MGS01 Pics I found

[OZSLR]

A few years ago and in another career life, I was fortunate enough to uncrate an MGS01 and trailer it down to the Supers as part of the display at the expo. I found the pics I took when cleaning up my HDD at home last night, thought a few might be interested. What struck me particularly, was how Narrow and small it was in the flesh.

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7595/imgp4347.jpg (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/imgp4347.jpg/)
http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/3521/imgp4348.jpg (http://img709.imageshack.us/i/imgp4348.jpg/)
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/3990/imgp4349.jpg (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/imgp4349.jpg/)
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/622/imgp4350k.jpg (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/imgp4350k.jpg/)
http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/548/imgp4351.jpg (http://img709.imageshack.us/i/imgp4351.jpg/)
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5458/imgp4353.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/i/imgp4353.jpg/)

[Bill in OKC]

I want that bike more than anything else I can think of. What a shame they don't slap an 8V and some lights on that thing. I saw one at the Cycle World show in Dallas one year. Thanks for posting!

[teacherboy]

Wow, haven't seen that in a while. Still an awesome looking machine. Thanks for posting :peace:

[SoulDaddy]

What struck me particularly, was how Narrow and small it was in the flesh.


That's what she said ...


Gee, that triple clamp looks awfully familiar. Hmm, where have I seen that before ... ?


What a great machine. :plus:

[SF2DieHard]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yum.

[pete roper]

Unfortunately it's dead in the water. It used the 'Old' six speed which has been discontinued and the V11 bevelbox and floating arm arrangement which are also non starters.

I'd love it if they built something similar with the Nuovo 8V and drivetrain but I can't see them doing so as I think Piaggio sees Guzzi as not having a 'Sportsbike' market segment which is insane as something that LOOKED like that would fly out the door without a doubt.

I wouldn't want one because I'm a fat, wheezy, old grump who can't fit on a sports bike for more than an hour without needing seven days of chiropractoring afterwards! Lots of people would though and if I can get 104HP out of my Griso they should be able to hog the donk out to 1400CC and tune it to produce 115 easily enough which is *almost* respectable. Some folks in Europe have been pulling 115 out of the 1200 and I'm aiming for 110 with a PCV and Autotune package but my main aim if to fatten up the torque curve in th midrange rather than more ponies at the rear wheel. The bloody thing is fast enough for me now when its bouncing off the rev limiter at 146MPH!

Pete

[SF2DieHard]

I wouldn't want one because I'm a fat, wheezy, old grump who can't fit on a sports bike for more than an hour without needing seven days of chiropractoring afterwards!
Pete

:funnypost
I'm not that bad off. yet. Yeah, I would love to wrap myself around something that looks like the MGS01 but............. I would actually buy something a little less tortorous to the ergo's. But then I wasn't bothered by the ergo's of that 1999 Laverda 750S that I had................
who am I kidding?? I'm 46 now!!

[FORZA]

They were fairly comfy to be honest, no worse than an 1100 Sport comfort wise from memory.

Trev, if you remember we had one down in the workshop for a while???
I got bored late one afternoon so we fired it up, it was a very nice sound & the engine felt really responsive. Couldn't ride it because it wasnt sold but would have happily strapped the trade plate on & done a couple of laps of Milperra if I could have.

I got to see the prototype stuff & workshop where they were originally designed & built at the factory too. Got a very good tour from one of the electronics engineer's named Paolo Zelosi (I think) who took me almost everywhere inside.

Definately a horn bike.

Dave Ward
Moto Italia
Aprilia-Ducati-Moto Guzzi
0432 441 985

[pete roper]

They were fairly comfy to be honest, no worse than an 1100 Sport comfort wise from memory.




I rests me case m'lud! Riding an 1100 Sport is probably only slightly less ruinous to one's wellbeing than trying to do an olympic gymnastics floor routine in a field full of Claymore mines. I'm convinced that two thirds of the orthopaedic beds in Australia are filled with 1100 Sport owners who have become 'Permanent Residents' in the spinal unit!

Pete

[FORZA]

Makes me feel good Pete, I must not be that worn out as I find them comfy.
Maybe its the years of riding bevel SS Ducati's that has warped my sense of a comfortable bike???

I get sore wrists riding my upright T3 around yet can ride with clip-ons all day???

I would like an MGS just because they look so horn though.

Dave Ward
Moto Italia
Aprilia-Ducati-Moto Guzzi
0432 441 985

[OZSLR]

You lucky bugger Dave, I never got to hear it. Just uncrated, put air in the tyres and off we went. I would have to say it was the sexiest bike I have ever seen and would be the first purchase if the coloured balls dropped with my numbers on them.

The one in the picture ended up going down to Tassie and from memory, added to Micks collection.

I remember hearing that Piaggio was hesitant in pushing the sports domain with Guzzi, prefering to keep that segment for Aprilia, but I know when Beggio bought Guzzi, he did so as he said Aprilia had the technology, but Guzzi the Marque and he wanted to combine the 2 and leverage on the history. Makes you wonder what we would be seeing now if he had retained the big seat.

I would think it not too hard to adapt the Griso with bodywork similar, especially when something like this is achievable!!

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5920/grisozero1.jpg (http://img685.imageshack.us/i/grisozero1.jpg/)

[SF2DieHard]

That is HOT. :)

[vananator]

thanks for the pics! I wish they would have made them in numbers. I would have one-VAN

[RossGuzzi]

Looks good eh?


And the bike !!! :banana:

[fwagman]

Remember seeing an MGS01 in my local dealer at £15000. Wasn't into trackdays then but it would give me a serious twitch if i saw one now. The dealer reckoned most would go into a collection and never see action.

Let's hope the V12 concept makes it into the flesh and is stripped down enough to track.

[SF2DieHard]

hey hey fwagman. you found your way down to the land of the "ditchpumps". :)
soon you will complete the "path to the darkside" and find yourself owning some sort of Guzzi.
D-Master

[sky hy ironman]

Ozslr thanks for the photos. Great pics of a great looking bike. A true beauty.

[fwagman]

hey hey fwagman. you found your way down to the land of the "ditchpumps". :)
soon you will complete the "path to the darkside" and find yourself owning some sort of Guzzi.
D-Master

Peace be upon you, SF2 - I AM ON THE DARKSIDE :worship: :worship:

In my garage I have a Griso with Termi pipe from which i seem to have lost the baffle. This is my first MG but the price was a no brainer - £6000 brand new & 0% interest for the 1100cc model as opposed to £8600 for the 1200cc next to it. Shiny black.
Love the way it rocks to the side at a standstill - should get the missus on it to experience the vibes but she aint a bike fan. Still, I not a pillion fan

Heavy old mother (the Griso that is) to push around but looses the weight on the move and can be made to hustle sportsbikes on the twisties. Not put too many miles on it yet but should manage a few 000s this summer.

If they make the V12 to track spec like the MGSO1, i would seriously consider it. Think taking the Griso on the track would be a step too far though ....

[SF2DieHard]

:plus::banana::cheers:
Excellent. now we have to corrupt stickmeister into owning a Guzzi and the "circle will be complete".
D-Master

[OZSLR]

Think taking the Griso on the track would be a step too far though ....

Where's your sense of adventure? A number of years ago, I had a track day given as a present but ended up selling the intended bike and was left only with a week old Triumph Speedmaster. I had an absolute ball, forward controls and all!

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/6807/taspeediepismall.jpg (http://img715.imageshack.us/i/taspeediepismall.jpg/)

[SF2DieHard]

it's easier to feel like to hero with your foot-pegs that close to the ground, eh? :)

[pete roper]

Peace be upon you, SF2 - I AM ON THE DARKSIDE :worship: :worship:

In my garage I have a Griso with Termi pipe from which i seem to have lost the baffle. .


You may well find it will run considerably better with the baffle in The W5.9 equipped bikes seem to need a lot of restriction in the pipe, (I don't like the term 'Back Pressure') to run well. Every 1100 Griso I've seen, including my own, ran a lot better with a more restrictive pipe. You bike is painted black so it'll scare off homos anyway, you don't need a loud pipe. If you do want more noise try drilling the airbox lid. It makes a satisfactory 'Honk' for the rider whil not annoying the piss out of the 'Normals'. and it may well make the bike run a bit better up top where it is far too rich.

Also worth doing is packing the engine temperature sensor with some sort of conductive paste, I use zinc based anti seize, as quite often there is an air gap betwixt the tip of the snsor and the head any you get a false, cooler, temperature reading so the ECU pumps in more fuel than neccessary. Be careful screwing in the sensor after this and leave it a bit loose until you've heated the motor up. That way the excess can creep out up the threads without spliting the plastic holder hydraulically. Once hot srew it in fully but not too tight.

Finally there is a second map, obtusely designated the GRS11003 map, (The original was the 002, go figure) that makes a small but noticeable difference to the fueling especially in the midrange. It's worth getting it uploaded.

Pete

[JAndrewG]

Peace be upon you, SF2 - I AM ON THE DARKSIDE :worship: :worship:

In my garage I have a Griso with Termi pipe from which i seem to have lost the baffle. This is my first MG but the price was a no brainer - £6000 brand new & 0% interest for the 1100cc model as opposed to £8600 for the 1200cc next to it. Shiny black.
Love the way it rocks to the side at a standstill - should get the missus on it to experience the vibes but she aint a bike fan. Still, I not a pillion fan

Heavy old mother (the Griso that is) to push around but looses the weight on the move and can be made to hustle sportsbikes on the twisties. Not put too many miles on it yet but should manage a few 000s this summer.

If they make the V12 to track spec like the MGSO1, i would seriously consider it. Think taking the Griso on the track would be a step too far though ....

I have GOT to get a Guzzi... someday. I'll be heading over to Moto International in Seattle soon to pick up my new RSVR to replace the one I killed in October. Everytime I go over there I gape and drool over the Guzzi stock Dave has. Love that Grizo photo posted earlier in this thread- gawd that thing is good looking.

Yup, someday... at this point it still feels like it'll be a V11 or a Grizo. I've read that the Grizo 2v 1100 is stronger down low than the 4v 1200... that sounds like the difference between the Ducati 2v and 4v engines.

[OZSLR]

it's easier to feel like to hero with your foot-pegs that close to the ground, eh? :)

Hehehe, the footpegs lifted up for a bit more lean angle, but the pipes were as far as I could go!

I'd love to do a track day on a Griso!

[fwagman]

Where's your sense of adventure? A number of years ago, I had a track day given as a present but ended up selling the intended bike and was left only with a week old Triumph Speedmaster. I had an absolute ball, forward controls and all!


Life's a bitch, ain't it. Have to choose between R6 and RSV4 (when it returns) both track only and fully prepared or the Griso with only the termi cans as a mod ........... Actually, once took a Z1000 on the track and did have a ball but the suspension was shite and ended up with a hole in the right side can where it scrapped the track every lap on the hairpin. So i would take the Griso for a laugh. Hell, the way i seem to trash bikes, it might be the only one left by the end of the season.

And thanks Peter Roper for the advice. Much appreciated. I will try it with both the baffle in and out to see if it makes a difference. (It was British humour when i said i had "lost" it - Plod like to make a fuss about such things here). I have to keep the bike fairly standard as i help Plod out with training road riders not to kill themselves (so the baffle will have to go in for those days in any case).

Cheers, Fellas

[SF2DieHard]

So i would take the Griso for a laugh. Hell, the way i seem to trash bikes, it might be the only one left by the end of the season.



:banana: too true.

Speaking of 4valvers - I did get a reasonable amount of seat time piloting a friends V10 Centauro and it did wake the Hell up when I spun the tach up top. but it still had great grunt everywhere. The V10 had the very bad taste to really come alive above 90mph. Bad, Bad V10. A _lot_ of trouble with the Bub "Bad Dog" pipes that machine was packing. nothing civil about those pipes at all.
D-Master

[Fredrc30]

Unfortunately it's dead in the water. It used the 'Old' six speed which has been discontinued and the V11 bevelbox and floating arm arrangement which are also non starters.

They made another 4 in 2008 and I'm pleased to say I snagged one. Gorgeous beast!

[Bill in OKC]

That is the first I've heard of this. Do you know why that came about? Any info would be cool - and of course pics!!!!
P.S. you are a lucky !@#$

[Fredrc30]

That is the first I've heard of this. Do you know why that came about? Any info would be cool - and of course pics!!!!
P.S. you are a lucky !@#$

I had been sniffing around for one for a while, and a UK dealer (Twiggers) let me know about the extra production, and that if I paid a deposit pronto the unsold one of the four could be mine...no hesitation there!

[scubacat]

Sweat mother of God...That is perhaps one of the sexiest bikes I have EVER seen. :worship:

[JohnG.]

Looks good eh?


And the bike !!! :banana:

Ross,
And these two for sale...
http://www.bikepoint.com.au/all-bikes/results.aspx?Ns=p_RankSort_Int32%7C1%7C%7Cp_Make_S tring%7C0%7C%7Cp_Model_String%7C0%7C%7Cp_YearMade_ Int32%7C1%7C%7Cp_PriceSort_Decimal%7C1&N=1432+604+1430+1429+1428+4294967223+4294960261&TabID=2207444&keywords=&Nne=15

that must be the entire OZ population of MGS'

[RossGuzzi]

No there is one over here in Perth. It gets used for the odd track day.

I love how in the above listing they class it as a 'Sports Tourer' !

[pete roper]

And free on-road costs? I can see them taking it to the DMV in Qld. with no lights, no indicators, no compliance plate and no tread on the tyres and getting it through. Mind you it would just be like most of the other vehicles on Qld. roads wouldn't it??

Pete

[Bill in OKC]

I'll take a black one, no maybe the white...

http://www.infomotori.com/moto/2009/03/06/moto-guzzi-mgs-01-strada/

[RossGuzzi]

What a sweet ass !

[apriliabob]

...like this.

[SF2DieHard]

I'll take both - the redhead and the blonde.

DM

[InvictaZ3]

Double Jailbait?

[apriliabob]

I'll take a black one, no maybe the white...

http://www.infomotori.com/moto/2009/03/06/moto-guzzi-mgs-01-strada/

What's the deal with these bikes? Are they going to actually produce them? I'll buy one today!

Or is their idea to just make prototypes for us to wank over? :spankie: Not fair!

[pete roper]

What's the deal with these bikes? Are they going to actually produce them? I'll buy one today!

Or is their idea to just make prototypes for us to wank over? :spankie: Not fair!

MGS-01 is track only bike with highly tuned version of obsolete motor fitted with obsolete gearbox in obsolete, low production frame with killer looks. It's not readily 'Streetable' but you can buy one if you wish and if your juristiction is lax enough you can put lights on it and register it. Thing is the Nuovo 8V motive package is much better than the 'Old' Hi-Cam motor and all the CARC equipped bikes have better rear suspension and stronger frames than the MGS-01.

Yes, it's got killer looks, if you like that sort of thing, but essentially it's an over-tuned, unreliable shit-heap.

Pete

[Bill in OKC]

What's the deal with these bikes? Are they going to actually produce them? I'll buy one today!

Or is their idea to just make prototypes for us to wank over? :spankie: Not fair!

I'm guessing door number 3. I'd buy one too. Those pics show a different motor - maybe a 2-valve? I'd have hoped the headlight would be in the center and the air intakes on the sides of the nose. They whooped up on the other twins at Daytona 3 or 4 years ago, so it got that going for it.

[apriliabob]

...Yes, it's got killer looks, if you like that sort of thing, but essentially it's an over-tuned, unreliable shit-heap. Pete

But tell us how you really feel, Pete!

I confess to being half Italian, and I do tend to lose all my common sense around things of beauty. Still, if they built it (an updated, modern version), I would come (!) :p:

[pete roper]

Don't get me wrong, I'd love Piaggio to allow Guzzi to sell a 'Proper' sportsbike, or a least something styled like a modern sportsbike. The thing is that the old oil/air cooled platform of the Nuovo 8V is still uncompettitively heavy and underpowered for anything like a 'Real' sportsbike.

The MGS-01 boasted about 130RWHP I believe but it was a true 'Race' bike and if you read the service shedule you're supposed to start throwing away expensive stuff like con-rods every 10-15 hours or so! The whole thing about race bikes is that they can blow themselves into a zillion fragments the moment they are over the line but they HAVE to get over the line! That's why they are so powerful. you build them to within a gnat's cock of their fatigue and endurance levels and then replace parts frequently, (We even have to do this on our old Guzzi Roundfin Racer that we campaign in the NSW Post Classic Championships here in Oz.). Run a bike like that on the road and it will die rapidly and very expensively.

It's my belief that with some care and attention to mapping and a few cam mods the 'Nuovo 8V' as used in the Griso/Sport/Stelvio etc should be able to have about 120RWHP coaxed out of it without too many reliability problems BUT it will still be heavy. It'd make a superb 'Road going' sportsbike. I'd love to see it, but I dunno if it'll happen.

Pete

[apriliabob]

Well, the prototypes pictured on this website:

http://www.infomotori.com/moto/2009/03/06/moto-guzzi-mgs-01-strada/

certainly look like production ready bikes with the new motor and the updated frame. I certaily am not looking for a "hand grenade" with lights, but it shouldn't be that hard for M-G to adapt that styling to a contemporary machine. Of course, Piaggio may not agree. I've just never heard anyone say that if they made an MGS-01 facsimile for the road, that they wouldn't buy it.

[pete roper]

Well, the prototypes pictured on this website:

http://www.infomotori.com/moto/2009/03/06/moto-guzzi-mgs-01-strada/

certainly look like production ready bikes with the new motor and the updated frame. I certaily am not looking for a "hand grenade" with lights, but it shouldn't be that hard for M-G to adapt that styling to a contemporary machine. Of course, Piaggio may not agree. I've just never heard anyone say that if they made an MGS-01 facsimile for the road, that they wouldn't buy it.

Well it's hard to tell if it is a photoshop or not but that is the Nuovo 8V in that bike not the 'Old' Hi-Cam as used on the original MGS-01. There are no pics of the RH side of the bike but the swingarm is the original Ghezzi design which would sem to me to imply that it is probably a photoshop of the 'New' Hi-Cam heads on an old pic of an MGS-01 with lights. It also appears to still have a crank mounted alternator which would have to be used if they were going to go the MGS frame route as the Griso/Norge/Sport engines all have a large alternator in the valley where the MGS frame sits.

To my mind going back to the MGS frame package which used the 'Old' six speed and the earlier bevelbox and exposed driveshaft would be a retrograde step and to be honest I can't see them puting the 'Old' six speed and bevelbox back into production for this one machine. It doesn't, especially now, make any kind of fiscal or business sense.

As I said. I'd love to see it. I just don't think I believe it. If you look between the tank and the head there is also something that looks suspiciously like a belt pulley, (Although it *might* be a horn.) Proof if it is that it's a photoshop as the Nuovo Hi-Cam has it's cams driven by chain up the back of the cylinders rather than by belt and pulley up the front.

Pete

[SF2DieHard]

MGS-01 is track only bike with highly tuned version of obsolete motor fitted with obsolete gearbox in obsolete, low production frame with killer looks. It's not readily 'Streetable' but you can buy one if you wish and if your juristiction is lax enough you can put lights on it and register it. Thing is the Nuovo 8V motive package is much better than the 'Old' Hi-Cam motor and all the CARC equipped bikes have better rear suspension and stronger frames than the MGS-01.

Yes, it's got killer looks, if you like that sort of thing, but essentially it's an over-tuned, unreliable shit-heap.
Pete

That was the unfortunate truth about the 1999 Laverda 750 I had. A lot of great things about owning and riding that machine but It was a hand-grenade waiting to blow up. :(
Which is a LOT of my current interest in air-cooled EFI Guzzi's - fun and reliable. A Long Lasting machine. And that is why I love all the reports of the new changes to the Guzzi's (like the CARC).
Yes, Pete - that is a compliment to you. I am paying a LOT of attention to what you are saying about the better attributes of these new machines so I can buy myself the best Guzzi possible.

DungeonMaster

[Bill in OKC]

Guzzi didn't sell a lot of 1100 sports here in the US. The Daytona probably even less. Still they built them and there was a lot of fun to be had. A similar machine with all the modern hardware would be great fun. I doubt Guzzi will ever build the Strada (after waiting ? 5-6 ? years lol) but I'm still hopeful. In the mean time I am reduced to considering a Harley :crowbar:

[SF2DieHard]

Buy a Bassa/California?
No, it's not a Bellagio but it rocks.

[aaron field]

Love the MGS 01 would love to see Guzzi put these into production for road going to compete against the ducats superbike.

[pete roper]

They can't. Its obsolete technology using parts no longer manufactured, the 'Old' Hi-Cam is too noisy and dirty and if you have a look at the service schedule for the MGS-01 you'll see it is a *true* race bike. You throw most of the engine away every few hours. Its just not practical as a road bike.

I would love to see a new 'Sporting' Guzzi but as long as they have shaft drive and any itteration of the oil cooled motor they won't be able to make it light enough, strong enough or powerful enough to compete as a 'Road Going' sports bike.

Does that make them a bad bike or prevent there being a 'Nuovo LeMans' in the wings? No, not at all, but as with all the previous 'sporting' Guzzis it would be down on power and up on weight when compared to say a Ducati or an RSV-4. There are whispers of a new 'Sports' package being developed using the Nuovo Hi-Cam but it'll be a few years off and as I said, so far only rumours.....

Pete

[apriliabob]

She sure is purdy though! :lover:

[OZSLR]

Does that make them a bad bike or prevent there being a 'Nuovo LeMans' in the wings? No, not at all, but as with all the previous 'sporting' Guzzis it would be down on power and up on weight when compared to say a Ducati or an RSV-4. There are whispers of a new 'Sports' package being developed using the Nuovo Hi-Cam but it'll be a few years off and as I said, so far only rumours.....

Pete

What makes a "sports" bike though for general road use and paying some respect to the legal limits? A hyper sports a guzzi will never be while sticking to the current format, but how may hyper sports owners use a poofteenth of what is specified. The track is a different matter, where the talented and brave challenge the boundaries of the best technology can offer, but I have lost count of the number of hypersport jockeys I have rounded up in the hills while on bikes deemed down on power and over weight but well balanced and well mannered.

[Bill in OKC]

It is the missing piece in my V-twin collection. I should have kept the 1100 Sport but maybe I'll run into a good deal on a Daytona some day.

[FORZA]

Trev, did exactly the same a couple of weeks ago on the Putty Rd. with my shitty old GS850 Suzuki, its good fun using them as sport.

Love 1100 Sports, bought an 1100ie new. Took heaps of patience to get sorted but once I did it was the best bike I have ever had for long fast-ish trips. I got of a bevel SS so anything was comfy after that thing.

Dave Ward
Moto Italia
Aprilia-Ducati-Moto Guzzi

www.motoitalia.com.au

0432 441 985

[JAndrewG]

My brother has a '95 1100 Sport he just got this year. I love the look of the thing but have only put a few miles on it, so don't have a good feel for handling and power.

The 1100ie would be '97 and up, first of the injected bikes, yes?

Back to the MGS-01, it is very cool but as Pete said it's probably tuned to within an inch of being a grenade, and uses none of the new design stuff. Notice the forks and even upper triple clamp are stock RSVR pieces? I read somewhere it makes around 120 rwhp, coincidentally about what a standard RSVR does...

It would be great to see the new 8v 1200 engine in such a platform, even retaining the CARC shaft setup, with a more sport tour oriented riding position. In other words I suppose, an updated Lemans. Offer it in a full boogie Ohlins upgraded suspension version, ala Nero or Rossa Corsa... and I'm in!

[OZSLR]

Hey Dave, hows tricks :). Hope business is good!

Ah the Putty Rd, was my Saturday morning blast for a number of years for a bacon and egg sandwich and a really shitty coffee at the half way house.

On the MGS01, as I may have posted elsewhere, sometimes it's the thought of owning something deemed exotic that has people all misty eyed and longing and not so much the the potential challenges of ownership. I saw a guy running one in BEARS at Broadford earlier this year. He had it because it was not what everyone else had and the amount of attention it drew was amazing.

[pete roper]

I fully agree that you don't need 'Hypersports' (whatever that actually is??) power to either have fun or round up numpties. The problem though is convincing said numpties to buy anything that doesn't have the aforementioned 'Hypersports' power.

There has to be a degree or reality injected into the argument and accepted by those who only read magazines and have sweet FA knowledge of how stuff actually works. Despite its "modern' features the Nuovo Hi-Cam remains an oil/air cooled machine with side draught heads with all the weight and limitations that simply HAVE to go with such a design. Does that mean its bad? Far from it! I love my Griso and had no problems holding my own on Clyde Mountain on my 1100 'Pushrod' 2 valver so the 4V 1200 just makes it easier despite my ever increasing age and girth!!! Good Lord. seven years ago I rounded up a pack of tools on R6's and the like on my horrible old 45HP Convert for fucks sakes! I nearly crashed I was laughing so hard! I ride like Gumby's grand-dad so it really sez how embarassingly awful they were!!!

No, while I'd love them to build an MGS-02 it has to be sensibly thought out and targeted. I'd not buy one for the simple reason my old carcass simply can't take the 'Dog shagging a hockeyball' riding position of sportsbikes any more. Lots of other 'Older' Guzzisti are probably in the same boat. Which means they have to pitch it at a *new* market segment. One already packed with options. It'll be a hard ask.

Pete

[OZSLR]

Which means they have to pitch it at a *new* market segment. One already packed with options. It'll be a hard ask.
Pete

Ain't that the truth!

The ingredients are there for success. Harley and Triumph have proven you don't need to rely on a spec sheet to sell bikes. MG just have to find the balance between the product offering and a realistic price. The hardest part seems to be getting bums on seats. Put a bloke on a Guzzi for a day and point him to the hills and by the end of it they get it. What does not help is the continued comment by brainless twats in the media like the "new gearbox is smooth and I didn't get any false neutrals" or "the build quality is really good now". Harleys and Triumphs were shit for decades and you don't see the same references perpetuated. Ducati had it's issues also. Why is it that MG is such a soft target?

[mirkvid]

There's an MGS01 at Red Rock Harley here in Vegas. They have it all the way in the back of the showroom behind a bunch of signage... Great looking bike though.

[Bill in OKC]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MOTO-GUZZI-MGS-01-Replica-V11-Sport-base-/280749689035?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item415dfc48cb

Close... it looks like it has motocross forks or something, but real close. Lower the bodywork somehow, put some trick bits on it... It is nice but just something is a little off.

Are they selling that bike at Red Rock? Its not on their site. I used to live very near there about 17 years ago.

[jrflanne]

I fully agree that you don't need 'Hypersports' (whatever that actually is??) power to either have fun or round up numpties. The problem though is convincing said numpties to buy anything that doesn't have the aforementioned 'Hypersports' power.

Pete

I've commented somewhere about riding AF1's Griso (old school Griso) and that everything I KNEW about Guzzi's was just wrong. Never rode one before so everything I knew was from the rags. Well, there you go. I don't need 150hp to have a great time and a RSV4 would eventually kill me. I am not nearly enough rider for one of those things. I don't know what Moto Guzzi's annual numbers are, but I bet they are increasing.

[pete roper]

Guzzis sales numbers are very small. I can't remember what exactly they are but less than 10,000 units a year.

Thing is though they ARE increasing and Guzzi was one of the only 'Established' brands to increase both propduction and market share last year! The fact that a business run by people as shrewd as AF-1 have decided to take Guzzi on probably speaks volumes about the product and it's quality now.

Is everything perfect? No, of course not. But it's light years ahead of where it was a decade ago and they are now building some truly world class motobikes!

Pete

[SoulDaddy]

I got a fever, and the only prescription is ... more Griso!

[SF2DieHard]

:plus::plus:
:banana::banana:
You Da MAN SoulDaddy!

DungeonMaster

[RossGuzzi]

172340

172341

172342

Oh, why did I sell them !!!

[JAndrewG]

Eww cool RossGuzzi!

Lessee... a Moto Morini 3 1/2, an 850T I think?, and a late '90's 1100 Sport, the latter being '97 or newer with the inverted forks. That would make it a fuel injected model too I believe.

I've got to go out to my brother's and put some miles on his '95 1100 Sport. They are such pretty bikes.

[RossGuzzi]

Nearly right. 3 1/2 Sport, 850 Le Mans mk 1, Daytona RS 1000. The RS had the 4 valve heads, injected. Same motor is in the V10 Centauro but slightly difrent final drive ratio, and cams to increase mid range.

[mirkvid]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MOTO-GUZZI-MGS-01-Replica-V11-Sport-base-/280749689035?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item415dfc48cb

Close... it looks like it has motocross forks or something, but real close. Lower the bodywork somehow, put some trick bits on it... It is nice but just something is a little off.

Are they selling that bike at Red Rock? Its not on their site. I used to live very near there about 17 years ago.

Not selling it. that place is half museum half dealership. If you're ever in Vegas check it out. Tons of really cool bikes.

[JAndrewG]

Nearly right. 3 1/2 Sport, 850 Le Mans mk 1, Daytona RS 1000. The RS had the 4 valve heads, injected. Same motor is in the V10 Centauro but slightly difrent final drive ratio, and cams to increase mid range.

Aww sure, I didn't see the obvious 4 valve head on the Daytona. In my defense, they share bodywork with the 1100 Sport, and I was on my little netbook at home... :o

Neat bunch for sure. These are current, they still all live at your house?

[RossGuzzi]

Nope. All gone. Just Falco, KTM EXC450 and Ducati Cucciolo left.

I would seriously consider a MGS01 road going tho.

[SF2DieHard]

OK Ross. I saved the picture of the three bikes together to my "cool bikes" folder.

DM