Do Not Buy A 1098!

[Smoke Eater]

Removed to protect the idiot elite

[ZAWA]

How dare you bad mouth the Ducati 1098, we all know this is the greatest motorcycle God put on the planet earth.:rolleyes:

[Smoke Eater]

In my opinion, it's is the prettiest but Ducati over reached on this one. Just don't ride it. Leave it on the stand and look at it all you want but DO NOT ride it.

It would be different if mine was the only one with the problem.

[ZAWA]

Whats even worse some dealers have never heard of any problems with the bike.:WTF:

[JJ_008]

I had one of the first 1098's and mine had the stalling issue. I took mine into the dealer and they ended up sending the ECU to DNA for a reflash. They reflashed it and the problem went 99% away.

[jandrade]

eh to me it looks like a 675 and 600rr love child...the 999 was a timeless design...i've talked to many a ducati techs who tell of the compromises ducati made on the 1098 to give you that kind of performance at that kind of price versus the 999. I’m not impressed, id rather have an RSV and i'm a Ducati owner!

[Crazy Horse]

Whats even worse some dealers have never heard of any problems with the bike.:WTF:

Kind of like some Aprilia dealers on a recall notice?

[martinking]

So I won a 1098 in a raffle. I picked it up after an 8 hour roundtrip to the dealership.

sorry i just cant believe you won it! how stuffy is that! :P

:cheers:

[john flores]

sorry i just cant believe you won it! how stuffy is that! :P

:cheers:

Shouldn't the Title have read "Do Not Win a 1098 in a Raffle!" :kidding:

[sidewaysammy]

and the problem went 99% away.

?????

99%?

Why not 100%???

:WTF:

[Crazy Horse]

As I said on your other thread about the 1098 I would be more than happy to trade you my well sorted 2004 RSVR

[benya]

I'll start the bidding at $100

[Crazy Horse]

I'll start the bidding at $100


I think I have already outbid you with my offer to trade :burnout:

[benya]

I think I have already outbid you with my offer to trade :burnout:

Nah, cash is king.

I raise my bid to $200

[dragan]

no need to start with the huge bid jumps already ... afterall it is a Ducati :kidding:

[benya]

The bidding could go on and on. When does the auction end? I'll snipe the bid at the last second!

[ZAWA]

The bids can only go up, as we all know Ducati's are collector items.

[SlowApe]

I'll start the bidding at $100

Are you guys bidding on the price Smoke Eater would have to pay you to take delivery of his POS? :happy:

[Dug206]

Are you guys bidding on the price Smoke Eater would have to pay you to take delivery of his POS? :happy:


I'll do it and only charge him $200 to cover the cost of gas. I'll be in Maine next month anyway.

[Havok]

Lesson learned, try to avoid buying the first model year of any bike. The only reason I have an 04 RSV is because it was a good deal.

[Crazy Horse]

What has been changed/fixed since the 04 besides the swingarm?

[joecop30]

I was close to making my decision to purchase the DUC in the spring....until Steve at AF1 Racing took me under his wing and showed me the light......:worship:

[5hundo]

I'll snipe the bid at the last second!

I hate sniper bidders... :mad:

[novos]

You mean you like to bid early and drive up the price, to pay more than you have to: :happy:

MORAN! :kidding:

I usually bid at the last 3 seconds :)

[JJ_008]

?????

99%?

Why not 100%???

:WTF:

Because it stall once after the reflash :). Before the reflash it was stalling 1-2 times per ride.

[Norrin Radd]

...the 999 was a timeless design...

Don't you mean the 916/996/998?

I thought the 999 was generally considered a design flop with most preferring the older design (despite the improved performance) and I thought that was why the 1098 more closely resembles the 916 series?

[Havok]

What has been changed/fixed since the 04 besides the swingarm?

Clutch MC for one

[Crazy Horse]

You sure? http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125018

[20Hz]

so smoke eater: sorry you've had trouble with your 1098 but don't you think it's a little stupid to try to tell everyone not to buy one based on your experience. You talk about how the stalling issue is well covered in the 1098 forums, did you also notice on those forums that there are many people who have had it fixed with no recurrance, and many many more who have never had any stalling problems?

I have at least 2 friends who had Factorys that would die on them and in one case it took the local dealer like 4 months and umpteen tries to fix it. Did that make the Factory a piece of shit? No. I loved my aprilia but I swear some of the folks on this forum look like total dipshits with the constant 1098 hating. Again sorry you had trouble, but to call the bike a hunk of shit because it stalled on you is just weak.

[5hundo]

I usually bid at the last 3 seconds :)

That's the only way you can win anything on e-bay these days...

[Infallible]

so smoke eater: sorry you've had trouble with your 1098 but don't you think it's a little stupid to try to tell everyone not to buy one based on your experience. You talk about how the stalling issue is well covered in the 1098 forums, did you also notice on those forums that there are many people who have had it fixed with no recurrance, and many many more who have never had any stalling problems?

I have at least 2 friends who had Factorys that would die on them and in one case it took the local dealer like 4 months and umpteen tries to fix it. Did that make the Factory a piece of shit? No. I loved my aprilia but I swear some of the folks on this forum look like total dipshits with the constant 1098 hating. Again sorry you had trouble, but to call the bike a hunk of shit because it stalled on you is just weak.

Maybe thats the way he feels about it? Obviously you don't share his opinion, but calling people weak because he doesn't......well thats just weak.

[Havok]

You sure? http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125018
Well the clutch MC was improved in late 04

There's even an exact date posted, in Nov of 04 I believe, when the part was updated.

If you're saying later models still have a problem, that might be true, but they did make an attempt to fix it in late 04.

From the threads I've read on here, I doubt the average 06 or 07 needs to be bled as frequently as the average 04.

[ckruzel]

I had one of the first 1098's and mine had the stalling issue. I took mine into the dealer and they ended up sending the ECU to DNA for a reflash. They reflashed it and the problem went 99% away.

they don't have the ability to reflash at the dealer level? big thumbs up on that one :rolleyes:

[ckruzel]

if you want to see some real quality, take the body work off of it and reinstall it, you would swear godfather racing made it

[DeBenGuzzi]

I was close to making my decision to purchase the DUC in the spring....until Steve at AF1 Racing took me under his wing and showed me the light......:worship:

SAME here exactly, but it was Ed not steve, also after looking about the Ducati board, talking to mechanics, dealers, and riders I decided that the 1098 sure is pretty but a headache, I was also considering a BMW hp2(I used to have a 78 suzuki motorcross) and a MV F4 750 but I just want a fun worry free riding bike, if I want italiano problems I'll fire up the goose :plus: I think this Ape will be everything I want and more just don't throw acid on me when I tell you my next bike will be a Harley a few years down the road. Streetbob with blacked out everything but the motor to be exact. :cheers:

[Crazy Horse]

Well the clutch MC was improved in late 04

There's even an exact date posted, in Nov of 04 I believe, when the part was updated.

If you're saying later models still have a problem, that might be true, but they did make an attempt to fix it in late 04.

From the threads I've read on here, I doubt the average 06 or 07 needs to be bled as frequently as the average 04.

I have an 04 with the stock M/C and have never bled it. A buddy has an 05 and put the Brembo billet on his to cure the problem. Both bikes are race only bikes.

Be sure to check your wiring at the rectifier. I ran an extra wire on mine and it has helped with that situation.

[Smoke Eater]

Hey, I'm grateful for winning it but I'm really surprised that Ducati put a model in the showrooms with such trouble and made such poor attempts at taking care of it. There are threads now of early '08 models stalling.

Seriously, I haven't found anyone who has had their 1098 fixed to the point where it no longer stalls. It might stall less but it still stalls. They're masking the problem, not fixing it. There are threads with suggestions and then if you read on these never worked. The most disturbing topics are the recent ones where DNA now states there is no problem or my favorite "rider error".

It wasn't free by the way. The government makes you write a large check (35%) for income tax before getting the key. If I had paid full price for it I would be really pissed because I even asked the dealer beforehand about the stalling problems and he pretended that he knew nothing about it. Now after talking with him today, it appears that they have had about 1 in 5 with the issue.

I was just trying to warn you guys so forget it.

Chris, I had all the body work off today hoping to find a loose connector or some easy fix. It all went right back on. I was actually pretty impressed with the fit.

[lawman800]

I've had 2 Aprilia Mille Rs and 3 Ducatis (996x2 and 1098s) and while I love Aprilias, the Ducks just look better and with the huge hp deficit of the current Mille v. 1098, there's no comparison.

BTW, if you hate Ducks so much, stay off them.

I can ride both and not have to hate on either. Maybe you need to expand your mind a bit.

[Sal Khan]

When I worked at the Dealership, we had 3 different 1098's come in for the same Stalling issues. Ducati does have a re-flash fix for it, but -

- and forgive my lashing out -

They're too fucking lazy and unorganized to do a fucking thing about it.

They're also too fucking lazy to update and correct price lists in their Parts Fiche in Lightspeed. Unless they fixed it in the past week, try looking up a subframe for a Ducati 998S Bostrom rep.

Sorry... sorry... It was part of the reason I quit my job a week ago... granted a small part. :D :)

[DeBenGuzzi]

I've had 2 Aprilia Mille Rs and 3 Ducatis (996x2 and 1098s) and while I love Aprilias, the Ducks just look better and with the huge hp deficit of the current Mille v. 1098, there's no comparison.

BTW, if you hate Ducks so much, stay off them.

I can ride both and not have to hate on either. Maybe you need to expand your mind a bit.

if you look at his collection of bikes I don't see where he is "hating on them" and I know all italian bikes can have quarks it just seems like ducati has the most serious forms of them that end up costing gobs of money and/or time to work out. Its obviously about passion, if youre in love with the bike you'll look past all that, if you just want to ride then you'll be royaly pist off. :soap:

[Smoke Eater]

I don't hate Ducati's. I'm probably buying a 748R tomorrow for a trackbike.

[Badmojo]

One of my best friends bought a 1098s. It's been in the shop more than he's been riding it. After several attempts, they fixed the stalling issue... only to break it again with a "Ducati required ECU update". They had to replace his left crankcase cover because the chain was eating away at it. Ducati had no explanation, but now it's happening again. Ducati isn't sure what they're going to do about it. I think they are going to try to convince him to turn to the aftermarket and put on a smaller front sprocket.

[Arnie]

I don't hate Ducati's. I'm probably buying a 748R tomorrow for a trackbike.

Oh really? Judging from your previous posts one would think otherwise. :rolleyes:

I've had my 1098 since February and 3,300 miles later have had zero problems. I can't say the same for my '04 Factory, i've had more problems with that bike than my two Ducatis combined (which is zero). Which is why I sold my Aprilia.

[DeBenGuzzi]

Oh really? Judging from your previous posts one would think otherwise. :rolleyes:

I've had my 1098 since February and 3,300 miles later have had zero problems. I can't say the same for my '04 Factory, i've had more problems with that bike than my two Ducatis combined (which is zero). Which is why I sold my Aprilia.

Personally, I do NOT believe you. I haven't heard of anyone to never have a problem with a Ducati, let alone TWO, either you should start buying lottery tickets with your luck or you tend to forget the problems you had with the bikes you love (like I do with my guzzi) or the poo's gettin deep in here :spankie:

[Micah / AF1 Racing]

I have ridden 1098s models...neither stalled on me but total mileagae is less than 20 between the 2 bikes.

I think that the "right" dealer should be able to make it run correctly.

[jandrade]

Don't you mean the 916/996/998?

I thought the 999 was generally considered a design flop with most preferring the older design (despite the improved performance) and I thought that was why the 1098 more closely resembles the 916 series?

While what your saying is true, i think the 999 was and so is the 916/996/998 etc...i just think the 1098 looks like alot of jap bikes but i understand that the whole sequence of them copying the 916 and then ducati going retro yatta yatta

[Smoke Eater]

This guy is from the 1098 forum and is stirring shit over there too. OneDucs? Maybe?

I never said I hate Ducatis. My only problem has been with one in particular. Other people have also had problems with the same model. That was my point.

Now I'm signing off, forgetting about this thread and taking my Mille for a ride.

[Arnie]

Personally, I do NOT believe you. I haven't heard of anyone to never have a problem with a Ducati, let alone TWO, either you should start buying lottery tickets with your luck or you tend to forget the problems you had with the bikes you love (like I do with my guzzi) or the poo's gettin deep in here :spankie:

I don't have to convince you or anyone else for that matter. Go believing what you want. In the meantime I'm enjoying the heck out of my Ducatis. :bitchslap

[ckruzel]

hyperdrive did the ducati "experience" he bought a 749s in fly yellow, piece of shit stalled since day one apparently the stalling thing give the bike character ;)

after they got the stalling "minimized" by ripping his engine apart with a couple hundred miles it used to blow fuel out the exhaust. they suspected a ecu issue, he traded it and bought a rsvr factory and has never looked back

its nice you never had any problems, but knowing two people that worked at a ducati/aprilia dealer, according to them as a whole the aprilia's are way more reliable, anything mechanical can have issues

they both had ducati's one a 999s the other a monster s4r, both sold there bikes one now has a zx636 the other never bought anything else

the one good thing is ducati seems to stand behind the bikes as they buy back a bunch every year :D

even hank calls his 748 his "junk"

[Smoke Eater]

So Arnie...why are you here?

[Arnie]

So Arnie...why are you here?

Do you own this board???

[hank]

even hank calls his 748 his "junk"

Yes, it is a beater and a sometimes POS, but I still enjoy thrashing it on a regular basis.

I just can't seem to get around to selling it/parting it out. Then again, I can't justify putting any more cash into her....:micah:

The 848 will be a sweet bike even with it's expected faults.

[DeBenGuzzi]

Do you own this board???

no, but I hear Al Gore has a stake in it some how. You sure got sensitive for some reason, I bet its because youre lyin about the faults in the ducs, No one is sayin they're bad bikes but as reliability goes, theyre shite. The same could be said for high end cars too so its not a shot its endearing? I'd still like to have a duc someday maybe a 748 or the future 848 but I'll have to have a lot of money and free time on my hands

[Smoke Eater]

Own it? Nope.

That would be the guys at AF1 but I was one of the originals here from way, way back when I owned a 1999 RS250 and a 1999 Pegaso. I was considering selling my Laverda Mirage to buy a Mille which I did.

This is one of the best motorcycle forums anywhere regardless of the brands featured. In fact, I've gotten some great ideas from members here about the problems with the 1098 that I will be forwarding to the 1098 forum.

[Arnie]

no, but I hear Al Gore has a stake in it some how. You sure got sensitive for some reason, I bet its because youre lyin about the faults in the ducs, No one is sayin they're bad bikes but as reliability goes, theyre shite. The same could be said for high end cars too so its not a shot its endearing? I'd still like to have a duc someday maybe a 748 or the future 848 but I'll have to have a lot of money and free time on my hands

Lying? LOL, Like I said go on believing what you want to believe.

[BigMille]

Well, all I can say is that I have been considering a 999S Parts Unlimited or a 1098 and I have been lurking on ducati.ms and ducat1098.net.

The stuff that has been reported on the 1098 is incredible and I would not even consider owning one until they get the stalling problem solved.

I have met 3 people who own them and each has said that they have stalled multiple times.

I could possibly handle the stalling at the light situations, but having the bike cut out on decel is unaceptable and will eventually get someone killed.

I am also unnearved by the apparent lack of understanding why they are stalling. I have heard several explanatioins now from not having the full Termi to cam timing....

They should have had this sorted on the 08's....that is unaceptable.

[DeBenGuzzi]

Lying? LOL, Like I said go on believing what you want to believe.

That just proves my other point as to why I didn't buy a Ducati.

[lawman800]

Oh really? Judging from your previous posts one would think otherwise. :rolleyes:

I've had my 1098 since February and 3,300 miles later have had zero problems. I can't say the same for my '04 Factory, i've had more problems with that bike than my two Ducatis combined (which is zero). Which is why I sold my Aprilia.

It's true, Arnie hasn't had problems with his Ducati like I have had with mine, but then again, Arnie has a habit of changing everything on it as soon as he gets it so maybe that's why there's never any problems since his bike is about 5% stock after he gets done with it.:bond:

[lawman800]

They should have had this sorted on the 08's....that is unaceptable.

The early "08s" are rebadged 07s that they are selling for $1k extra, which explains the similar issues.

[Arnie]

That just proves my other point as to why I didn't buy a Ducati.

Then why are you saying you might get a Duc someday? Don't you know they are unreliable? :rolleyes:

[Arnie]

Well, all I can say is that I have been considering a 999S Parts Unlimited or a 1098 and I have been lurking on ducati.ms and ducat1098.net.

The stuff that has been reported on the 1098 is incredible and I would not even consider owning one until they get the stalling problem solved.

I have met 3 people who own them and each has said that they have stalled multiple times.

I could possibly handle the stalling at the light situations, but having the bike cut out on decel is unaceptable and will eventually get someone killed.

I am also unnearved by the apparent lack of understanding why they are stalling. I have heard several explanatioins now from not having the full Termi to cam timing....

They should have had this sorted on the 08's....that is unaceptable.

You've been looking at the wrong forums. Go to 1098-forum.com there is a lot more detailed information there.

[Arnie]

It's true, Arnie hasn't had problems with his Ducati like I have had with mine, but then again, Arnie has a habit of changing everything on it as soon as he gets it so maybe that's why there's never any problems since his bike is about 5% stock after he gets done with it.:bond:

:D

So Will how was the new C class test drive yesterday?

[lawman800]

The new C-class sure looks pretty in the C350 Sport trim with the big AMG SLR style star on the grille. The engine is the same familiar 268hp 3.5V6 that is found in the ML350 and E350 sedans.

The handling is much tighter than my last gen 2003 C230K sedan and the salesman said the wheelbase is stretched so it's the same size as the 2007 E350 now. I did manage to break it loose a few times on the test track but the Traction Control kicked in immediately and shut the gas which made a nice power slide impossible as well as getting a good drive out the corner.

The interior, unfortunately, still has a lot of cheap plastic everywhere and the steering wheel adjustment is still done via a chintzy plastic lever, instead of electronically on higher end bimmers.

The power delivery was smooth but doesn't give you the hit like a bimmer or even a Lexus IS. I guess MBz is not after that with their baby Benz.

In all, pretty fun and classy event.

[Arnie]

I would've loved to have seen you drift that new C350! Where in Santa Monica was the event at?

[lawman800]

I would've loved to have seen you drift that new C350! Where in Santa Monica was the event at?

They had a camera guy out there in front of me as I power drifted in every corner until the TC cut in. It wasn't too hard to do since I kept the 7 speed auto in D1 the whole time and just floored it. I tell ya the skills learned in Emergency Vehicle Operations Course sure came in handy that day... I heard... from Kent... yeah....

It was held in Hangar 8 of the Santa Monica Airport.

[Arnie]

They had a camera guy out there in front of me as I power drifted in every corner until the TC cut in. It wasn't too hard to do since I kept the 7 speed auto in D1 the whole time and just floored it. I tell ya the skills learned in Emergency Vehicle Operations Course sure came in handy that day... I heard... from Kent... yeah....

It was held in Hangar 8 of the Santa Monica Airport.

I went to a drifting competition about a month ago and that was insane! I was close enough where you could feel the chunks of rubber hitting you.

Speaking of Kent, those K9 bite marks on him were nuts! And he had a protective suit on! Wow, I'd never want a friggin police dog on me.

So did MB provide food and drinks too?

[lawman800]

I went to a drifting competition about a month ago and that was insane! I was close enough where you could feel the chunks of rubber hitting you.

Speaking of Kent, those K9 bite marks on him were nuts! And he had a protective suit on! Wow, I'd never want a friggin police dog on me.

So did MB provide food and drinks too?

And Kent wanted some of us to help be his agitator, forget it!

MB provided water and hors d'oeuvres like shrimp pate on milque toast.

[ckruzel]

c class looks like a sebring from the back, front end looks better than previous, however not sure about it, i'll have to see how they come in and what problems we see at the dealership with them before i'd even consider one, the e class is a pretty stable vehicle now

[lawman800]

c class looks like a sebring from the back, front end looks better than previous, however not sure about it, i'll have to see how they come in and what problems we see at the dealership with them before i'd even consider one, the e class is a pretty stable vehicle now

I wouldn't get it over my current BMW 650i but it was a free hosted event so what the heck?

Where's my decals?

[ckruzel]

You've been looking at the wrong forums. Go to 1098-forum.com there is a lot more detailed information there.


http://www.ducatirr.net/forum/showthread.php?t=679



I'm having issues with stalling on the 1098. At first i thought it was a first time ducati rider error, but mine's stalled at the lights and in the car park.

I saw the previous posts and no one seems sure of the answer. ECM? Does anyone have a definite answer/fix?

Do a search there is a post about 250 replies long about it for more details. Short anwser is yes its a problem and yes your dealer should know about it.



http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=32&TID=31316&set_time=1187365052




So in 400 miles the bike's stalled 3 times... all for no reason whatsoever... I suppose I'm lucky compared to the folk out there who've had it considerably worse...

Of the 3 times mines stalled, the last one was the most bizarre. Pulled up to a light and it just plain died... then it automatically tried to reboot itself, but acted as though the battery was dead. I pushed it out of the intersection, turned the key off and on and it started no problem. Taking it in to get it looked at this week
any solutions on the horizon? I suppose I best head down to the local dealer and get my VIN # registered with this problem


mine has been in for first service, and still stalling. now, its done it while leaving a light. Revs are good, lots of power, then nothing. I've had the ECU, and cams adjusted. Dealer doesn't know what to do next.


there is also a recall for timing belt tensioners


this was just a quick google search, however in all fairness in those threads some of the people have had the bikes fixed as this post wasnt a witch hunt against ducati just to say yes i have heard and read of stalling problems

arnie, if you have a bike without problems thats great, in this day and age of vehicle and bike mfg's models that used to be rock solid don't seem to anymore, i personally blame most oem parts suppliers, i think not all ducati's have problems nor do i think all aprilia's have problems, its almost like a roll of the dice if your buying a bike or a car these days to see if you get a good one

[ckruzel]

I wouldn't get it over my current BMW 650i but it was a free hosted event so what the heck?

Where's my decals?

you should just give me a call this week, its supposed to rain all week so i'll be home every night after work

[lawman800]

What time do you go to bed? I'll call you tomorrow.

[ckruzel]

usually late, around 2 am or so, i have to work until 6 all week but will be home shortly after that (eastern time)

[DeBenGuzzi]

Then why are you saying you might get a Duc someday? Don't you know they are unreliable? :rolleyes:
thats what makes'em fun, you never know when its gonna blow. :chillpill

[Arnie]

arnie, if you have a bike without problems thats great, in this day and age of vehicle and bike mfg's models that used to be rock solid don't seem to anymore, i personally blame most oem parts suppliers, i think not all ducati's have problems nor do i think all aprilia's have problems, its almost like a roll of the dice if your buying a bike or a car these days to see if you get a good one

Chris I agree with your statement about oem parts suppliers. Some have great quality control while others do not. And in this global economy where everyone is trying to save a buck it becomes even harder to maintain a high standard of quality that is consistent across the board.

[Arnie]

thats what makes'em fun, you never know when its gonna blow. :chillpill

Chillin' like a villain. :chillpill:chillpill:chillpill

[Arnie]

And Kent wanted some of us to help be his agitator, forget it!



Maybe Julio and Ant!!!

[crojack]

c class looks like a sebring from the back, front end looks better than previous, however not sure about it, i'll have to see how they come in and what problems we see at the dealership with them before i'd even consider one, the e class is a pretty stable vehicle now

I really don't know how Mercedes started in this thread, but I have to say the the new C-Class looks like a Hyundai Sonata.

and per the Duc. are they stalling while riding? or stalling while just sitting and idling? or???

[JJ_008]

I really don't know how Mercedes started in this thread, but I have to say the the new C-Class looks like a Hyundai Sonata.

and per the Duc. are they stalling while riding? or stalling while just sitting and idling? or???

Mine would stall while idling and when going really slow with the clutch in. The 1098 is an amazing motorcycle, but it is not a very good street bike.

[Kemuri]

I have yet to ride a bike that has the emotional content of a Ducati. The vibe of the Desmo engine and rattle of the dry clutch, awesome. The flip side is well known, glad to see some have had trouble free ownership but that does seem to be the exception.

[work_moto]

My cousin bought one and took it back for a refund.

He had nothing but trouble with it.

Looked great, thats about it.

[MrFeetZ]

Well, all I can say is that I have been considering a 999S Parts Unlimited or a 1098 ....

That PU 999s is Sweet looking! I was on the fence between that and the 1098 and ended up going with the 1098. Maybe in a couple years I can get one used somewhere :burnout:

BTW, for what it's worth, My 1098 hasnt stalled once either. Well, actually once but it had to do with the kickstand. :rolleyes: I have both a 04 RSV and an 07 1098. I had my issues with the Ape, and Im still dealing with the stator. But I still love it and the issues doesnt make it a bad bike. Havent had any yet with the 1098 but, I suppose at some point I will. They are bikes and are prone to issues. I still dig both bikes. Im sure if you search this forum, you'd find a LOT of posts regarding issues with the RSV and Aprilia. You'll have to go back a couple, few years but they're there. Clutches, breaks, swing arms, stators, parts, service, etc, etc, etc. Only difference was at that time, I dont think too many other forums were bad mouthing Aprilia because of it. Most first run bikes have issues and kinks. They (hopefully) mostly get corrected by the second year of production.

You might also consider that the member list of that Ducati forum is only 2500 with I dont know how many actually 1098 owners. Although there has been numerious posts about stalling issues, it still could only be a fraction of the total number of 1098 out there.

[hank]

I have both a 04 RSV and an 07 1098. I had my issues with the Ape, and Im still dealing with the stator.

Im sure if you search this forum, you'd find a LOT of posts regarding issues with the RSV and Aprilia. You'll have to go back a couple, few years but they're there. Clutches, breaks, swing arms, stators, parts, service, etc, etc, etc.


The issues you noted are primarily because you have the 04 Priller... OK, the 450/550 bikes are also a handful of problems but then again, they are purpose-built racebikes and the owners already (or should) expect issues with them...

My 748 has issues, but it is a fun ride and yes, I would consider the 848 but I would rather have a middle-weight baby mille :cheers:

My 99 Mille is a freakin tank and nothng can keep it from starting right up and running all out on the track... day in, day out without even the slightest problem.
:worship:

[lawman800]

My 99 Mille was a tank also and ran without any problems until I lowsided it at 80mph and turned it into modern art. The 01 Mille R also ran just fine but the charging system was a bit weak and the battery would cut out sometimes when you try to start it.

My 1098s used to stall but not anymore since I took it back and had the O2 sensor adjusted. Now it cuts out only when it overheats while idling and the engine temp goes over 228F or so but it starts right back up. Funny that I don't hear a fan though.

[20Hz]

Smokeater, your subsequent responses seem much more reasonable. I hope your bike will get fixed and you'll come to realize what an awesome machine it is.
I was mostly answering all the other "1098 SUX" asshats that love to jump in whenever the topic comes up (looking at you, here ckruzel...).
Again, there are plenty of folks who have no stalling problems, myself included. In fact I know of no-one with a full termi system who has consistent stalling problems. If those of you who love to hate spend any time reading those stalling threads you'll see that many people have never had the problem, and many have had it fixed, never to return. I think Micha's point about certain dealers being able to figure it out more easily is right on. Anyway, I just got back from flogging the shit out of my 1098S for two days at Miller and need to go lovingly wash my badass machine...

[ckruzel]

I was mostly answering all the other "1098 SUX" asshats that love to jump in whenever the topic comes up (looking at you, here ckruzel...).



first off like i fuckin care what anyone thinks

its a forum and i can post my opinion anytime i want to just as you can. i provided weblinks to posts about the stall and some of the posts from forums. hyperdrives 749S was a problem child also. and also my opinion that the one "I" took the body work off sucked ass, it was like bad race bodywork going back on, the fit was horrible

and i guess you didn't read my post to arnie towards the end of the thread, i never said the bike sucked, i said the fit and finish sucked, this from first hand experience with a very early one, maybe there was changes later, don't know, don't really care. and i didn't make up that the two people i know sold there ducati's one is an italian bike technician the other was a salesman

[Smoke Eater]

An update:

Ducati is replacing my ECU, the dash unit, temperature sensors, and the light harness.

[ckruzel]

An update:

Ducati is replacing my ECU, the dash unit, temperature sensors, and the light harness.

thats it?

diagnosis by remington :eek:

[Tdawg]

An update:

Ducati is replacing my ECU, the dash unit, temperature sensors, and the light harness.

Does this mean when used 1098s hit the market the mileage will be of concern?

(not that a first years a good option anyway, although my 04rsv's done just fine, touch wood)

[Smoke Eater]

I'm guessing that the used ones will be fine. Tested by time.

[joecop30]

Does this mean when used 1098s hit the market the mileage will be of concern?

(not that a first years a good option anyway, although my 04rsv's done just fine, touch wood)

...he said touch wood.....that was funny:o

[Atmozphere]

Bought a brand new ducati 1098S 3 weeks ago...

before had a series of aprilia motorcycles ( '99 rs125 - '01 rs250 - '99 rsv - '00 rsvr ) and never had problems with them except for a broken gearbox shift peg and a broken exhaust on my 250

aprilia didn't wanted to replace it under guarantee because it could be used for racing the cup tssss :bangwall:

my dealer twisted his sock for me and donated me a shift peg and gave me a very nice price for a new arrow challenge exhaust kit ...

those things and then fantastic resale price 2nd hand helped me deceide to never buy an aprila again ( over the bikes themselves i'm satisfied though)

i got 2 years full guarantee on my 1098S and when broken/in repair i get a replacement bike at no cost, bike picked up at home for free
never heard an aprilia dealer do this in europe... :rolleyes:

i done now my first 1000km perfectly and except for one time shutting down suddenly(but immediately started again) when waiting at the traffic lights and one time when i wanted to leave traffic lights it has never gave a thing to worry about ( btw my rsv's sometimes shutted down both at the traffic lights without any reason :) )

this week i'm going on full 160 hp release(was on 100 hp for tax benefit in belgium) and she gets a full termignoni 70mm exhaust kit :bump::cheers:

[ckruzel]

anything used in competition doesn't have a warranty, brembo racing master on my friends bike started leaking on his second track day - you bought it you got that, thats the warranty

however as far as warranty goes, you will like ducati, they goodwill many many broken parts out of warranty, and buy alot of bikes back also

what i don't really understand is how this went from a guy first being mad by all rights winning a brand new bike with problems - fixed or not fixed, shouldn't have had those problems at and shortly after delivery to the i'll never buy an aprilia again post, your not getting any sympathy on an aprilia forum and if you hate them so much, why do you post or hang out on an aprilia forum, i myself don't go to ducati forums, other than the monster forum, which i was a member a while back but haven't been there in ages

buy what makes you happy, buy what you want and enjoy it but the aprilia bash on an aprilia forum ????

[BigMille]

:plus:

And when your bike suddenly shuts down at a traffic light, that is called a stall and to me that is BS

[Atmozphere]

:plus:

And when your bike suddenly shuts down at a traffic light, that is called a stall and to me that is BS

then call a mille also a BIG BS bike :rolleyes:

both my mille's had that problem :)

with the termignoni ecu and the exhaust kit both the 'dip and the stalling problems' are over :rolleyes:

as what i read on the net i may be lucky having no problems so far and it really 'stalled' only once in 1000 km

with my rsv's i got used to it that once a ride at a traffic light it just shutted down, at stop or just drive away :confused:


i'm satisfied over aprilia but not about their service, really SUXX:bond:


anything used in competition doesn't have a warranty, brembo racing master on my friends bike started leaking on his second track day - you bought it you got that, thats the warranty



biggest BS there is :blah:

if you buy a street homologated bike or car and it had guarantee it's for the whole bike,never read anything about individual parts in a guarantee form..:tired:

never raced my rs250 on circuit,selling someone a motorcycle = 1 , but giving them good service and backup = 2 :mad:

aprilia never made it to part 2

thousands of rsv's even now have the clutch problem, the rear brake issue and god knows what else thet they can't fix at the factory in noale...

my both rsv's never had prob's, rear brake i never used on a 2 cilinder 4 stroke but if they place one on your bike it's supposed to work:bangwall:

always been a aprilia fan since the early 2 stroke racers(in europe we have the chance to get all models btw :bump: )
but every time i open my mouth over my ex bikes when being an ex-aprilia rider i get this kind of oewww don't bash aprilia BS

i don't consider myself a ducati man, just bought it because i love the driving feel and it's looks

by building those ugly 2004+ rsv's my love for aprilia's SS bikes went away..

they managed to make me warm to buy an sxv 5.5 when i saw it(but i deceided to not buy one because they are so f*cking great to give service on racing bikes in noale :rolleyes:) but i better shut my mouth about that washlist of problems lol :tired::blah::rolleyes:

for people who thinking about a 1098 , just go for one if you love it, mine is doing well after 1000km's , had one of the last delivered ones for this year(last one in belgium) so i'm sure they managed to solve the stalling and the other problems
at least ducati has the part of 2 years guarantee and fixing of problems right


better then giving 4 years of guarantee and can't manage to solve a problem :whiner:

:worship: the aprilia bikes but :bangwall: the service

my two cents ( who are now gonna be spent on a nice number board sticker kit :cheers: )

[ckruzel]

then call a mille also a BIG BS bike :rolleyes:

both my mille's had that problem :)

with the termignoni ecu and the exhaust kit both the 'dip and the stalling problems' are over

as what i read on the net i may be lucky having no problems so far and it really 'stalled' only once in 1000 km

with my rsv's i got used to it that once a ride at a traffic light it just shutted down, at stop or just drive away


i'm satisfied over aprilia but not about their service, really SUXX

thousands of rsv's even now have the clutch problem, the rear brake issue and god knows what else thet they can't fix at the factory in noale...

my both rsv's never had prob's, rear brake i never used on a 2 cilinder 4 stroke but if they place one on your bike it's supposed to work:bangwall:

)


so you had to buy a termi exhaust and ecu to "fix" you stalling, don't you think the bike shouldn't have stalled in the first place

rear brake issues and brembo's have been going back to the days of the 998 and 748 bikes, just ask any ducati tech, the one that works at the ducati aprilia dealer changed the master/caliper/lines and still had air in it, aprilia isn't alone in this catagory

stalling problems were never a huge issue on the forum with our bikes, most were in the early 2004 bikes or newer that the "dealer" never loaded map2 correctly or updated the base firmware of the ecu


if you like your bike, good for you, but don't come on an aprilia forum saying they are junk and the ducati is the holy grail because as far as i can see it both brands have had issues

and as far as i can see there service doesn't suck, its most dealers that suck, ducati has a nice share in that market as well, as well as honda, suzuki, kawasaki, and yamaha - most dealers don't give a shit, or even sympathize with a person who owns a bike and has problems

if the rear brake is bled properly it will work fine, find a tech that acutally knows how to work on your bikes

clutch problem, another brembo trait, 999's have similair issues, i talk to the head ducati/aprilia tech all the time the local shop

since you spent money getting the termi exhaust and ecu to fix your stalling, (i take it you like to mod your bike also) i did similair by buying the racing billet clutch master and haven't had any clutch problems since over a year that i installed it

your problems sound like you had a shit dealer working on your bike, not uncommon, but you shouldn't blame the bike for a dealers lack of experience to repair your bike, however if thats all you have there, i guess i don't blame you for buying something else

[hank]

both my mille's had that problem :)

with the termignoni ecu and the exhaust kit both the 'dip and the stalling problems' are over :rolleyes:

i'm satisfied over aprilia but not about their service, really SUXX:bond:


A few thoughts... there is a vast difference between the widely known and consistent problem of stalling on XX9 and onward Ducs and the stalling that is virtually unheard of in Mille's - except for yours... Seems like the problems with your Milles' were related to you and/or the Dealer that serviced them.

The bottom line - stalling issues aren't systemic to Aprilia's, but they are indeed systemic to the Ducs.

And FWIW - there are good and bad dealers - irrespective of brand. I had more issues with bad dealers for my Duc than I have had with my Priller. Luckily, I was finally able to find a single dealer that serviced BOTH of the brands very well.

[lawman800]

A few thoughts... there is a vast difference between the widely known and consistent problem of stalling on XX9 and onward Ducs and the stalling that is virtually unheard of in Mille's - except for yours... Seems like the problems with your Milles' were related to you and/or the Dealer that serviced them.

The bottom line - stalling issues aren't systemic to Aprilia's, but they are indeed systemic to the Ducs.

And FWIW - there are good and bad dealers - irrespective of brand. I had more issues with bad dealers for my Duc than I have had with my Priller. Luckily, I was finally able to find a single dealer that serviced BOTH of the brands very well.

You want to talk bad dealers? None are worse than the ones here that deal in Japanese bikes and sell to squids like Bert's MegaDenOfThievesMall or any other place.

I won't name the dealer (Temple City Powersports) but they had this one salesman who had no idea what he was talking about so I went in back in 2004 with the intention to buy 2 ZX6RRs for racing SS class. I did my homework, did the research on the prices and whatnot and went and tried to make a deal on 2 bikes as a package. Told him I don't need street reg either because they are going straight to the track.

Guy wouldn't get it and kept doing the hard sell on trying to get me to pay full MSRP and full fees including a lot of padding of stuff. I showed him the math and said why are you charging me for $500 prep each while you are getting $300 each on top for factory holdback? You're trying to make $800 each on TOP of all your other stuff that you are bilking me out of and I know your bottom line so don't tell me your MSRP has no profit margin.

He gave me this stare and said, "Well, it's obvious that you know your bikes and what you are talking about..." then he goes on to hold his line and said he'll make me a deal and offered to let me "STEAL" his 2 bikes for the same full price. I told him if I was to steal them, they would be free. How do you figure it's a theft when I paid full pop? His face turned fire red and we thought we were going to have a bar fight on the spot.

Needless to say, I haven't went back to that dealer since. Oh, their service dept. isn't much better. They have a shed extension in the back where they do the service work, no separate bays for each bikes or nothing. Looks like my buddies garage where he stacked bikes and parts all around with the intention of getting to them some day.

[hank]

You want to talk bad dealers? None are worse than the ones here that deal in Japanese bikes and sell to squids like Bert's MegaDenOfThievesMall or any other place.



Oh I can easily believe it... there are bad dealers everywhere - good ones are very hard to find and great ones are indeed rare!

I can readily say that I would probably have to drive just as far to find good <insert Japanese I4 brand> service as I currently do for my Ducati/Aprilia service...:cheers:

[Atmozphere]

so you had to buy a termi exhaust and ecu to "fix" you stalling, don't you think the bike shouldn't have stalled in the first place


if you like your bike, good for you, but don't come on an aprilia forum saying they are junk and the ducati is the holy grail because as far as i can see it both brands have had issues



ever thought about some decent glasses mate? :confused:

:worship:the aprilia bikes but :bangwall: the service

you probably forget to read that part i wrote...


what would you know about shitty dealers here in europe lol
btw , my both rsv's where serviced at a wel known tuner who raced for many years with both 2 and 4 stroke aprilia's :rolleyes:
nothing wrong to them, the stalling problem only happened while waiting at traffic lights, never had an other problem with them.


in my eyes an rsv is a far more reliable bike than a ducati ever can be but i don't care, i'm well informed about the common problems with all 4 valve 4 stroke ducati's and i paid 21.200€ for one, knowing that one day it can blow up, fall apart of anything else.
don't care,if i wanted reliability for years i would have bought a honda :burnout:



nothing on a 1098 seems to be good in your eyes (i'm wondered how you can create stickers with so lousy eyes :confused:) , read it many posts before in this ducatibash-ducatisubforumtopic(nice scrabble word btw)... :tired:

btw.. i bought a termi system kit with my bike, not for the stalling of any other common problems but for the sound and power increase
if you make some other story of that that's your problem, you're the one getting another brake master to get your aprilia in normal technical condition lol :rolleyes:
if that one stall experience on 1000 km will be the only problem i'm gonna have with my new bike i :worship: it lol



and it can be that this is a aprilia forum but i thought i posted in a part specially made for other italians, sow cut the crap en stop bashing ducati's :whiner:

[BigMille]

I'm not bashing the 1098, I would like one, but not if I have to "fix" it with a $2k exhaust....

[Atmozphere]

I'm not bashing the 1098, I would like one, but not if I have to "fix" it with a $2k exhaust....


why don't you join him to an optician :WTF:

maybe you get a better deal by buying glasses together :bump:

are all you americans so blind or ... :rolleyes:


btw.. i bought a termi system kit with my bike, not for the stalling of any other common problems but for the sound and power increase

as meant : ordered it together with my bike,not afterwards to solve problems that aren't even there lol

[Atmozphere]

I'm not bashing the 1098, I would like one, but not if I have to "fix" it with a $2k exhaust....

by the way...

what's MAP2 again with your 2004 does not even half look like the real 98-03 rsv mille :bump:

wasn't that for many problems with the injection or so :rolleyes::happy:

[ckruzel]

nothing on a 1098 seems to be good in your eyes (i'm wondered how you can create stickers with so lousy eyes :confused:) ,

the motor is awsome.

as for my eyes or decals, i don't seem to have any problems

the 1098 doesn't do anything for me, i hate the looks, thought the fit and finish was awfull when i got to remove body the bodywork myself, the only good thing is the motor as far as i'm concerned. however i'm just one small voice out there that no ducati 1098 owner would ever pay any attention to anyway, its my opinion and i'm more than entitled to it

i liked the 999r and 999s ALOT almost bought one, so its not that i hate ducati's at all, i liked riding my friends monster s4r, however it stalled also. the problem was fixed though under warranty

i can buy anybike i want and i chose to get the one i'm riding - WHY? - personal preference and some research before i bought it of course

[hank]

what would you know about shitty dealers here in europe lol
btw , my both rsv's where serviced at a wel known tuner who raced for many years with both 2 and 4 stroke aprilia's

You live in Belgium - anybody we know??! :rolleyes: if so, he surely could have solved just about any problem your bike's had. :cheers:

[BigMille]

why don't you join him to an optician :WTF:

maybe you get a better deal by buying glasses together :bump:

are all you americans so blind or ... :rolleyes:


btw.. i bought a termi system kit with my bike, not for the stalling of any other common problems but for the sound and power increase

as meant : ordered it together with my bike,not afterwards to solve problems that aren't even there lol

Maybe blind but at least we are not stupid. Any bike that I buy will run properly off the showroom floor. It is my understanding that many 1098's EVEN with the exhaust are still stalling.

As for my 04, it has been flawless. I have MAP2 because I run slip on exhausts. My bike ran perfectly in its original configuration.

[BigMille]

Again to clarify, every bike I have owned has had some special maintenance to keep a watchful eye on, however, the resaerch I have been doing on the 1098 looks as if they have a poblem that can not be fixed in their stock configuration.

[ckruzel]

by the way...

what's MAP2 again with your 2004 does not even half look like the real 98-03 rsv mille :bump:

wasn't that for many problems with the injection or so :rolleyes::happy:

what the fuck are you even talking about? are you retarded? you might say i need glasses but you need english lessons, at least type something we can understand, so according to you a real bike is old? maybe a real ducati is a 996? and you don't know what map2 is?

map2 for problems????? - do a little research

[Atmozphere]

what the fuck are you even talking about? are you retarded? you might say i need glasses but you need english lessons, at least type something we can understand, so according to you a real bike is old? maybe a real ducati is a 996? and you don't know what map2 is?

map2 for problems????? - do a little research

then explain me what map2 is for :happy: well...?

btw taking somebody on his translation is lame stickerguy :rolleyes:

according to me a 2004+ mille is an ugly bike :fangs:

[ckruzel]

your smart and i'm sure you can find out, its only all over the forum

looks are in the eye of the beholder

[Atmozphere]

Again to clarify, every bike I have owned has had some special maintenance to keep a watchful eye on, however, the resaerch I have been doing on the 1098 looks as if they have a poblem that can not be fixed in their stock configuration.

and that problem is stalling..?

well... mine does not seem to have that problem :)

1 time shutting down at 1000 km is not a problem in my eyes
when you drive your bike and on 10 traffic lights it 'stalls' 3-4 times , then you indeed have a problem...

i'm quiete happy with my duc, it's more made to me then my rsv was(never had a good position with my feet, wanted to have harris rear sets but never had the luck to find gold ones i liked )

in comparision the mille had a better seat, whrist position was far more better but the duc is more made for steering, noticed that from the first ride.

only the suspension is not good for me at stock,no feedback at the rear and to hard at the front
gonna let it adjust at a trackday soon..

i wished i had an rs250 again btw.. was the closest to a race bike i ever had driven... :cheers:

[ckruzel]

atmospherz if you like your bike and its mechanically sound then what more can you ask for, i guess any bike that has problems may leave a bad taste in anyones mouth, if you like your bike, enjoy the hell out of it, like i said i like the motor but prefer the look of the 999

and anyway map2 is a different fuel injection map that is built in the computer for when you remove the restrictive stock exhaust with the converters in them on the 04+ rsvr's the dealer just has to plug into the computer and switch it over so its not overly lean with aftermarket cans or headers on the bike

:cheers:

[hank]

Has this thread has just about reached its expiration point?
:gunner:

[lawman800]

Ibts!!!!!!

[jandrade]

yea no kiding, with a title like "DO NOT BUT A 1098", on a forum where im willing to bet half of the members own/have owned a ducati before, of course its going to get a huge rise out of people. Its time to close her up, the stalling issues are well documented, it seems like the thread starter was just using a play on words and doesnt "hate" the1098 by any stretch of the imagination.

[DeBenGuzzi]

I may get one in the future, but I'm not about first run bikes, I don't like to beta test things I want it to just work. I like doing mods not maint. so to me a first run isn't in the cards as ducati's are notorious, some are lucky, some not so much, beautiful bike, even if it looks like a triumph 675/MV f4 love child. :rolleyes:

[van-man]

1098 is the shizznit! Mine is the last of the '07s and I am certian that they are all sorted out. Micah is pleased with it and we are both looking forward to bringing out some potential with it this winter.
Only complaints are about the amount of restriction they put on the stock parts regarding airflow; and why not give me a slipper clutch for my +20K damnit?!?!?!?!

[rsvfrank]

Ducati should have done it like aprilia in 1998.

Handbuild the first batch to overcome those firstbatch problems.
I got a "98 mille of the first batch and never had any problems.

Btw I had a trackday last week at "zandvoort circuit" where a marshall was on a 1098.
He tore his right alpinestars boot apart caused by rubbing to the backwheel!
Did I just tracked a new 1098 prob:rolleyes:?

If I had the money I would buy one.
Good choice Atmosphere!

:cheers:Frank

[Smoke Eater]

I'm really sorry I started this thread. I thought I was just looking out for my friends.

[BigMille]

I'm really sorry I started this thread. I thought I was just looking out for my friends.

Don't apologize, I think your comments were warranted..

[CarlosT]

Please stop...this is all boosting the resale value of 999s...I wanna pick one up cheap and you guys are f_cking this up for me... :D

[Frazzermac]

Hoorah outstanding deflection...

So are Ducati's unreliable
:kidding:


:D

So Will how was the new C class test drive yesterday?

[grendels_arm]

In my opinion 749 and 999 owners will regret trading in their bike for a 1098. A 749/999 is a unique one of a kind design love it or hate it. The 1098 doesn't look unique. 20 years down the line the 749/999 will be desired more I believe. With the 749R holding the most value. Especially the 2004 model. A 749 would make a great track bike.

[lawman800]

Ib7b&!!

[DeBenGuzzi]

I gotta say I reallly like the 999's and was looking to get one, might still if the price drops, or a 749, its really unique in the way the 916 was in its day, the 1098 looks like a hodgepodge, a really pretty hodge but I'd almost want the F4 over the 1098 as its not much more and you get just as much if not more cheaper than the tricolor also its sex on wheels and unique to boot :cheers:

[grendels_arm]

I gotta say I reallly like the 999's and was looking to get one, might still if the price drops, or a 749, its really unique in the way the 916 was in its day, the 1098 looks like a hodgepodge, a really pretty hodge but I'd almost want the F4 over the 1098 as its not much more and you get just as much if not more cheaper than the tricolor also its sex on wheels and unique to boot :cheers:

I agree. The price is pretty good on a 749 for instance. You can get one for $8K-$9K I would think. Less is you find a track bike maybe.

And I agree on the F4 over the 1098. The F4 looks nicer in my opinion.

[Frazzermac]

This guys sounds like he works for Ducati advertising:bond:





and that problem is stalling..?

well... mine does not seem to have that problem :)

1 time shutting down at 1000 km is not a problem in my eyes
when you drive your bike and on 10 traffic lights it 'stalls' 3-4 times , then you indeed have a problem...

i'm quiete happy with my duc, it's more made to me then my rsv was(never had a good position with my feet, wanted to have harris rear sets but never had the luck to find gold ones i liked )

in comparision the mille had a better seat, whrist position was far more better but the duc is more made for steering, noticed that from the first ride.

only the suspension is not good for me at stock,no feedback at the rear and to hard at the front
gonna let it adjust at a trackday soon..

i wished i had an rs250 again btw.. was the closest to a race bike i ever had driven... :cheers:

[Atmozphere]

This guys sounds like he works for Ducati advertising:bond:

no i'm not :-)

now did 2200 km with mine and till now none problems here :cheers:
it's fast,very fast and steers like a rs250 like i owned years ago,got my suspension worked out al little and it's doing well now on public roads

it 'stalled' one time at the traffic lights(but started again immediately) in the beginning and it stayed with that one time,doing well ( only flat tire at the moment :gunner: )

hope to make some more miles in the spring next year :burnout:

complete BS all those 'big problem stories' , the 2nd part of 2007 models seem to have no problems at all... know two other people with a late 2007 mod...

1098S :worship:

[RSV Boy]

The early "08s" are rebadged 07s that they are selling for $1k extra, which explains the similar issues.

How come you guys talk about this years bike as '08?? it's only '07 now and a long way from '08. Does it sound better to say you've got an '08 :rolleyes: when in reality it was probably built in '06 anyway :bs: :spam:

:cheers: