in the Race ECU if it gives me anything better than just fueling modules. Does the map need proper dyno time also to set it up spot on for the bike, as well as the dealer setup for throttle learning.

Thank you for moving and helping with your responce amauri. I understand most things on the bike, but some things I just want to make sure I make the best decision.

[colacin]

In addition to what Amauri said - the RSV4 has 3 modes and the bazzaz has 2 maps - so you either map both against one mode or one map against 2 of the modes. So you either lose 1 or 2 of the modes. This may or may not bother you. It is also difficult to install cleanly on a bike without a race fairing, from the 4 or 5 I've seen.

If you're not going to be on the track (for the most part) I'd get the race ECU for a lot less hassle.

[Phunky Phish]

Amuari, I bow to your knowledge as you have far more than me in this area!
I have Q/S and TC with the APRC :)
Re-reading the ECU de-restriction thread is making more sense, in that it does ignition as well as fueling which other units need additional modules to sort properly.
So really the Race ECU is a better option that would allow a good tuning shop to properly set the bike up on a dyno for A/F ratios but also ignition timing so it is properly sorted.

Again, thank you for helping with this beaten subject.

Edit, does that mean the race ecu has the R, S & T maps on it also?

[amauri]

The PC5 is now avaliable for the RSV4 with a fueling module. AR have them and are doing a special on them inc dyno time also.

The PC5 is made by Dyno Jet Research in Las Vegas Nevada USA, not AR in the UK.
DJ has been doing developement work trying to solve the issues that prevent the PC5 from working properly on the RSV4, the R&D work is not complete and as of yet, DJ is not shipping the PC5 for the V4.

The only person saying that the PC5 works on the V4 is AR.
Remmember a few monthas ago when AR was trying to push people into installing 2-PC5s on the V4?
Again, do not believe what a salesman is telling you, email DJ USA directly if you wish.

The APRC is brand new, why do you want to let someone turn your bike into a test mule by beating it on a Dyno?
If you encouter issues with the electronics or anytning like stalling, error codes, etc, etc... do you really expect Aprilia to warranty it after you modify it?

Do not mess with it, isn't 180hp enough?

[jgos929]

The PC5 is made by Dyno Jet Research in Las Vegas Nevada USA, not AR in the UK.
DJ has been doing developement work trying to solve the issues that prevent the PC5 from working properly on the RSV4, the R&D work is not complete and as of yet, DJ is not shipping the PC5 for the V4.

The only person saying that the PC5 works on the V4 is AR.
Remmember a few monthas ago when AR was trying to push people into installing 2-PC5s on the V4?
Again, do not believe what a salesman is telling you, email DJ USA directly if you wish.

The APRC is brand new, why do you want to let someone turn your bike into a test mule by beating it on a Dyno?
If you encouter issues with the electronics or anytning like stalling, error codes, etc, etc... do you really expect Aprilia to warranty it after you modify it?

Do not mess with it, isn't 180hp enough?

:plus:

According to this the PC5 for the RSV4 is still "under development". AR does not have a PC5 that was purposly manufactured for the RSV4.

http://www.powercommander.com/powercommander/powercommander_v.aspx?mk=1&mdl=240&yr=10-001&pcVersion=PCV&PartNum=10-001

[Ed / AF1 Racing]

Edit, does that mean the race ecu has the R, S & T maps on it also?

Yes, they are different than the orginal stock three modes....see you owners manual for a description of the three stock maps.

The Race ECU/ Race Mapping (same thing) has three maps R, S and T, all of which full power maps.

The R map limits torque in the first three gears (recommended for less experienced riders in poor grip conditions). Full power all other gears.

The S map is a “full power” map all gears, but with a softer throttle response.

The T map is a “full power” map all gears with extremely direct throttle response (recommended for expert riders).

[Phunky Phish]

Amuari, calm down mate! I am just saying what I have seen and asking the question. That's why I originlly asked about the PCv and Bazzaz!

Cheers Ed about the 3 maps. I like the idea of keeping the 3 maps.

So does the race ecu need dyno time to sort the bike properly?

Cheers

[jgos929]

Amuari, calm down mate! I am just saying what I have seen and asking the question. That's why I originlly asked about the PCv and Bazzaz!

Cheers Ed about the 3 maps. I like the idea of keeping the 3 maps.

So does the race ecu need dyno time to sort the bike properly?

Cheers

No because you cant change any of the maps. Just swap ECU's and go about your day simple as that.

[Ed / AF1 Racing]

So does the race ecu need dyno time to sort the bike properly?

Cheers

it is not adjustable.....load it, then do the required throttle and handle self learning and go.

[Phunky Phish]

The Race ECU/ Race Mapping (same thing) has three maps R, S and T, all of which full power maps.


@jgos - This is not what Ed is saying. He is saying the race ecu has 3 maps?!

Is this the case Ed? Just to clarify.

[Ed / AF1 Racing]

@jgos - This is not what Ed is saying. He is saying the race ecu has 3 maps?!

Is this the case Ed? Just to clarify.

he is saying no to dyno time, as its pre-set to work great.....he knows you still have three seperate maps...we did his ECU.....S, R, T are still there along with the word RACE on the dash.

[Phunky Phish]

Ah, ok. Clears loads up.
Me thinks it's time to order the final bit for the bike ;)

[amauri]

allow a good tuning shop to properly set the bike up on a dyno for A/F ratios but also ignition timing so it is properly sorted.


OK, I'm calming down now :)
Nothing against you, sorry if I offended.

As you've noticed, I get really stirred up when I hear of some shop trying to convince a V4 owner that they need to install parts that IMO the bike is better off without.

The thing is, there is no tuning to be done on the bike other than loading the map and calibrating the throttle parameters (on the APRC bikes, you will also have to re-calibrate the quick shift and APRC parameters).

Unfortunately, most shops don't get that, and try to apply methods that only work on traditional or less sophisticated bikes.

Until we all have a better understanding of how the ride-by-wire is managing the motor and someone builds a module that works together with the ride-by-wire electronics, Dyno time on the V4 is not going to accomplish anything other than unnecessary wear on your motor.

[Phunky Phish]

@ Amauri. No offence taken and thank you for all your input and passion on this bike.

[MarkyPancake]

Is the race ECU a dealer fit option only or is it a user install like a Power Commander for example? If dealer fit, do they retain the stock ECU or do they give it to you?

[zgriders]

Is the race ECU a dealer fit option only or is it a user install like a Power Commander for example? If dealer fit, do they retain the stock ECU or do they give it to you?

The race ECU is a replacement part (you keep the original ECU) with pre-defined mapping, and is located below the gastank. You will need a dealer (or someone who has the equipment and knowledge) to perform a throttle-learning procedure with the replacement ECU...it looks like this.

http://www.af1racing.com/store/ProdImages/st3/896309.jpg

And you can buy them here with/without your chosen map (country dependent)...

http://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=8105

I think there is also another option, which would be to use your existing stock ECU, and have AF1 unlock your existing stock ECU (program another map), if you ship your original stock ECU to them.

[Ed / AF1 Racing]

3 ways to get that RACE map/ecu...same thing really...the race ECU is just a stock ECU pre-loaded with the RACE mapping.

1. Buy the Aprilia / Akra exhaut and you get a free unlock code, your dealer will use this code to load the RACE mapping into your stock ECU. The unlock code allows loading of the race mapping. Perform handle/throttle learning

2. buy the race ECU as a seperate box $750....you can buy it yourself and put it in, but you cannot ride it until a dealer performs handle and throttle self learning (and some extra learning on APRC models) on your bike. You keep your original ECU.....you can put back into your bike without re-learning, and sell the RACE ECU later, the new guy will need handle/throttle learning done before use on his bike.

3. Send us your stock ECU, and we can unlock and program it with codes not supplied by Aprilia for way less money than the race ECU. We have our own method to acheive the exact same end result. I think we are the only ones doing this. You still need to go to a dealer for handle and throttle learning after we send the ECU with race mapping back to you just like normal.

[Deacon]

Just had AF1 do the #3 option a few weeks ago and took it to my local dealer for the throttle learn which only took minutes. It's the best option in my book. :plus:

[MarkyPancake]

With such a wide variety of slip-ons available, each affecting the bike in different ways, how can the race ECU deal with this compared to say a Power Commander that lets you install unique maps at will?

I guess what I'm trying to say is, if I were to fit an after market slip-on, what's special about the race ECU that it will run fine compared to the stock ECU?

My previous experience of going after market is I had a PCIII on my 04 R1, with no cat and A&R race baffles in stock slip-ons, and I have a PCV on my 08 Blade, with no cat and a Taylormade Racing slip-on and O2 sensor eliminator fitted, both solutions allowed me to change the map any time to one suitable to my set up, whether it was a custom map specifically for my bike or a different one for the same set up.

I didn't realise changing the huge, ugly exhaust on the RSV4 Factory would be more hassle than my R1 or Blade.

[fastmike]

Marky:
What everyone is describing is NO harder than installing a PCV! It's just different than what you're used to. You buy a new ECU or have it updated by AF1. Swap out the ECU and have the dealer do the throttle learning. The only difference between the different bikes (ECU vs. PCV) is the throttle learning.

You don't even have to run power supply. Just swap out the ECU and go. Don't be afraid of something new and then think it is harder than what you're used to. It's just different.

[Ed / AF1 Racing]

a PCIII or PCV or Bazazz are all basic add-on boxes.....very crude devices actually. The Bazazz box does add additional features.

They richen or lean the fueling from whatever the ECU is putting out based only on RPM and throttle position (TP%). The stock ECU sets fueling on many more factors (temps, throttle demand changes, demand rate of change, pressures, etc). Our very advanced RBW system definielty comes into play.

Those add-on boxes are more of a fine tuning device and they have limits. They cannot alter ignition timing or any of the RBW settings. All that gets changed with the RACE mapping. Full power ignition, full power RBW settings, and full power fueling. RACE mapping is the only way to change these.

You really need to add RACE mapping before the add-on box gets added and mapped. You still need the ECU putting out good information to the crude add-on box.....the RACE mapping is very, very good mapping for slip-ons and full systems.....then you can add a box and custom fine tune on a dyno, if you so desire (but it's not really needed).

[jgos929]

Marky the PC3 does nothing but change the fueling + or -. The race ecu changes the ignition and fueling.


Oh and get rid of that Taylormade exhaust for your 08 because all you did was spend a ton of dough to make your bike look good. Its by far the worst performing exhaust for the new cbr.

[MarkyPancake]

What I'm trying to understand is how the OEM race ECU is capable of working with X, Y and Z slip-on.

If X slip-on is fitted, does the dealer install X map on the race ECU, if Y slip-on do they install Y map, etc, or is it sophisticated enough that it programmes itself to whatever slip-on is fitted when the dealer goes through the throttle learning process?

I just want to make sure I understand it all properly, so I can make the right decision and not harm the bike in the long run.


Oh and get rid of that Taylormade exhaust for your 08 because all you did was spend a ton of dough to make your bike look good. Its by far the worst performing exhaust for the new cbr.

I didn't want it for performance and only wanted it for its looks and sound.

[jgos929]

With an open exhaust the stock ecu fueling is to lean. The race ecu is optimized and designed around the addition Akra exhaust. Just about every exhaust for the rsv4 is just like the Akra which is why the race ecu works better with any aftermarket exhaust.

[super8neon]

I love this post.... and laugh at it a little....


How does dropping the muffler affect the Engine Fueling?



Has anyone stopped to think that these RSV4's run super Lean from the Factory????

Adding the Slip-On just makes it more noticeable because someone puts their bike on the dyno with an A/F Sensor with the Slip-On to see how much power they have.... and hey, this bike runs Lean now!!!

Maybe... just maybe.... it was that Lean before even with the Factory Muffler.

[MarkyPancake]

With an open exhaust the stock ecu fueling is to lean. The race ecu is optimized and designed around the addition Akra exhaust. Just about every exhaust for the rsv4 is just like the Akra which is why the race ecu works better with any aftermarket exhaust.

Thanks.

I'm thinking of getting a race ECU as part of my bike order, so I have it ready for when I change the exhaust, because the dealer is giving me 15% off any accessories I get with the bike.

[AE3]

I have been reading this and I still have some questions.

Rsv4 APRC with a full Leo Vince exhaust system and race air filter is it enough to use just this Race ECU (http://www.accessories.aprilia.com/product.aspx?ct=4363&pr=2602)? After installing that ECU will all the APRC systems (ATC, AWC..) work?

Also should it be dyno'd in order to get the perfect AF ratios and it cant be used as an Autotune module on PCV, it doesn't make any corrections by itself?

[MarkyPancake]

Being as Aprilia say this about the racing ECU:


A new dedicated racing ECU for RSV4 Factory and R, allready mapped with racing injection/ignition mapping, to be used in combination with aftermarket exhaust systems (both full system and slip-on) NOT supplied by Aprilia

http://uk.aprilia.com/en-GB/Model/61922/RSV4+Factory+APRC+SE/Accessories.aspx

I think I will get the dealer to price one up for me, so I have it ready for when I change the slip-on.

What do I need to do when I do change the slip-on:

Do I fit the racing ECU myself, then take it to the dealer with the aftermarket slip-on fitted, they hook it up to Navigator and go through the throttle and handle learning procedures (no remapping because the racing ECU comes with a different map)? Or am I way off?

If it is possible to fit the ECU yourself, is it a similar job to something like a Power Commander, so a bit of work but not a massive task, or is it more complicated? Are there any how-tos or does it come with fitting instructions?

I'm sorry if I'm going over an old topic, but this is my first Aprilia I didn't expect it to be a little bit more awkward to ensure the bike is running nice and not too rich or lean with an aftermarket exhaust. I'm also coming up with a lack of information about the racing ECU and fitting it when I search the net.

[Ed / AF1 Racing]

Being as Aprilia say this about the racing ECU:



http://uk.aprilia.com/en-GB/Model/61922/RSV4+Factory+APRC+SE/Accessories.aspx

I think I will get the dealer to price one up for me, so I have it ready for when I change the slip-on.

What do I need to do when I do change the slip-on:

Do I fit the racing ECU myself, then take it to the dealer with the aftermarket slip-on fitted, they hook it up to Navigator and go through the throttle and handle learning procedures (no remapping because the racing ECU comes with a different map)? Or am I way off?

If it is possible to fit the ECU yourself, is it a similar job to something like a Power Commander, so a bit of work but not a massive task, or is it more complicated? Are there any how-tos or does it come with fitting instructions?

I'm sorry if I'm going over an old topic, but this is my first Aprilia I didn't expect it to be a little bit more awkward to ensure the bike is running nice and not too rich or lean with an aftermarket exhaust. I'm also coming up with a lack of information about the racing ECU and fitting it when I search the net.

have your dealer install it and do it all....once the new ECU is installed, they will need to do the self-learning steps before you can start it and ride it. Guess you could put the ECU in yourself and then trailer the bike to them for the self-learning steps.

[MarkyPancake]

have your dealer install it and do it all....once the new ECU is installed, they will need to do the self-learning steps before you can start it and ride it. Guess you could put the ECU in yourself and then trailer the bike to them for the self-learning steps.

Thanks for the reply. There doesn't seem to be a lot of information out there about ECU mapping or fitting the racing ECU. I'm just piecing together what I'm learning from here and around the net. I also didn't realise the Aprilia would be different to set up in terms of making sure it's running sweet with whatever slip-on is fitted.

Aprilia is new to my dealer and I don't think the sales or techs have been through any sort of proper Aprilia induction yet, so I doubt they even have Navigator either. In fact, I feel like I know more and am a bit of a test subject, but they've looked after me ever since I bought my first bike, so I don't doubt them.

[igotyofire]

how does the stock bike with the stock can behave with the race ecu or race maps? will the bike over compensate for the lack of flow?

[MishMashRSV4]

how does the stock bike with the stock can behave with the race ecu or race maps? will the bike over compensate for the lack of flow?

I would have to believe it is just less-than-optimal tuning. I do not believe running the engine with a race-mapped ecu and stock can will permanently damage the engine in short term...only that performance will suffer. You are re-restricting exhaust flow. Over time, this simply creates a richer-than-needed environment in the engine. Outcome? Fouled plugs in time...carbon build up....and maybe if long enough....valves not closing completely due to carbon build up.

[super8neon]

how does the stock bike with the stock can behave with the race ecu or race maps? will the bike over compensate for the lack of flow?

Nobody has a back to back dyno graph to prove what a Bolt On Canister does to the fueling curves.


What needs to be done...

Take a 100% Factory R... put it on a dyno with an air to fuel probe and make three runs. Watching the status of the A/F Ratio in stock trim.

Swap to a Bolt On Canister... Keeping the Factory PCM... put it on the same dyno with and air to fuel probe and make three runs. Watching the status of the A/F Ratio with the stock PCM and Bolt On Canister.



Post the back to back runs.... Showing the A/F Charts.
(Maybe I need to get to the Dyno)

[jaxxon]

This has been beaten to death and starting to look like someone is trolling.

For the last time, hopefully:

1- according to DynoJet USA, the PC5 does not work on the RSV4, don't believe commissions hungry sales people.
2- the Bazzaz only adjusts fuel.
3- the race mapped ECU optimizes fuel, ignition and ride-by-wire parms.

Installing the Bazzaz without first loading the race map is not only a waste of money, but as already posted here previously, leads to trouble.

Yes the Bazzaz does add speed shifter and TC capabilities.

The more subject is repeated here, the easier it is to search and therefore to get an answer -Thank you ---Was just going to run Bazzaz Fi/TC/QS until I read this sticky... Now I'll get the ECU flashed from AF-1 (for the fueling) and use the Bazzaz for TC and QS

So if no TC & QS is desired - Race ECU or Flashed from AF-1 is the way to go

[sonic rr]

Nobody has a back to back dyno graph to prove what a Bolt On Canister does to the fueling curves.


What needs to be done...

Take a 100% Factory R... put it on a dyno with an air to fuel probe and make three runs. Watching the status of the A/F Ratio in stock trim.

Swap to a Bolt On Canister... Keeping the Factory PCM... put it on the same dyno with and air to fuel probe and make three runs. Watching the status of the A/F Ratio with the stock PCM and Bolt On Canister.



Post the back to back runs.... Showing the A/F Charts.
(Maybe I need to get to the Dyno)

Can you check A/F on stock exhaust? Do you have to install a port? What has led you to believe that the RSV4 is lean from the factory? i thought that most stock tuning is rich, is it not? Thats safest in the eyes of the manufacturers isn't it? I would like to know who has evidence that the AR slipon I intend to order will require a "Race"map on my stock ECU. I rather not test boundries on my possibly fragile engine...
I'm new and people seem to be ignore'n Super8 when he seems to have a valid point? Please feel free to link me If i have missed something.



Sonic:banana:

[Pete Gala]

Quick question. I have the dealer installing the unlocked map due to my Akro pipe unlock code. When I asked will the "Race" digits be shown he said no.

Is this normal? How woudl I know if he has actually installed it?

[MarkyPancake]

From what I understand the race map on a stock ECU and race ECU should both display "RACE" on the dash.

http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=162358&stc=1&d=1304989746

See the last picture in this post, should the link above not work for you:

http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2817678&postcount=1

[alexyeohsy]

Pete,

from my understanding, is that programming the ECU to race mapping is a two step procedure, first you have to physically purchase an unlocked ECU or derestricted ECU which allows you to upload new mapping to it, or it could be done with stock ECU with derestriction code as advertise by the Akra pipes in AF1 website.

Second step which will be uploading a new race map into it, which will give you the "RACE" display on the dash. Which in AF1, after purchasing the race ECU, will be and additional USD50.00 Otherwise is just an open ECU with no new maps in it.

I could be wrong but that's what I thought they did cause AF1 did offer to derestrict my stock ECU and update it for few hundred quids. If your dealer didn't update it to race map, he might charge you for it or you should get for free since you bought the bike from them.

[alexk]

Hi,

When you install the race map, the 'race' indication comes in the dashboard.

[Pete Gala]

Great but does the unlock code give you the race indication as well or not?

I am curious as they have advised that when they load the new unlocked mapping that the Race does not appear.

[Chris_Mag]

Pete, if "Race" doesn't show on the dash, they did not upload the Race mapping.

[Pete Gala]

Thanks Chris,

But my question is and sorry if I did not make it clear, is the unlock code from Aprilia Akropovic the race map or is it just a map for the exchaust?

If i is just a map for the exhaust is there a difference between that and the race maping?

Thanks for the assistance

[Chris_Mag]

With the Aprilia Akrapovic exhausts, the dealer gets an unlock code from Aprilia. Once the ECU is unlocked, they upload the most current version of the Race map from Aprilia via the Navigator tool.

If your bike does not display Race on the dash after they update the mapping, they selected the wrong map version (stock vs Race map).

[Pete Gala]

Thanks Chris.

Very Much appreciated.

[rsv464]

Great but does the unlock code give you the race indication as well or not?

I am curious as they have advised that when they load the new unlocked mapping that the Race does not appear.

Pete, I got mine done at bikebiz $80 remapped all good with latest RACE map.
RACE appears on dash. I'm running the AR gp can, best $80 Iv'e ever spent on a motorbike.

[super8neon]

Pete, I got mine done at bikebiz $80 remapped all good with latest RACE map.
RACE appears on dash. I'm running the AR gp can, best $80 Iv'e ever spent on a motorbike.

WTF!!!!!

Then how are American based Aprilia Dealers charging +$400!!!!
(At Least)

[MarkyPancake]

I'm still waiting to look into remapping my ECU. I have no idea what my dealer will charge to unlock it, because I don't have an Akrapovic to get the code and have an AR slip-on, and to my knowledge they still haven't done a remapping yet and I'll probably be the first. If it's going to cost too much to unlock my stock ECU, then I will probably buy a Race ECU.

[sonic rr]

WTF!!!!!

Then how are American based Aprilia Dealers charging +$400!!!!
(At Least)

:chillpill

I was hope'n the cost would come down but didn't know what Aprila charges the dealers. Lets remember the service they offer is still alot less than the race ECU.

Sonic:banana:

[tono4]

Could somebody tell me if there is different Race map for Factory APRC w/ Slip-on and w/ Full system or is there only one Race map suitable for both (Slip-on and Full system)?

[sonic rr]

Could somebody tell me if there is different Race map for Factory APRC w/ Slip-on and w/ Full system or is there only one Race map suitable for both (Slip-on and Full system)?

From what I gather, the "race" ecu is just a start point. Its a one size fits all map. I believe you can add A PC5 or Badazz to fine tune after you have a "race" map'd ECU.



Chad:banana:

[MarkyPancake]

Lets remember the service they offer is still alot less than the race ECU.

If you have a race map installed on the stock ECU and for whatever reason you decide to put the stock exhaust back on, then ideally you would need to have the stock map installed again at the same cost and vice versa at the same cost and so on.

With a race ECU you only need to pay for the ECU once and you can swap between stock ECU and race ECU, then when the time comes you actually have a physical product you can sell.

[sonic rr]

If you have a race map installed on the stock ECU and for whatever reason you decide to put the stock exhaust back on, then ideally you would need to have the stock map installed again at the same cost and vice versa at the same cost and so on.

With a race ECU you only need to pay for the ECU once and you can swap between stock ECU and race ECU, then when the time comes you actually have a physical product you can sell.

But if you swap it you have to trailer it back to the dealer to re"learn" the ride by wire system. Who really ever goes back to stock? :p:



Sonic:banana:

[rsv464]

If you have a race map installed on the stock ECU and for whatever reason you decide to put the stock exhaust back on, then ideally you would need to have the stock map installed again at the same cost and vice versa at the same cost and so on.

With a race ECU you only need to pay for the ECU once and you can swap between stock ECU and race ECU, then when the time comes you actually have a physical product you can sell.

In OZ at $80 a pop you would have to swap back and forward between stock and race many times to equal the price of a race ECU. No thanks, can't think of any reason why I would want to go back to stock pipe anyway.

[DuctTape]

But if you swap it you have to trailer it back to the dealer to re"learn" the ride by wire system. Who really ever goes back to stock? :p:



Sonic:banana:

Not so, Once it's learned, it's learned, as long as it goes back on the same bike.

[rcfirdy]

Has anyone thought of ripping all this stuff off the bike and fitting a set of Keihin 39mm flatslides???:)

[Ed / AF1 Racing]

Has anyone thought of ripping all this stuff off the bike and fitting a set of Keihin 39mm flatslides???:)

I have, and I want to....simple, raw, basic, and awesome sounding with the slides rattling. Just need a basic ECU to give us spark.

[sonic rr]

Not so, Once it's learned, it's learned, as long as it goes back on the same bike.

Ahhh, gotcha. Thanks for clarification. I'm not sure I understand why that works but what ever. lol.



Sonic:banana:

[MarkyPancake]

I'm not sure I understand why that works but what ever.

The throttle learning data is stored in the ECU, so if you have a stock and race ECU that have both been through this process on the same bike, you can swap them as much as you want, but when the race ECU is fitted to another bike it will need to go through the throttle learning procedure again.

[sonic rr]

Why the rheostats don't self learn is still beyond me but I digress


Sonic:peace:

[Derspiegel]

I have to be honest with everyone on here. I am sick and tired of the billions of excuses from Aprilia. I have never worked with a bike company that has been so difficult to deal with. I live 2 hours away from both Aprilia dealers in SC, and I work for a bike store in Columbia. I bought a full Akra system through my work, and was told by one of the stores that they could unlock my ECU for me and that this would be the easiest option for me. So I took the trip, and what do you know...Aprilia told their dealer that they would not provide the unlock code to the dealer for me nor would they allow them to work with my bike so that they could set it up properly. Aprilia then told me when I called that they do not provide the code that it comes from Akra and I might have to pay for it. I offered to pay Aprilia for this code...they declined to both the dealer and myself. So both the dealer and I were very upset. I then proceeded to call Akra and their rep said that that was not true. They said that they design their exhausts to be run on stock mapping, but that though it is not necessary to remap the exhaust some performance gains can be had via remapping. I must say that logically if any dealer is able to reflash an ECU just because an exhaust is ordered through Aprilia and only comes with a code, I was told by the other dealer in SC that that is the only thing that comes with the exhaust, that it should be able to be done locally at an approved dealer for a fee. There seems to be lots of conflicting information across the web and through the dealerships regarding this issue. No matter what the arguments made by Aprilia and a select few seem not be logically sound.
I work for a bike shop like I stated...so I call this crappy customer support.
I also want to add that it seems there is another option to be had out there that an old Aprilia race team is working on developing. I will post more on that information provided they allow me to. I will say that they were using a Bazzaz, and the system they have works. It has already been done and proven. Check out the WERA forums to find more information on the bike.
I believe others can understand why I am so upset along with the holes in all of the arguments regarding this issue.

[Ed / AF1 Racing]

you bought a non-Aprilia Akra system and your bummed it didnt come with an unlock code? Maybe the non-Aprilia Akra wasnt such a good deal after all.

here are your only three options to get the proper mapping....this has been covered many times. Its true most shops dont know whats going on with this new bike and they can provide misleading info.

1. Buy a Aprilia-Akra system, and the unlock code is provided
2. Buy the Aprilia RACE ecu with the map pre-loaded.
3. Send us your ECU and we can put the RACE mapping in stock ECU our own way (our way does not come from Aprilia)....we are the only shop that can do this 3rd option that I know of. Amauri in CA can do them through us too.

[Derspiegel]

Ed, the dealership that does not know how to do any of this is one that is listed as having an account with you guys. The dealership is BMW touring sport in Greenville, SC. I even tried talking to Jeff there about bringing the bike in so they can do everything including sending it off to you guys. I hate that they are getting screwed out of making more money as well possibly since they have tried to help me out so much already.

Of Course I am bummed. You would be too if you worked for a dealership and can buy things for dealer price and bought into a company's bike that would not help you out in anyway. Why would I pay tons more than what I can get it for. Actually why would anyone when authroized Akra dealers can sell the full race system for 1500.00 retail? I think it is pretty messed up that someone buys into Aprilia's great bike, but Aprilia tries to screw them over in this department when they are willing to take it to a dealership to get some help. I must add that a full race system is a full race system from Akra no matter where you buy it. You are paying at least a 300.00 dollar difference on your site alone just to go with the Aprilia system. Again....there are holes in the debate here. If anyone is interested in the race teams results PM me and I will be glad to get them for you.

I feel that Aprilia needs to add to their tag line...a great bike for those with a deep wallet and those who can take long trips to authorized dealers. For someone like me who set aside army deployment money for such a great bike there should be options. I must add that Ducati has a similar system, but you actually save a lot of money by going with their deal with Termi. Sport bike companies should be motivated to help the people who buy their bikes, and make them as easy to work with as possible for those who want to prove the Aprilia name on the track as well.

I will try to call you tomorrow to discuss my options some more.

[Ed / AF1 Racing]

Aprilia-Akras come with the Aprilia derived mapping option. Yes, it costs more than Akra-direct, but that difference is the price of the unlock code for the mapping.

Ducati charges a pretty penny for their pipes/DP ECUs.....somebody just told me the Diavel pipes/ECU are $3500, the Desmo pipes/ECU is something like $7500. You can buy non-DP pipes for fractions of that, but then you still need a tuning option. For now, all V4 owners have is the RACE mapping with 3 ways to get it, and the two add-on box options (Bazzaz and PCV).

The Bazzaz add-on box that many of us use including us only allows basic fuel changes based on RPM and TP%. It does not change all the stuff race mapping can like ign timing, RBW settings, fuel, exh valve, and still has three riding modes etc. It's a good fine tuning device. We always put RACE mapping on the bike before adding the Bazzaz.

[colacin]

While the unlock code does seem somehow irritating...

Name one bike manufacturer that will remap your bike for free after you put on a full system.

Any takers?

[igotyofire]

3. Send us your ECU and we can put the RACE mapping in stock ECU our own way (our way does not come from Aprilia)....we are the only shop that can do this 3rd option that I know of. Amauri in CA can do them through us too.

wait Although i am unsure of the arrangements are you saying Amauri can do this without having to ship the ECU to (Texas) AF1 aswell? So no shipping downtime?

[Ed / AF1 Racing]

wait Although i am unsure of the arrangements are you saying Amauri can do this without having to ship the ECU to (Texas) AF1 aswell? So no shipping downtime?

yes, he can. We work with him on getting them done.

[Ed / AF1 Racing]

I know that no manufacturer's provide a free remap, but I am saying I find it hard to believe that Aprilia can send a code with an exhaust that unlocks any dealer's navigator...but they can not allow an authorized dealer to contact them, charge a fee, and provide a code to do the same thing on the spot.

They sell the RACE ecu pre-loaded with race mapping for this very purpose. It's for all the people that didnt buy the aprilia exhaust system. Have your dealer get/stock one, and they can do it on the spot.

[rcfirdy]

I have, and I want to....simple, raw, basic, and awesome sounding with the slides rattling. Just need a basic ECU to give us spark.

Kawasaki persisted with it in WSB and lost nothing in engine power to the F.I. bikes.It would be interesting to see the results,but I would think there is insufficient room between the V for sufficient airflow.

[wattsy]

hi guys been following this thread with interest when i bought my rsv4r in uk it came with a aprilia akrapovic slip on with the race link pipe after reading this thread i went to the dealer to ask for the race map to be loaded as it had not been done he knew nothing about it being supplied with an unlock code etc and said it did not need doing so at the moment i'am in the process of trying to get them to sort this out hopefully i can get them to remap and they are an official aprilia dealer !!:lame:

[PatentsByBarry]

I am thinking about getting the Akrapovic slip-on with ECU code (http://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=7907). I mainly want it for the sound but I hate backfiring. Has anyone using this had any backfiring?

[Creed7777]

Hi guys,

Just had Leo Vince slip-on installed; removed the silencer, love the sound, deep sounding bark!!! Unfortunately my dealer's Navigator is acting up; can't install any maps so I am stuck running it with stock ECU for now. Dealer said i should be fine since it is only a slip-on. However, i have noticed that the throttle response is now somewhat tame, more linear, I don't like it; seems flat. Is there any risk to the motor or any other component of the bike if I continue to ride (temporarily) without the Race map?

[chrisw]

hi guys been following this thread with interest when i bought my rsv4r in uk it came with a aprilia akrapovic slip on with the race link pipe after reading this thread i went to the dealer to ask for the race map to be loaded as it had not been done he knew nothing about it being supplied with an unlock code etc and said it did not need doing so at the moment i'am in the process of trying to get them to sort this out hopefully i can get them to remap and they are an official aprilia dealer !!:lame:

As I understand it, the map isn't necessary for a slip-on in the UK. In the states, their bikes run lean with a slip-on because of the different fuel, so the map / race ECU is required.

[super8neon]

As I understand it, the map isn't necessary for a slip-on in the UK. In the states, their bikes run lean with a slip-on because of the different fuel, so the map / race ECU is required.

I am on a US RSV4... running a Leo Vince Slip-On with stock ECU... for over
6K miles... No Issues... No problems.

Except for that V4 Roar!!!!

[Creed7777]

I am on a US RSV4... running a Leo Vince Slip-On with stock ECU... for over
6K miles... No Issues... No problems.

Except for that V4 Roar!!!!

Are you running 2010 or 2011 APRC map? Also has your throttle response been impacted at all? mine seems more linear, which some may like but I prefer the abrupt rush of power.

Yes the roar with the LV is AWESOME!!!

[TheM!G]

Are you running 2010 or 2011 APRC map? Also has your throttle response been impacted at all? mine seems more linear, which some may like but I prefer the abrupt rush of power.

Yes the roar with the LV is AWESOME!!!

I have the LV Slip-On with 2011 APRC Map(normal one, not the RACE one) and I have no problem either. Power is indeed a bit smoother down low, but it doesn't detract from the character of the bike at all IMO. Actually it just makes it easier to start power slides coming out for corners. :devil: Having that said, it did help the mileage of the bike, but only by about 20km. I used to do 105-110km before the fuel light came on, now it comes on at 125-130km.

[Creed7777]

Good to know...thanks M!G

[Dayv]

Pete, I got mine done at bikebiz $80 remapped all good with latest RACE map.
RACE appears on dash. I'm running the AR gp can, best $80 Iv'e ever spent on a motorbike.


When you say you got yours unlocked for $80 did you have a akro pipe first OR did it have the AR ???
I rang my dealer to investigate and yep he said about $100 but when I told him I had the AR slip on and no Akro he said no he couldnt unlock it telling me I have to purchase the Race ECU from Aprilla which he will do for a tad under $1000.

[Pete Gala]

Hey Dayv yeah that is right. The akro unlock is specific to that akro pipe. Here in aus not sure if it same elswhere, the akro pipe runs real lean. Aprilia have created the race unlock code to be specific to only Akra pipes.

So if you would like to put on an AR pipe you have to purchase the Race ECU. The difference between the two is that the mapping is more suited to aftermarket pipes, as appose to the unlock race akro mapping which is only suited to the akro.

You can buy the Race ECU from AF1 and it is heaps cheaper than $1000.00 more like AU$700!

Hope that makes sense.

[Pete Gala]

I am thinking about getting the Akrapovic slip-on with ECU code (http://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=7907). I mainly want it for the sound but I hate backfiring. Has anyone using this had any backfiring?

No backfiring here!

[MarkyPancake]

The akro unlock is specific to that akro pipe. Here in aus not sure if it same elswhere, the akro pipe runs real lean. Aprilia have created the race unlock code to be specific to only Akra pipes.

So if you would like to put on an AR pipe you have to purchase the Race ECU. The difference between the two is that the mapping is more suited to aftermarket pipes, as appose to the unlock race akro mapping which is only suited to the akro.

I never got that impression from all the things I've read about Aprilia's race map. I thought the code that comes with the Akropovic simply allows the dealer to unlock the stock ECU and install the race map, but if you buy any other exhaust you either have to buy a Race ECU or get AF1 to install the race map to the stock ECU their way, so either way it's the same race map, no matter which method is used. The only difference now is there's a 2010 non-aPRC race map and 2011 aPRC race map.

[Pete Gala]

Again not sure if it is the same in other countries but here in oz I spoke to the importers manager and he advised me that the maps are different. The unlock code is a specific code to unlock the ecu that is correct but the race map is different than the race ecu map. He told me that the race ecu has been designed for all other pipes whilst the Aprilia map is different as the Akro pipe runs super lean.

This is what he has advised me. That being said I have not seen both maps and hence ane only going on the advise that Aprilia has given me. I'd love to see both of the maps though to confirm.

[MarkyPancake]

If you buy the Akrapovic from anywhere except Aprilia, you will not get the unlock code and the only options then are the Race ECU or AF1 stock update. Aprilia just say you need the race map or Race ECU, regardless of the type of aftermarket exhaust because they all supposedly run lean.

All the information I've read says the Race ECU has got the same map as getting the race map installed on a stock ECU. The only way to be sure there are different ones would be to get hold of the Australian Akrapovic race map version number, standard race map version number (if there are indeed two different race maps) and compare it with US and Euro race map version numbers.

I'm not trying to be awkward, I'm just trying to make sure we've all got the correct information, as the whole mapping thing can be frustrating, particularly when some approved Aprilia dealers don't know what they're talking about on this subject.

[amauri]

I'm not trying to be awkward, I'm just trying to make sure we've all got the correct information, as the whole mapping thing can be frustrating, particularly when some approved Aprilia dealers don't know what they're talking about on this subject.

This is exactly the same situation we experienced back in 2004, when the new RSV2 arrived. Or if you want to go back even further to 2001, with the RST Futura and ETV Caponord models.

Those bikes were the first Aprilias (that I know of) to have an upgradable ECU, like we have with the V4.

Here we are 10 years later and the dealers still can't get it straight.

Aprilia still distributes bulletins to dealers, advising them to update customer's bikes to the new map/software, just like in 2001.
The bulletins describe how to perform the update, they list what improvements these updates offer, and specific details about what bikes are involved. In many cases, they list a certain VIN range of bikes affected.

Aprilia documents the info and distributes to the dealers, so why is still so difficult to get a straight answer from many dealers?

They've even made it easier by introducing the PC based Navigator system.
The old AXONE required a dealer to manually download and install the updated software to the AXONE first before updating a bike. The Navigator updates itself each time you power it up connected to the internet.

My only guess is that many dealers don't care enough to log on to serviceaprilia.com and read the bulletins on a regular basis.

[Ed / AF1 Racing]

great post Amauri....so true

even sadder, is you can setup auto emails of all the bulletins to your shop.

You also have to pass through the bulletin screen everytime you go to the new e-parts parts lookup system (very powerful BTW).

[amauri]

This whole mapping confusion thing it the main reason I got so involved with Aprilia bikes in the first place.

Back in 2003 I purchased a Tuono Racing, I was very impressed with the build quality and performance.
A year later, I purchased a slightly damaged 04 Factory and turned it into a track only bike.
I installed the Aprilia/Akro full system and asked my local dealer to switch to Map variant-2.

When I got the bike back it ran terrible, stalling, backfiring, surging, just not right.
Took it back, but dealer could not find anything wrong.
Drove across town to the other dealer, they couldn't fix it either.

I was so frustrated and upset that I purchased my own AXONE and got a hold of a password that allowed me to access serviceaprilia.com.
I read the bulletins and within minutes had my bike running perfectly, with a simple map update and a couple settings via the AXONE.

Keep in mind that at that time I was just another customer, I was working in the IT business and motorcycles were just a hobby.

To make a long story short, I started posting here and soon everyone in So Cal with the same problems I experienced, came to me for map updates and lived happily ever after with their Aprilias.

[MarkyPancake]

I am seriously thinking about investing in a Navigator, if I can secure an Aprilia one along with the subscription. I wouldn't have any problems learning it do be able to perform things like map changes and throttle learning. At least then I'll know the correct map has been installed and it has been done properly.

[micao]

Just want to check! I know my dealer have the AXONE but not the Navigator. Is it correct that the map update and throttle learning procedure still can be done at the RSV4 Factory aPRC with the AXONE or do it require the Navigator these days? I will sometimes in the near future probably update my bike with a slip-on and unlock key or race ECU.

[amauri]

The AXONE is not able load the new maps.

[micao]

The AXONE is not able load the new maps.

OK! Thank you for this clarification.

[Dayv]

All clarified ....Race ECU here I come...

[Creed7777]

Big problem! although my local dealer got their Navigator finally working they now won't load the race map; they contacted their tech rep with Aprilia USA and were told that if I load the race map for a non-Akrapovic pipe (I had the dealer install a new LeoVince carbon slip-on) then my warranty will be voided.

So at this point I am at a loss for what to do, even if I buy the race ECU it won't do me any good without the Navigator; will still need to perform throttle learning procedure, and once my dealer notices "RACE" on the display they won't honor the warrantee. Funny thing is that they will honor the warrantee with the LeoVince with stock map; which from what I gather on this forum with result in my bike running lean. Any ideas?

[Deacon]

I have the race ECu with a Leo slip on. My dealer did the throttle learn and has honored all warranty claims. That being said, they wouldn't download the 2011 mapping as it might put me in "danger".......I had to go to the other dealer in the area who was more than happy to do so. Unfortunate that the knowledge/understanding and behavior varies so much from dealer to dealer. Not good for the brand at all.

[MarkyPancake]

Big problem! although my local dealer got their Navigator finally working they now won't load the race map; they contacted their tech rep with Aprilia USA and were told that if I load the race map for a non-Akrapovic pipe (I had the dealer install a new LeoVince carbon slip-on) then my warranty will be voided.

So at this point I am at a loss for what to do, even if I buy the race ECU it won't do me any good without the Navigator; will still need to perform throttle learning procedure, and once my dealer notices "RACE" on the display they won't honor the warrantee. Funny thing is that they will honor the warrantee with the LeoVince with stock map; which from what I gather on this forum with result in my bike running lean. Any ideas?

These are Aprilia's own words about the Racing ECU:


A new dedicated racing ECU for RSV4 Factory and R, allready mapped with racing injection/ignition mapping, to be used in combination with aftermarket exhaust systems (both full system and slip-on) NOT supplied by Aprilia

The wildly varied dealer support and knowledge really isn't good enough for a bike that costs as much as the RSV4 does. As much as I love my Factory, I have considered going back to a Japanese brand just because I know I have official and independent support locally that know what they're doing with these bikes. My concern with the RSV4 is that it will not be treated as it should be when it goes in for services, etc.

My preferred dealer has got all the big Japanese brands and Honda insist that their bikes are kept separate from the other brands. Not only is this the case, the Honda showroom also has its own service area, so all the Hondas essentially have their own private support. When I bought my pre-owned Fireblade I never had to anything myself to transfer the ownership of the bike to me, the dealer and Honda communicated between themselves about this and within a few weeks I had received a welcome letter and confirmation of the transfer of the remaining warranty period into my name. I've had my RSV4 for three months and have only received a letter about the roadside assistance. No welcome pack, no confirmation my bike has been registered with them and nothing about my warranty. This is very poor for the amount it cost and coupled with the dealer support issues, it's no wonder you don't see many on the road.

[Pete Gala]

It is unfortunante that some people do not have a trusted dealer. I have a great mechanic in Sydney actually 2 to choose from and hence do not have the issues faced in some other places of the world.

That being said, I have also been advised by Aprilia to purchase the Race ECU as it is for aftermarket slip ons and full systems. However am yet to make up my mind as I have the Race map installed already for the Akro pipe. I am waiting to see a difference or comparison of the two maps to make up my mind.

I have a meeting with Aprilia and I will be hopefully speaking to them about this to clarify it. I will post up the findings once done.

I just hope it is not a ploy to purchase a Race ECU that has the same bloddy map in it as he Akro race mapping already installed.

[Dejavu]

Pete, what year is your rsv4? i just purchased a 2011 factory and was thinking about the austin racing exhaust but all this talk abuot warrenty and trying to tune it and what not is sorta just made me think its easier just to be a sheep and get an akrapovic!

[Dejavu]

WTF!!!!!

Then how are American based Aprilia Dealers charging +$400!!!!
(At Least)

Well at least you dont have to pay 32k for the factory.....whats a factory in the US...2011 is like 23k there....u saving 9k on us already....we gotta get something cheap here eventually

[kruczkowski666]

fanally done.race ecu instoled an my rsv4 factory by new haven powersports in ct.best $700 i ever spend.

[buckmaster]

where is the connector to hook the axone too ?

Af1 did the 2011 race map for me but I have to do the throttle bodie sync & throttle learn

Im taking mine to the dealer here but they said they have never had a rsv4 so I want to make it an easy ordeal ..

Thanks !

[jgos929]

The plug is in the tail. When you lift the cowl you'll see a little white plug.

[buckmaster]

Thanks alot !!!

[Ed / AF1 Racing]

It's the black connector in the tail with a black cap on it

The white one is for dash flashes/ updates ( there aren't any at this time)

[buckmaster]

Cool , they got it done , bike is runnin nice ..

[Micke65]

Euro bike stock vs akkro :)

[Chris_Mag]

Euro bike stock vs akkro :)

You should note that this is from a Tuono V4, which uses a different mapping strategy.

[Micke65]

cant you read Chris ? Rsv4 Factory ....

[Chris_Mag]

cant you read Chris ? Rsv4 Factory ....

My bad, but that's the same chart you posted on the Tuono V4 forums.

What year RSV4? How did they get a A/F read on a stock exhaust?

It's not your bike, so who gave you the chart? What shop or company did the dyno pulls?

I'll be honest, those graphs look enough alike that I'm not convinced that they're from two different exhausts (Akra and stock, right?). There there an accompanying HP/Torque graph?

[Pete Gala]

Pete, what year is your rsv4? i just purchased a 2011 factory and was thinking about the austin racing exhaust but all this talk abuot warrenty and trying to tune it and what not is sorta just made me think its easier just to be a sheep and get an akrapovic!

Dude sorry for the late reply it is a 2010. And I just installed the race ecu map and works great. No warranty issues bro so just get the AR if that is the one your looking for.

[Micke65]

I'll be honest, those graphs look enough alike that I'm not convinced that they're from two different exhausts (Akra and stock, right?).

Yes akkro and stock .

I have a feeling that you never will be convinced....

[AchiRooster]

Is there someone (who is reliable) here in Europe that can instal a RACE map on the stock ECU? I am trying to avoid sending my ecu to the US to AF1 from Greece.

[FOLLOWYOURHEART]

According to my opinion it is better to pay 465 EUROS and purchase the race ECU, just for the reason to keep your warranty valid.

[scott2ride]

I see on the Dynojet website they are now selling the Power Commander PC5. The wide band commander and auto tune is also able to be used with the PCv with the RSV4 .

[AchiRooster]

Ed my question is: Is your RACE software exactly as the RACE software we can get from Aprilia RACE ecu?

[Ed / AF1 Racing]

Ed my question is: Is your RACE software exactly as the RACE software we can get from Aprilia RACE ecu?

yes, same maps.

A RACE ECU is just a stock ECU pre-loaded with the RACE mapping.

[amauri]

Ed my question is: Is your RACE software exactly as the RACE software we can get from Aprilia RACE ecu?

Absotuletly yes.
Even the "RACE" ECU you buy from Aprilia will need to be updated with the same new software/maps.

[Kyro]

An do you know if "a stock ECU pre-loaded with the RACE mapping" will be as easy to update as a race ECU which is unlocked.

Do we need the AKRA map code everytime we will update the software inside the stock ECU ?

The race ECU will not need any code to be updated ?

[Ed / AF1 Racing]

yes, updates the exact same.....just do not ever load a non-RACE map into the RACE ECU or one of ours, as that relocks it. There is no reason to ever do this, so its a non-issue.

It does not take the codes again for updating for instance 2010 RACE to 2011 RACE. It only takes codes going from NON-RACE (any version) to RACE (any version)

[Kyro]

Thanks a lot for your answer.
So stock ECU with RACE map is exactly the same as RACE ecu.

Really good news for :)

[Ed / AF1 Racing]

Thanks a lot for your answer.
So stock ECU with RACE map is exactly the same as RACE ecu.

Really good news for :)

yes, same thing

[OlliW]

There seems to no message about the following so I´ll ask the stupid question:
Aprilia sells the racing electrics kit with the programmable APX2 ecu so
1) Is it even possible to use this on a road bike
2) Would there be any advantage of using this on a road bike.
As I understand, the APX2 is a lot more adjustable than the standard ecu, where the std and race maps are just pre-programeed (and updated) but unadjustable maps.
Price and availability might be an issue here also.

[AchiRooster]

About 2 weeks ago I saw on ebay an ECU from an RSV4 R 2010YM. I figured the ecu is the same with mine(Factory APRC 2011YM) just the maps inside are different. I immediately emailed Steve over at AF1 Racing and asked him if this particular ecu fits on my bike. He said it does, confirming my thoughts that the maps only differ and not the actual ecu device. I placed a bid and the next day the ecu was on the way to Ed to re-program the RACE maps. It took 1 day to arrive from Ca. to Texas and another day for Ed to work his magic on the ecu. I paid the fee to AF1 Racing plus shipping and the ecu was on the way to me to Greece.
I did this because i was not comfortable taking my ecu and shipping it to the US and then having it shipped back to me. I am located in Greece and the main dealer is about 250km away from me. So yesterday I loaded up my RSV4 on the trailer and went to the main dealer to install the ecu. I already knew that upgrades were available but didn't know how to tell them that this ecu is not the actual RACE ecu made by Aprilia but by Af1 in the US. Also, the bike is still under warranty. So needless to say I was a bit on the stressed side because I did not know what to expect. When I arrived and had the bike on the bench stripped I gave them the ecu and when they saw it they asked if I was sure if this fits on my bike. I said let's find out. When the bike was connected to the dealer's computer they said that there is an upgrade as well for the TC, and the gyroscopic sensors and we might as well do that too. I smiled and said sure do what you have to do! Then they said that the ecu works fine and soon as I saw the RACE on the speedo all my worries went to rest. So now I have the RACE map, the upgrade from Aprilia and the mechanic removed the cables that open/close the fly in the exhaust pipe. He said I do not really need it, it is only for noise and emmissions. As soon as the bike started with the new ecu the sound was deeper and a bit louder and of course I got an erection :devil: I still have my ecu intact so if something happens, or I would like to sell the race ecu i can still do it.
So my whole experience with AF1 Racing was very possitive and would like thank both Steve and Ed for the great work they do! Even though I am 1000s of miles/kms away everything went so smooth.
Thanks guys!!!!
You rock! :peace:

[AchiRooster]

Some fotos of my RSV4 factory aPRC (still a work in progress):

[Tazadar]

Hi guys!

Been browsing the forum for some time now, and have a question about what map to use...
I have a RSV4R from 2010, and i bought a Bazzaz for it. (Stupid without a race ecu, i know that now^^ )
However, i have a power drop at about 6k revs, and have heard that the race ecu map can fix this.
So i drive the bike to Helsingborg here in sweden. (Plus 1c cold!!) And i wonder what is the name of the map i should use? They said something about a map 102 or 103.????
I have a Mivv slipon and highflow airfilter.

If they cant fix my mapping problem i just might have to send it to the guy that unlocks the ECU in USA....
The Ed guy ^^

Thanks in advance!

[Peteren]

You still need to go to a dealer for handle and throttle learning .

Hello Ed, I have just ordered the Aprilia/Akra slipon system and have requested the unlock option on the ECU, can you elaborate on what the dealer has to do for the handle and throttle learning?

I would like to ensure they get this right before I trailer the bike 400 kilometres home.

Cheers

[Ed / AF1 Racing]

Hello Ed, I have just ordered the Aprilia/Akra slipon system and have requested the unlock option on the ECU, can you elaborate on what the dealer has to do for the handle and throttle learning?

I would like to ensure they get this right before I trailer the bike 400 kilometres home.

Cheers

he should really know how to do it....ask him how many they've done.

for loading the RACE mapping, he'll plug in and go to REPROGRAMMING, select the AKRA map, enter unlock code, and then follow the on screen prompts.

for the handle / throttle learning, he needs to plug in and go to DIAGNOSIS, and do the two steps HANDLE LEARNING and then THROTTLE SELF LEARNING, and follow the on-screen prompts