Who in the USA will buy one

[Ed / AF1 Racing]

ASSUMING a very late 09, early 10 delivery...

Factory priced at $20-22K, specs like Euro bikes
Base model $16-18K, specs unknown

Who in the USA will actually buy one? I know everyone wants it, but who will actually step up to the plate? Will the wives let you spend the $$$$$?

[duc slayer]

IF i can save up about 10-12k I will be purchasing, but realistically summer/fall of '10 for me

I do realize that doesn't help you much

[budoist]

The household was... er, affected by the economy? I will say that if everything works out ok, I'll be in the market for at least a base one in winter '10. I'm confident I can squeeze that by. The Factory is a harder pitch. If it's a matter of having one in stock, I'd be happy at that time to put in the order with you, though, and wait for it to come in.

[Sdave2002]

Only if I can get someone to sell me one with no plastics and other useless crap that I wont need for the track...

[Waxerdog]

Been holding onto my disposable income for 18 months now since they announced the damn thing and I sold my 04 RSVR. If they don't hurry up I'm going to walk into a Yamaha dealer and get a 09 R1! :happy:

[Rca119]

I will eventually buy a RSV4, probably not until model year 10 or 11. Give them time to work the bugs out.

[RC51]

My 1st posting..

I was hot to buy one but starting to cool, why not go all the way..

Whats shooting me down is dealers here in So.Cal.. Or more like. lack of dealers.. So far the three nearest dealers to me are.... Well.. Scooter dealers.. Doesn't lend too much confidence in dealer support or knowledge as well as upgrades.

Any Suggestions for "Real" dealerships in So.Cal??

Thanks.

RC

[shakazulu12]

ME!!!!!

This is assuming no major economic changes in my life, though this economy actually benefits my income so I don't foresee a problem.

[badrags]

I'm all in! Man, I was gonna wait for summer of '10, but after seeing those Silverstone photos..... As soon as that thing hits the states, I will be 20k+ in debt.

[Ruff]

RC51 - we have GP Motorcycles down here in San Diego.

[Diablo1]

My 1st posting..

I was hot to buy one but starting to cool, why not go all the way..

Whats shooting me down is dealers here in So.Cal.. Or more like. lack of dealers.. So far the three nearest dealers to me are.... Well.. Scooter dealers.. Doesn't lend too much confidence in dealer support or knowledge as well as upgrades.

Any Suggestions for "Real" dealerships in So.Cal??

Thanks.

RC

Seems I just read that there is an Aprilia dealership in Long Beach who has a kick-ass mechanic...Amauri.

[mitsu]

I'm ready to put a deposit today for the factory.

[RC51]

Thanks for the dealership info... Anything closer to Ventura-Valencia area's??

RC

[Waxerdog]

Thanks for the dealership info... Anything closer to Ventura-Valencia area's??

RC

Amauri is working at the new dealer in Long Beach so that has to say something for them. And from what others have said you might want to check out 1000 Oaks. I haven't been there yet but others have said they aren't bad.

[RC51]

Amauri is working at the new dealer in Long Beach so that has to say something for them. And from what others have said you might want to check out 1000 Oaks. I haven't been there yet but others have said they aren't bad.


Thanks Waxer..

RC

[J.Bauer]

A Base Tuono version sounds interesting to me. Maybe late in the model year in like 2011 or something, when deals proportionate to what can be found on current '08 Tuono's and RSVR's might be available.

But - and I'll probably get flamed for this comparison- if Honda comes through on the rumored 1000cc V4 bike next year, I will at least check that out, too.

Thing is, my dear wife would probably let me put down an RSV4 deposit now. But, nice as that is, I'm skeptical about being able to handle the aggressive riding position, and... oh, yeah...it's still a lot of money.

[mrgrn]

i def want one

[RSVRFACTORY]

i have a check in hand right now!! RSV4 FACTORY

[benya]

Ed, are you guessing on the price, or do you have some info from Aprilia?

[Ed / AF1 Racing]

Ed, are you guessing on the price, or do you have some info from Aprilia?

educated guessing......nothing official on price yet, but I'd bet $20 I'm very close....I'm told the official USA price wont be set until the USA batch goes into production (still a few months away)

[ChicagoFactory]

After coming from an 04 Factory to the 07 Tuono, I don't think I will ever go back to a "race replica" bike again. The Tuono is sooooo much more comfortable. I will wait and buy the Tuono version a year or two after it comes out.

[Kid A]

NO, I'll be keeping my hopes on a revamped V twin sportbike. Till then if I bought another Aprilia it would be the SXV.

[SandVick]

After coming from an 04 Factory to the 07 Tuono, I don't think I will ever go back to a "race replica" bike again. The Tuono is sooooo much more comfortable. I will wait and buy the Tuono version a year or two after it comes out.

Second that. I will keep the RSV4 (and probably the RSVR T) until the Tuono comes out, then I will swap. The mighty T is a much better bike for my use, and I expect the V4 T to be absolutely awesome!

[RC51]

But - and I'll probably get flamed for this comparison- if Honda comes through on the rumored 1000cc V4 bike next year, I will at least check that out, too..


Woa! Wait a minute.. Is this a newest rumor?? Honda wishfull thinking has been going on for quite some time.. Do you have any leads to support this rumor? :worship:

RC

[Diablo1]

Woa! Wait a minute.. Is this a newest rumor?? Honda wishfull thinking has been going on for quite some time.. Do you have any leads to support this rumor? :worship:

RC

Just wishful thinking from the Honda fans. They'll get their sporting V4 about the same time the Cubs win the World Series.

[sidewaysammy]

educated guessing......nothing official on price yet, but I'd bet $20 I'm very close....I'm told the official USA price wont be set until the USA batch goes into production (still a few months away)

What is the word on the TUONO-V4 ????


:worship::worship:

[Big Red Machine]

ASSUMING a very late 09, early 10 delivery...

Factory priced at $20-22K, specs like Euro bikes
Base model $16-18K, specs unknown

Who in the USA will actually buy one? I know everyone wants it, but who will actually step up to the plate? Will the wives let you spend the $$$$$?

No wife to tell me no:bangwall:, a girlfriend who currantly has more bikes than me:confused:, SAVE SAVE SAVE!!!! Come to Butthead!:cheers::cheers:
BRM

[Jupiter]

My next bike will be an RSV4 Factory...or a Guzzi Griso 8V. I know, I know, two completely different flavors. :)


Very happy right now with the Tuono and the vintage Mille R, so I can wait. It's going to take awhile for the RSV4 to surface out here on the west coast, and I'd expect a little while for all the bugs to get worked out.


But the RSV4 is a stonkin' bike! I'm definitely interested.

[SandVick]

It will be interesting to see if there will be any bugs. Aprilia has a good track record when it comes to creating pretty much bug free bikes from launch.

I am a bit worried about the switch back to Magneti Marelli for the electronics though. I realize they are one of the worlds leading suppliers of automotive electronics, but their reputation is still a bit of a joke, kindo like Lucas (Prince of darkness).
I felt better about the German VDO Siemens system on the RSVR generation.

Probably no need to worry, Marelli supplies systems for Formula One, WRC and MotoGP these days.

[inyang]

Looking at getting the RSV4 to use as a sports tourer, with the 17l tank, it should do above 200km per tank. I have managed 180km on my 1098 with a litre left in the tank.

I need something that can do above 200km per tank, and is reasonably fast and comfy and the RSV4 fits the bill, UJM are out for me and am still having issues with a K1200S so that's out also.

I don't live in the states but have been buying my bikes here and shipping them out, still works out cheaper than buying at home or Europe but we have a local Piaggo dealer who says they will soon carry Aprilia so that may change.

[J.Bauer]

Woa! Wait a minute.. Is this a newest rumor?? Honda wishfull thinking has been going on for quite some time.. Do you have any leads to support this rumor? :worship:

RC

I don't have anything to support that. There have a bunch of speculative posts and articles about it - but nothing concrete. The VFR forum seems mostly skeptical. The conversations seem to mostly revolve around that concept V4 "bike" Honda came out with last year that had no hubs, and was clearly just an artist's work-up... but Honda's comments shortly after releasing that were pretty non-comittal.
I'm hoping they do, because having more choices is good for the consumer. But we'll just have to see.

[J.Bauer]

.... but, to me, a V4 Tuono sounds more appealing than just a new generation Interceptor, if that's all it turns out to be. I'm not knocking the Interceptor, I just like naked bikes more.

[RC51]

I don't have anything to support that. There have a bunch of speculative posts and articles about it - but nothing concrete. The VFR forum seems mostly skeptical. The conversations seem to mostly revolve around that concept V4 "bike" Honda came out with last year that had no hubs, and was clearly just an artist's work-up... but Honda's comments shortly after releasing that were pretty non-comittal.
I'm hoping they do, because having more choices is good for the consumer. But we'll just have to see.

Well since my last posting, did some question asking on my old RC51 forum. They came up with published answers that Honda "will" come out with a new V-4 but feelings are it will be a re-vamped VFR.. One article did say CBRR 1000-V4 indicating it will be a sport bike.. Seems both the Honda and Aprilia will hit these shores not too far apart, as you mentioned... Choices..

RC

[rx7tt95]

Yes, it's a VFR replacement, all-around sporty-bike. No I didn't stutter.

Honda V4 info:
http://www.visordown.com/motorcyclenews/view/could_this_be_the_2010_honda_vfr/6895.html

[RC51]

Yes, it's a VFR replacement, all-around sporty-bike. No I didn't stutter.

Honda V4 info:
http://www.visordown.com/motorcyclenews/view/could_this_be_the_2010_honda_vfr/6895.html

Thanks RX.

That is certainly the most realistic concept so far..

RC

[rx7tt95]

No problem RC!

[Diablo1]

Reality check. I wouldn't believe ANY sketches or photos released by the press prior to the manufacturer's official release of a model. Just go back and review all the Aprilia V4 sketches put out by the press that have zero resemblance to the RSV4. If it's photoshop, don't believe it. If it's not a photograph.......don't believe it.

[rx7tt95]

I don't believe anyone thought that was the actual bike, just a verification that it'll be more VFR sport touring than CBR sport.

[jrflanne]

Don't want a sport bike and I don't think I would trade my Tuono for the v4 version. I would, however, consider a ST version of the v4. I don't know know if Aprilia would or even should build a ST. Perhaps a 1200 cc twin ST would be a better choice.

[olie]

Don't want a sport bike and I don't think I would trade my Tuono for the v4 version. I would, however, consider a ST version of the v4. .....

:plus:, the V4 1200cc version has been mentioned by Aprilia managers as a future powerplant for a touring bike. No details if it a Capo or a Futura replacement. My guess it will be a Futura version with this engine to match the BMW K1300S.

Meanwhile the V2 1200 for the Shiver/Dorsoduro seems to be ready. My guess it will be a Capo version with this engine. Checking the sales numbers of the Guzzi Stelvio, for sure they are not what Piaggio needs or expects.

[hank]

If they make a 600cc version of the RSV4, I would go for it....:lover:

[RC51]

I don't believe anyone thought that was the actual bike, just a verification that it'll be more VFR sport touring than CBR sport.

:plus:

RC

[mad modder]

i will for sure buy one, but most likely summer 2010. but it will be mine, lol

[fast4d]

I will eventually buy a RSV4, probably not until model year 10 or 11. Give them time to work the bugs out.

same here. definitely not the first year.

[fast4d]

T.O. Aprilla has a capable mechanic. he did my swing arm and etc. on time and no issues.

[gsaltus]

Will this model be avalible in the US

108757

If so, how much deposit I need to reserve one?

[shakazulu12]

Yes, it will be available in the US in two weeks. No deposit required, though your last name has to be Biaggi or Nakano.

[RC51]

T.O. Aprilla has a capable mechanic. he did my swing arm and etc. on time and no issues.


fast... Just noticed your from Ventura?? I haven't seen too many Apes around, where do you usualy ride?? I'm a Hwy33 junkie myself, perhaps we have seen one another??

Me:.. Big guy on a 08 Black 1098S.... You??

RC

[rsv4mark]

I put my deposit on one in November 2007, #1 on the wait list at Scuderia West in SF, CA. Can't wait!

[SuperhawkLGT]

Do you get the interest on that on that deposit?

[rsv4mark]

Nah, but it was only $100 so no big deal - at today's interest rates I might be missing out on $2.50 LOL

Do you get the interest on that on that deposit?

[pilotw98]

I'll keep my 2007 Tuono until I see and ride the V4 Tuono's. If I love the V4 more than the VTwin then I'll upgrade. After trying the Tuono, I have no plans to go back to a pure sportbike. The Tuono is everything I want in one amazing package.

[Unreal]

I would love one but it would be about 2 years out.

[benya]

If what I'm reading in the Miller SBK thread is accurate, then 22k is the price for the Factory. At that price, business will have to be VERY good this year for me to justify that purchase!

Wish me luck!!!

[VFR4Lee]

I want a V4 Tuono. :)

For a new price of $20 large, I'll probably be drooling over it for about 4 - 5 years. Kind of like I did until I snapped up a bargain on my '03 T last fall. :burnout:

[Mille Racer 69]

factory for me!
I already put down my deposit

[cem385]

too rich for my blood not really...can I afford it yes...do I want to afford it...no

Both me and my wife ride and realistically I can get 2 new bikes for 22k

I bought my 08 RSV for around 12 and my wife can get a nice bike for 8-10.

Real world...I could swing a nice couple year old used RSV4 base model or I would take another look at the Duc's.

[Gman2005]

the frame there isn't the final frame is it? was Aprilia hiding the frame from the Honda and use etc?

[FORREALQUICK]

If they start winning and get their price right I may be interested.

[Dissident]

I heard $26,375 for the factory from my friend who was at Miller. Ouch...

[yamatr3]

I heard $26,375 for the factory from my friend who was at Miller. Ouch...
If thats true, I won't be getting one. I was hoping for $22k

[SandVick]

I heard $26,375 for the factory from my friend who was at Miller. Ouch...

Other people reported that the price was disclosed at Miller, $22K.
Hard to tell, direct conversion from european price at €16.800 would be $23,5K

[v4fac]

Hi Guys

For your information they 15000 UK pounds and I think 19800 Euros

Based on the UK price it = $24000

Just remember that different countrys have different Customs duties and taxes. Best clarify in US as the exchange rates are misleading.

rgds

[mad modder]

i'm just goin to wait till they hit showrooms as i've heard so many diferent prices its not even funny.

[rx7tt95]

Unless the USD keeps tanking against the Euro, it'll be below the 1198S. If it does keep tanking, it'll be above the 1198S until next year when Ducati is forced to adjust it's prices. Remember how "inexpensive" the 1098 was when it first came out? What was it, $14,995?

[ckruzel]

i'd like to try to sell my factory for around 8 and put a few grand down and finance the rest, i'd like to keep my payment as low as possible if i can, but i'm definately getting a factory

[ckruzel]

ASSUMING a very late 09, early 10 delivery...

Factory priced at $20-22K, specs like Euro bikes
Base model $16-18K, specs unknown

Who in the USA will actually buy one? I know everyone wants it, but who will actually step up to the plate? Will the wives let you spend the $$$$$?

i was trying to program my second key and when i did i screwed up and unprogrammed my original so as i was fiddling around with it, wife said just get rid of that and get that v4 you keep talking about, so i got the wifes blessing

we both work really hard, and barely spend anyting on ourselves so this will be my toy, she's getting a new kitchen and bathroom soon anyway

[duc slayer]

didn't ed say 20-22k ????

beat me to it :cheers:

[SandVick]

Hi Guys

For your information they 15000 UK pounds and I think 19800 Euros

Based on the UK price it = $24000

Just remember that different countrys have different Customs duties and taxes. Best clarify in US as the exchange rates are misleading.

rgds

Remember to compare apples with apples. When you say £15K og €19,8K, that includes local sales tax/VAT, since that is how it is done in Europe. We always quote the price including tax, while americans generally don't.

Sales tax is also much higher in Europe than in the US. Germay has 19%, UK 17,5% (reduced to 15% for 2009 as part of the crisis thing), Nordics typically 25%.

The net price without taxes for a RSV4 in Europe is just over $20K. I am buying mine tax free abroad, importing it to Norway. I pay at current exchange rate exactly $20.200,- for the bike, before my goverment wants another $20K in taxes... :mad:

[smaypilot]

Lost my job. Economy is shit. Can't find another one. Even if I did get another job making the good salary I was before, with economy being so unstable I doubt I would take the risk. But everyone has a different comfort zone on a price point. For me over 10k on bike is about my ceiling. I could afford a more expensive bike....just not something I would buy at that price (I have to many hobbies, flying airplanes, Mtn. Bikes, cycling, skiing, guitar...) So like usual it will probably be a used RSV4 or whatever for me. Not that I was expecting the bike to be 10k.....but just like you said "sure I would like to buy a new one"...but would I? Probably not.

[smaypilot]

Yes, it's a VFR replacement, all-around sporty-bike. No I didn't stutter.

Honda V4 info:
http://www.visordown.com/motorcyclenews/view/could_this_be_the_2010_honda_vfr/6895.html

If the Honda sticks with the VTEC and linked brakes forget about it. RSV4 all the way.

[Norrin Radd]

If the Honda sticks with the VTEC and linked brakes forget about it. RSV4 all the way.

Is that really a consideration - should I get the new Honda or the new Aprilia?

Not trying to be rude, just doesn't seem like they are on the same shopping list. Kinda like looking for a new car, do I get the S2000 or the Murcielago?

:burnout:

[SuperhawkLGT]

Not true, I too would consider a new VFR if it was 1000cc V4/5 and looked right. But not instead of an RSV4, I have a Tuono.

[smaypilot]

Is that really a consideration - should I get the new Honda or the new Aprilia?

Not trying to be rude, just doesn't seem like they are on the same shopping list. Kinda like looking for a new car, do I get the S2000 or the Murcielago?

:burnout:

You have somewhat of a point. I was just thinking more with regards to an alternative V4 powered bike. I had the VFR and the V4 config is great for a mc engine. Depending on what Honda does to the next gen VFR or perhaps an all new V4 sport bike I think it's possible to put it on the same list. Just because it's Japanese does not mean it can't compete with an Italian bike. Japanese bikes have there selling points and so do Italian bikes. It's like saying you can't compare the R1 to 1098 or to an RSVR. Many can argue either way. But if you mean comparing to the current VFR your are correct it's absolutely not on the same shopping list, but who knows what the next gen Honda V4 will be.

[Modifyd4]

I would love a new bike but I like to do track days and bum around town, and for 20K I can get a dedicated track bike and a year or track days + a street bike. Wish I had that kind of money, but... the economy sucks right now.

[multimoto]

I will by the Tuono version...

[Gman2005]

Each to there own I say :)

[T286]

Ed
How many are coming to the states and how are they allocated ?
How many are you ordering ?

[SuperhawkLGT]

Gman what bike is your avi?

[akrsv]

I'd like to get one! But limited budget - sucks big. Still guessing on the price Ed?

[akrsv]

And also no dealer up here in AK! Sucks even more. I might have to consider to move to Seattle or somewhere around there...

[ckevg]

If the prices stay put, hopefully summer 2010. Either way I am going to hate seeing the RC51 go!

[BBQ Chef]

I will wait for the naked Tuono version.

[SPEKTRE76]

I voted for base model but I want the Tuono version. In pearl white/red/black with the blue wheels.

[Rich22]

Have to get building a nice pipe for it then:bump:

[muffler]

My 1st posting..
.....
Well.. Scooter dealers.. Doesn't lend too much confidence in dealer support or knowledge as well as upgrades.

Any Suggestions for "Real" dealerships in So.Cal??
Thanks.
RC

Here in Russia we have no dealers at all. No support, no spare parts available. Even in Moscow (capital of Russia so far) "Italmoto" dealer sells only new bikes at a cost +35-45% to the US dealers price. They advised to cut the gasket myself or to wait month and a half. Now i'm waiting for parts ordered at the 1st of July from Af1. Thank God they ship to Russia. And still we have desmosedici owned by several guys, new RSVR and RSV factory, plenty of Ducati 1098S, monsters and other expensive bikes.

I think you can go to another state or city to have you bike serviced. When i'm at Saint-Petersburg i go to Helsinki/Finland to do high level works like ECU programming, engine service etc. And it is some kind of fan and nice travel to visit another city and service your bike.

RSV4 factory will cost about 30-33K here taken from Europe.

[mad modder]

oh that sucks

i don't know good they are but there is oceanside aprilia

[rsvr-cf]

Bought one 4 weeks ago, production number 88, and had to pay Nkr. 309.000,- (1 US$ = 6,16 Nkr.) DO the math:pissed:

[StefanJ]

I think I'll have to wait. I just bought the Factory in 07 and only have 6k on it. I plan to keep it and eventualy buy another bike but that will take some time and probably another deployment so I can pay cash again.

[SuperhawkLGT]

I think thats 50k ???

[Beau1K]

I guess he wanted it really bad :eek:

[Chris_Mag]

I put a deposit down at Motocorsa for the "R" today.

[Diablo1]

Bought one 4 weeks ago, production number 88, and had to pay Nkr. 309.000,- (1 US$ = 6,16 Nkr.) DO the math:pissed:

$50,162.............:worship:

[shakazulu12]

I put a deposit down at Motocorsa for the "R" today.

Where you on Skyline and Thompson today around 7:15 or so with a passenger?

Not many blue Tuonos around.

[SandVick]

Bought one 4 weeks ago, production number 88, and had to pay Nkr. 309.000,- (1 US$ = 6,16 Nkr.) DO the math:pissed:

Why did you have to pay that much? List price is supposed to be NOK 285K.

[rsvr-cf]

That price is for the RSV4R. The factory is Nkr. 309.900,-

[SandVick]

That price is for the RSV4R. The factory is Nkr. 309.900,-

The RSV4R doesn't exist, only the Factory.

I am damn sure mine is a Factory, and that it has been in my garage with Norwegian number plates since the middle of June. It was the first one registered here. And I know for sure I didn't pay that kind of money for it! :)

If you paid 310K, there is something strange. Did you get a bunch of extras? Can you post a picture of that bike?

The official list price is 284.990,- (about $46K, bad enough!), check here:
http://www.aprilia-mc.no/index.php?id=14092

Yes, the list from the distributor says "RSV 4 R", not "Factory", that is correct. That is an error from their side I guess, the price list is from January this year. They for sure did not have the price of the upcoming RSV4R at that time, as they probably won't have it until launch of the bike later this year. It absolutely is the Factory they are referring to, just check another dealer.

This ad from an authorized dealer says 309K:
http://www.motorport.no/?p=1646
It also says "Aprilia RSV4 Factory Superbike". Another version ("Superbike"?), are they confused, or did they rise the price all of a sudden?

By all means, if I got a 310K bike for what I paid, I'm not complaining! (I got a fair bit under the 285K list)

Here's mine:
http://rsv4.kjella.net/

Removed passenger pegs and installed "Tail Tidy" to clean up the rear after pics were taken. More cool bits and pieces coming this week!

[fnfalman]

Make mine Tuono, and probably will go with the Factory.

[rsvr-cf]

This is interesting. I bought the bike from Motorport in Oslo. I asked about the price because the official pricelist,as you say, is Nkr. 285.000,-.
They called LOXKEL and got the answer that Nkr. 285.000,- was for the R-version that is coming later. This was a superbike version produced in only 1000 eks. and that it was the only version that was on the marked. You can call me if you want (91335679)

[SandVick]

I have read a couple of places that the Factory is a limited run model, but find it hard to believe. Will it really be made in a limited run of just 1000?

Sounds weird, they never did anything like that before (except the exotic Mille R SP, but that was a third version on top of the Factory/R). It would mean that there will be only one model going forward, the base and upcoming RSV4 R. There has always been two versions, the base and the R/Factory.

What's the feeling guys, could the current Factory be a limited production model?

[jwcs929rr]

Ive been so set on the duc 1198 but it jus doesnt do it for me...Im recently been reading about the rsv4 and I am so undecided.I love 4 cyl u need em for the topend.but i dunno what to do I also love the v twin but the duc feels slow to me..Im jus afraid Im to big for the aprilia.Im 6 2 220 poiunds.

[Chris_Mag]

Where you on Skyline and Thompson today around 7:15 or so with a passenger?

Not many blue Tuonos around.

Yeah that was me.

[Echo3Niner]

Im jus afraid Im to big for the aprilia.Im 6 2 220 poiunds.

My concern too, I'm only 5'9", but I'm 275 and worried I'm too fat for one!

However, I've seen a couple pictures with some older guys on them, who weren't very thin, so I'm less worried now...

[Beau1K]

Weight is never an issue...you can get a spring for your weight.

[Echo3Niner]

Weight is never an issue...you can get a spring for your weight.

See, that's what I keep telling my wife!

[akrsv]

See, that's what I keep telling my wife!

Man that is some funny stuff hahaha....LMAO:funnypost:funnypost
KEEP IT COMING....CHEERS

[TUONO5280]

I hear the new one is smaller than the previous RSV/Tuono? I would definately consider a Tuono V4 - IF its similar sized to what it is now. If not I would just like the V4 in my Tuono. I really just want the power.

[FowlPlay]

im in for a base model at least(RSV4 or a T), id need to ride one first just to see how is fits.

[akrsv]

Why would you spend that much money just to see if it "fits"? You can probably test ride one in your area. Is much cheaper - unless you crash :-((

[FowlPlay]

well i would ride one if there were one around here. as far as i know most of the RSV4's on the west coast went to beverly hills and hollywood area. im sure there will be some down here but they will prob. already be sold.