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one_half_wuff
08-16-2007, 02:44 PM
I'm new to the forum and I'm also an old Guzzi fan, owned a V7 Sport, an 850 LeMans, 1000 LeMans and I've been looking at a kitted V11 LeMans.

But, what has happened to Guzzi. I understand the Brevas (good solid bikes) and the Norge looks to be a winner but where is the Guzzi excitment. Where is the MG01 for the real world? They've killed the V11 series, a beautiful bike but really too heavy to be a serious naked bike contender. The Griso is interesting and unusual, very unusual but with a 500 lb dry weight and a 61 inch wheelbase it's not exactly going to be the next Hypermotard. And the Griso looks like Terblanche sneaked in one night over at Guzzi.

Before somebody gets out the torch I know Guzzi's demogrophic is different than other Italian bikes but they are still Guzzi and they still are Grand Prix winners and they are still Italian.

Wuff

olie
08-16-2007, 03:05 PM
good news for you, there a new Guzzi dealer in Austin. Other than that SOS, under Piaggio.

http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124723

DeBenGuzzi
08-16-2007, 06:32 PM
they're not all bad, and they're bringing out a New 4v 1200 sport and Griso with more bawls and looks. and its "MGS-01" Thank YOU, but if you have the money you can make it road legal I spend most of my time over at the v11lemans.com and several have done the conversion. They're also working on a hypermotard the Stelvio, looks alright. :plus:

FalcoLion
08-17-2007, 12:08 AM
they're not all bad, and they're bringing out a New 4v 1200 sport and Griso with more bawls and looks. and its "MGS-01" Thank YOU, but if you have the money you can make it road legal I spend most of my time over at the v11lemans.com and several have done the conversion. They're also working on a hypermotard the Stelvio, looks alright. :plus:


I see you there all the time but I haven't seen anyone converting V11 to MGS-o1. Do you have links?

DeBenGuzzi
08-17-2007, 05:27 AM
http://www.daes-mototec.de/ makes some stuff for it as in a tail/blinkers
an examplke of their work
http://www.irisblen.de/guzzi/sonstige/daes1.jpg
and I know Guzzbun used some BMW aux lights and mounted them inside the large air scoup.
another member did something similar but mounted them inside the scoup literally
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f122/Quattrovalvole/DSCN368620.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f122/Quattrovalvole/DSCN368820.jpg

VA Sean
08-17-2007, 08:13 AM
I see you there all the time but I haven't seen anyone converting V11 to MGS-o1. Do you have links?

It isn't a conversion of a V11 Sport to an MGS-01... it is converting an MGS-01 from track only to street legal.

FUN DOG
08-17-2007, 08:37 AM
Not sure, but I love the way they put those transverse V's on their bikes. Nothing looks better to me. The cylinders stick out slightly even on the fully faired bikes like the Norge. Gives a bike the ultimate naked look.

Only problem with that is it sort of obviates liquid cooling. Same thing with BMW airheads. With liquid cooling there's no real need to have the cylinders out swinging in the wind. No reason for heat-sink fins either.

It's as if Moto Guzzi is afraid to go with liquid cooling because it destroys the utilitarian drive of having the cylinders out in the air. The new Norge is a perfect example. I know people have done fine with air cooled bikes over many miles and many years, but aren't they kinda hot to ride? Liquid cooling is just a better option.

They still look cool as shit.:)

But that would be my answer to your question. Guzzi isn't producing enough liquid cooled bikes. They could leave the cylinders right where they are and leave some faux fins on the heads, but for Pete's sake, liquid cool them beeotches! Technically, they're stuck on an antique engine design, which is fine if they're trying to maintain they're "vintage" status, I guess. But when it comes to laying down money on a bike in the 21st century, what do you really prefer? Air or water?

DeBenGuzzi
08-17-2007, 06:58 PM
SOME ppl have converted a V11 sport to a MGS-01 with a new swingarm and body kit but mostly in crazy germany as it cost almost as much as a V11 to do it.

and to all you nay sayers. what you mean they no liquid cool? you crazy, look at dis!
http://www.guzzisti.it/saloni_eventi/C_I_STW_2004/MandelloRacingTeam/images/MAS12anteprima.jpg
http://www.guzzisti.it/saloni_eventi/C_I_STW_2004/MandelloRacingTeam/images/cilindrosin.jpg

Big bore, water cooled, anyone? HOTT
http://www.guzzisti.it/moto/prototipi/big_bore/images/trequarti.jpg
http://www.guzzisti.it/moto/prototipi/big_bore/images/lato.jpg

http://www.bigbore.it/

The MGS-01 is my dream bike, more so than the DesmoRR, it seriouslly kicks that much ass
http://www.supertwins.it/dettagliogara.php?sel_camp=stw&gara=g1&turno=d
what would you guys do without me? but it appears Guzzi tries to go 4v and water cooled they just don't have the backing. Sound familiar?

one_half_wuff
08-18-2007, 02:10 AM
SOME ppl have converted a V11 sport to a MGS-01 with a new swingarm and body kit but mostly in crazy germany as it cost almost as much as a V11 to do it.

and to all you nay sayers. what you mean they no liquid cool? you crazy, look at dis!
http://www.guzzisti.it/saloni_eventi/C_I_STW_2004/MandelloRacingTeam/images/MAS12anteprima.jpg
http://www.guzzisti.it/saloni_eventi/C_I_STW_2004/MandelloRacingTeam/images/cilindrosin.jpg

Big bore, water cooled, anyone? HOTT
http://www.guzzisti.it/moto/prototipi/big_bore/images/trequarti.jpg
http://www.guzzisti.it/moto/prototipi/big_bore/images/lato.jpg

http://www.bigbore.it/

The MGS-01 is my dream bike, more so than the DesmoRR, it seriouslly kicks that much ass
http://www.supertwins.it/dettagliogara.php?sel_camp=stw&gara=g1&turno=d
what would you guys do without me? but it appears Guzzi tries to go 4v and water cooled they just don't have the backing. Sound familiar?

DeBenGuzzi:

Those are truly breath taking but cost as much as the GNP of a small third world country.

I do love the way the cylinders stick out, always have. I just wish they would make something a little more hard core. I don't mind paying a 1098 price for reasonable performance and handlng.

Thanks again for the picts. Wuff

vato loco
08-18-2007, 06:50 PM
I know people have done fine with air cooled bikes over many miles and many years, but aren't they kinda hot to ride?

They still look cool as shit.:)



No. My Falco feels hotter than my Guzzi Sport ever did. Bikes w/fairings tend to trap a bit more heat than those without, which in turn is felt by the rider.

Those air-cooled mounts have other uses, too -- Whenever safe, on cold days I'd put my hand on the Guzzi valve cover for some warmth...

DeBenGuzzi
08-18-2007, 09:15 PM
No. My Falco feels hotter than my Guzzi Sport ever did. Bikes w/fairings tend to trap a bit more heat than those without, which in turn is felt by the rider.

Those air-cooled mounts have other uses, too -- Whenever safe, on cold days I'd put my hand on the Guzzi valve cover for some warmth...

Haha, SAME HERE, its amazing how little heat I actually feel on the goose compared to other mounts, and everyone asks, wow that bike must burn your knee's off and I'm like nope, don't feel a thing :D NOW if I touch my knee on the engine gettin off the bike THAT is another story

one_half_wuff
08-18-2007, 10:25 PM
Those air-cooled mounts have other uses, too -- Whenever safe, on cold days I'd put my hand on the Guzzi valve cover for some warmth...

:plus: Amen to that. Back some years ago I had an 850 LeMans and was living in Dallas and needed to go to the Guzzi dealer in Ft Worth. It was in the mid 20's but dry and I wanted to ride. It was about 80 miles round trip and by the time I got back I was trying to get as much of me as possible behind those cylinders. Admittedly the R100RSs were very good for that sort of thing but didn't hold a candle to the Guzzi in the handling dept.

I'm showing my age here but does anybody remember Mark I Motorcycles on Riverside Drive in Ft. Worth???

Later, Wuff

JohnG.
08-19-2007, 04:03 PM
Wuff,
'Get a norge...they keep ya warm...;):burnout:
But,seriously I think Piaggio might want a little
return on its investment...so expect future models
to be more mainsteam...

one_half_wuff
08-20-2007, 04:20 PM
Wuff,
'Get a norge...they keep ya warm...;):burnout:
But,seriously I think Piaggio might want a little
return on its investment...so expect future models
to be more mainsteam...

Like the looks of the Norge, a Y2K version of the old R100RS. But I'm still dreaming about something that looks like the #88 above. It doesn't have to be the fastest thing on the block. I'm thinking that 100hp and about 475lbs wet should be entertaining enough. However it's got to have that Guzzi character. I liked the V11's but they were just too heavy.

Main stream is good, nothing wrong with that but that's not what Guzzi has survived on all these years and they are not going to be able to compete with Harley or the Japanese.

Here's a thought; if emissions eventually force Guzzi to liquid cooling how about a V6 after all they used to build V8's? Just thinking out loud.

later,
Wuff

JohnG.
08-21-2007, 12:18 AM
Like the looks of the Norge, a Y2K version of the old R100RS. But I'm still dreaming about something that looks like the #88 above. It doesn't have to be the fastest thing on the block. I'm thinking that 100hp and about 475lbs wet should be entertaining enough. However it's got to have that Guzzi character. I liked the V11's but they were just too heavy.

Main stream is good, nothing wrong with that but that's not what Guzzi has survived on all these years and they are not going to be able to compete with Harley or the Japanese.

Here's a thought; if emissions eventually force Guzzi to liquid cooling how about a V6 after all they used to build V8's? Just thinking out loud.

later,
Wuff

the new 1200 '8valve' should please you....108HP:happy:
BTW,How about v4 based on the new motor...classic tourer styling....photoshop anyone...:bangwall:

DeBenGuzzi
08-21-2007, 05:29 PM
Here's a thought; if emissions eventually force Guzzi to liquid cooling how about a V6 after all they used to build V8's? Just thinking out loud.
Wuff
There already is a V8 out there they could just refine or improve and get a new v8 guzzi with minimal effort, I heard the designer had something to do with the original guzzi v8 or it was based off the original guzzi v8 but its a italain v8 and only a 850, looks nice too. 120hp 60ft lbs for a 850, not bad
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery%20%20A/Morbideli%20V8%2098%20%202.jpg
Morbidelli V8 (http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/Morbideli/morbidelli_v8%2098.htm)

OZSLR
08-21-2007, 06:40 PM
Here's my girl, which I got onto off a Tuono (not originally by choice as it was written off).

It's a Breva 1100, with Sport 1200 fairing, risers, Tuono Bars and a custom pipe off the exhaust collector box.

It's a sweet handler, enough performance for the road, good for scratching in the hills or 1000K days, great 2 up, hard luggage, and is different from moet out there.

I think Guzzi are doing a great job !

DeBenGuzzi
08-21-2007, 07:19 PM
thats not so much as an exhaust as a pipe, that must sound like the devil himself is coming out the back of your bike. Where did you get such a thing? hard to tune it?

OZSLR
08-21-2007, 07:47 PM
thats not so much as an exhaust as a pipe, that must sound like the devil himself is coming out the back of your bike. Where did you get such a thing? hard to tune it?

Actually it's not as loud as you think. The Breva 1100 runs a collector box which also contains the catalyst and oxygen sensor, and as such provides a level of muffling. The Sport1200 and Norge don't run this setup. The pipe you see, I hade made by a local exhaust maker based on an idea I had, wanting to show off the single sided swingarm, and to be a little different.

The standard pipe/collector was so restrictive that this change has given it a much better midrange, and there was no need for "tuning as such.

The bike is quieter than the Tuono I had with the factory akro, and my previous mount, an SLFalco with the carbon cans.

DeBenGuzzi
08-21-2007, 08:15 PM
good god, if I put that pipe on my V11 sport it would sound like a well a bike with straight pipes as I've replaced the cross/over collector you speak of with a straight through x-over. I've heard them with no cans just a crossover and it sounds like a harley with straights(almost) I do like the quat-D race "box" I like your solution but you could have gone with this...
http://www.guzzisti.it/saloni_eventi/C_I_Naked_2003/Mugello/images/special_lato.jpg

http://www.scripps.edu/~dlaing/v11s/images/furias.jpg
I considered buying this blue one when I was looking but got a sweet deal localy.
I hear you lose topend up get a good punch downlow and mid.

FUN DOG
08-22-2007, 09:08 AM
Here's my girl, which I got onto off a Tuono (not originally by choice as it was written off).

It's a Breva 1100, with Sport 1200 fairing, risers, Tuono Bars and a custom pipe off the exhaust collector box.

It's a sweet handler, enough performance for the road, good for scratching in the hills or 1000K days, great 2 up, hard luggage, and is different from moet out there.

I think Guzzi are doing a great job !

That's a nice bike.

one_half_wuff
08-28-2007, 04:39 PM
DeBenGuzzi: That blue bike is absolutely gorgeous, but I think the race "box" exhaust would take a little getting used to from a styling prospective.

Wuff


good god, if I put that pipe on my V11 sport it would sound like a well a bike with straight pipes as I've replaced the cross/over collector you speak of with a straight through x-over. I've heard them with no cans just a crossover and it sounds like a harley with straights(almost) I do like the quat-D race "box" I like your solution but you could have gone with this...

http://www.scripps.edu/~dlaing/v11s/images/furias.jpg
I considered buying this blue one when I was looking but got a sweet deal localy.
I hear you lose topend up get a good punch downlow and mid.

juicer
12-11-2007, 12:17 AM
When i couldn't buy an MGS-01 in 05, i got this instead

The Ghezzi-Brian guys built some awesome stuff until Guzzi stopped selling them engines. Guess they made the factory look like the lame-asses they truly were/ are. The Ghezzi is one of the best bikes i have owned, one that makes you smile every time you ride.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DoWCiJij4y4

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CppH7cF8flc