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DonFanatico

07-23-2007, 01:19 PM

Here it goes...let's have a Pegaso tyre thread.

Please post your experiences...specify model and year of Peg and if possible link where you bought them from...also it would be good to know whether they are better or worse than the OE Pirelli Diablos, whether off road , road or racing etc.

Post away:cheers: :burnout:

athelstan

07-23-2007, 01:29 PM

Any comparisons with the OE Pirelli Scorpions fitted to the Trail would also be helpful. As yet I can't help as mine still have plenty of meat on them.

Clotted Cream

07-23-2007, 01:40 PM

Yes, I'd be interested if anybody has any experience of the Conti Escape or the TKC-80's.

Kev

PetrolHead

07-23-2007, 03:46 PM

Apologies in advance for asking such a basic question, but do you go to a dealer (local bike shop?) to have your tyres changed or do you change them yourselves?? I ask as I hear of a lot of bikers who order their tyres off the internet.

If you do fit yourself, how do you balance your wheels? I assume trail is easier to replace yourself as it has inner tubes, in comparison wher you should use a sealing compound on the strada with the alloy wheels!?

Am on original tyres myself also, about 1300 miles... could people add what mileage they've had out the tyres and how much they've paid for new.

DonFanatico

07-23-2007, 04:01 PM

I too am on my OEMs still with zero miles due to broken leg :bangwall:

From what I gather online Conti Sport attacks I saw for about 150£ for a pair deal and fitting is about 30£,,,IMHO I wouldn't bother firting them myself as it would involve buyng other tools etc. etc

g-man

07-23-2007, 04:09 PM

It's frustrating as i cant post exact prices etc for my deal on the net, but if you get a price for the Sport Attacks on the net and go and talk to your local bike tyre supplier i'm sure he'd do you a deal. I understand there is quite a bit of margin to play with on these. :)

Also, i took the wheels into him off the bike. Saves a bit of time and cash.

keithc

07-23-2007, 06:07 PM

Looking at my rear tyre yesterday, while lubing my rear chain and I noticed it might not have long left before it needes replacement. At 2800 miles I reckon less than 1000 miles left. Doubt if it will get replaced with the same make of model of tyre as I dont rate the perelli's at all. Didnt like the MT60 corsas my last bike came with either.
I think maybe a set of Avon ST Storms might go on. I run one of these on teh rear of my MZ Baghira for a wetter rides and it seems fine. It is also a bit wider than standard. Even though Avon say its a 160, it measures at nearly 170mm wide.
Might go for Conti SM's if I can get them cheap enough. Also depending on price I might fit an Avon Pro extreme rain on teh front and a Distanza on the rear. Nice tyres, well grippy in all conditions and loads of feedback to.

Keith

DonFanatico

07-23-2007, 08:51 PM

I think maybe a set of Avon ST Storms might go on. I run one of these on teh rear of my MZ Baghira for a wetter rides and it seems fine. It is also a bit wider than standard. Even though Avon say its a 160, it measures at nearly 170mm wide.
Keith

:plus:

I'm thinking these http://www.avon-tyres.co.uk/motorcycle/?page=tyres&method=showtyre&id=25 as well for my next tyres.

What's the pricing for them roughly?

DonFanatico

07-23-2007, 09:21 PM

both mailorder and drive in

http://www.fwr.co.uk/

alunj

07-24-2007, 04:40 AM

Im looking at the metzler Z6 or the M3 (m3 has had great reviews but only lasts about 2-3k miles the Z6 is supposed to be good for 6-7). We will see as I have 1k so far and the diablo is looking fine.
Local tyre fitter has had lots of issues with the conti attaks. Directional arrow printed the wrong way round !!!! :WTF: and cracks all around the circumference :eek:

AberdeenAngus

07-24-2007, 04:40 AM

.... I assume trail is easier to replace yourself as it has inner tubes, ..................

Is that right ??

I have a Trail. I thought they were tubeless.

I know this is going to generate huge guffaws at the noobies ignorance but....wait for it......get ready to laugh......how can you tell what's fitted (without taking the tyre off )..........ok laugh now !

:funnypost:

PetrolHead

07-24-2007, 04:52 AM

This is purely an educated guess, but if its tubeless you should see a seal around the valve where it penetrates the rim. The spokes penetrating the rim would cause a nice air flow path also unless its dealt with inside the rim... only an alloy/non-spoke wheel could be tubeless... just my 2p worth!

AberdeenAngus

07-24-2007, 05:15 AM

I guess if I loosen the locknut I should be able to waggle the valve if it's tubed !

But, the spokes pretty much make it a no-brainer......DOH !

Sorry.....still drunk from the last rally :cheers:

g-man

07-24-2007, 05:20 AM

Local tyre fitter has had lots of issues with the conti attaks. Directional arrow printed the wrong way round !!!! :WTF: and cracks all around the circumference :eek:

There's a bit on the Conti site about the early tyres having the arrow printed the wrong way. But my Diablo cracked badly round the front sidewall too. Think its down to how long the tyre has been lying before to gets fitted a bike.

AberdeenAngus

07-24-2007, 05:35 AM

What are everyone's top tips for removing wheels with only a side stand ???

obijohnkenobe

07-24-2007, 05:55 AM

Just a bit of useless info, but wheels having spokes does not by itself indicate a tubed tyre. My old Honda SL230 (grey import) had a spoked, but tubeless rear wheel/tyre as standard. Don't know how they did it, but there you go.

AberdeenAngus

07-24-2007, 06:10 AM

Hmmmm the plot thickens !

Did the spokes go through the rim or through a lug on the rim ??

keithc

07-24-2007, 07:17 AM

BMW and I think the Aprilia Campernord have spoked wheels with tubless tyres. I think they achive this by the spokes exiting the rim on its edge.

Keith

DonFanatico

07-24-2007, 09:17 AM

Doesn't it say on the sidewall of the tyre whether it's either way?

Elvis

07-24-2007, 05:17 PM

Doesn't it say on the sidewall of the tyre whether it's either way?

Most of the tubeless tires can ran with a tube in them.
as writen above by keithc there is spoked wheels with tubelees tires.

Panda

07-25-2007, 03:08 AM

I've run tubes in tubeless tyres as a temporary puncture repair, but there can apparently be problems with running a tube in a tubeless tyres down to the tyree construction and heat build up.

V Stromer

07-25-2007, 07:14 AM

I've run tubes in tubeless tyres as a temporary puncture repair, but there can apparently be problems with running a tube in a tubeless tyres down to the tyree construction and heat build up.

Works good in the Pegaso factory, i do not belive they (Aprilia) will
put a tube in a tubeless tire if it was unsafe.

I read some where that as long as you change the tube every time you change the tire all will work fine.

V Stromer

07-25-2007, 07:17 AM

Works good in the Pegaso factory, i do not belive they (Aprilia) will
put a tube in a tubeless tire if it was unsafe.

I read some where that as long as you change the tube every time you change the tire all will work fine.

That was me, Elvis do not why the computer at work still keeping my old nick

obijohnkenobe

07-25-2007, 08:21 AM

Regarding my post on "spoked and tubeless", I looked at some pics of my old Honda SL230 and the alloy rim had cast lugs that held the spokes, so that explains how they did that. Just for interest, my SL230 was not a half bad bike. Enduro style, not a million miles away from my Peg Tail in some respects (!?!) Very unique (never saw another on the road), and in 3 years and 20k miles it never once missed a beat.

I wanted to replace because of the mileage and impending work looming-up to maintain it (clutch, brakes, tyres). I liked the "sit up" style of the 230, but it is a physically small bike, was under-powered (lucky to see over 70mph), had a tiny tank and fairly thin seat. The Peg seemed to answer all these things even though I would still like an even bigger tank range (we all hate having to fill-up, I'm sure). Its a damn site more fun as well!!

I hope the Peg proves as reliable as the Honda.

keithc

07-25-2007, 08:26 AM

Some tubless tyres are unsuitable for running with tubes in. Normally it will be found in the catalouges, that they do a tubless and a tubed version of the same tyre.
I was told some time ago that this is in the main due to the moulding in the inside of the tyre. A rough finnish can chaf the tube and eventually cause tube failure.
Could be wrong of course.

Keith

pegasobaz

07-25-2007, 02:53 PM

My mate had an SL230 at the time I had my Vigor SL650, we took them both to Belgium to a see a bike show, I can verify that 70mph is about flat out.On returning home it was geared down a tooth at the front and it was transformed. On the subject of wheels, Beta trials bikes have used the flanged rim idea since about 1992ish to allow tubeless rear tyres, It's still used today by Honda/Montesa

g-man

07-30-2007, 08:42 AM

Back to the thread. I done 130 miles today all of them on twisty b roads. These Continental Sport Attacks are something else. I just cannot get over how much grip the bike has. Even when getting too excited and running it in a bit hot and trailing a bit of front brake it was perfect. No movement at all. I was even trying stupid things like on a 180 deg 2nd gear right, bike banked right over i just cracked it open. The Diablo's would move around a bit, these just gripped and launched the bike forward. It was like hitting a berm on a motocross bike and getting ejected out the turn. :) :) :)

Will someone else please buy these tyres to see how great the are. :happy: :cheers:

DonFanatico

08-11-2007, 12:07 AM

g-man

08-11-2007, 03:59 AM

Rodrigo's your man for the Trail. He's tried a few different tyres from what i can remember

AberdeenAngus

08-11-2007, 04:47 AM

Right then....definitive answer please from someonewho has had the original tyes off their Trail.
Are they tubed or tubeless ?

athelstan

08-11-2007, 10:03 AM

The original Pirelli Scorpion tyres on the trail are tubes in tubeless tyres!

The actual wording on the tyre is

Tubeless
On Tube Type Rim
Fit a Tube

athelstan

08-11-2007, 10:58 AM

I've noticed another strange thing on the Pirelli Scorpions on the Trail. On the right hand side (sitting on the bike) the direction of travel arrows printed on the tyre go the correct way whilst on the left they point backwards. Is this OK or am I being thick ?

keithc

08-11-2007, 12:26 PM

This is probabbly indicating the rotation of the tyres for front or rear fitment.
As for tyre fitment, I have just had the following tyres fitted to my Strada
Front 120/70-17 Avon Pro-extreme rain.
Rear 150/70-17 Avon Storm. (150 not a 160 was recommended by my tyre fitter)
They seem to be giving good feedback and levels of grip. The vaugness I had before seem to have gone so I will see how these tyre behave.

Keith

AberdeenAngus

08-11-2007, 05:02 PM

The original Pirelli Scorpion tyres on the trail are tubes in tubeless tyres!

The actual wording on the tyre is

Tubeless
On Tube Type Rim
Fit a Tube

OK...makes sense.
So its going to be worst of both worlds. Tubed so you have to take the tyre off. Tubeless tyre so taking it off is going to be a pig !
Don't like the stuff but i think a can of Tyre Weld might be in order.

Has anyone removed a Scorpion tyre "in the wild" ???

obijohnkenobe

08-15-2007, 05:46 AM

Just picking up on the "Conti" tyres.....

I have no experience of these on the Peg, but I fitted conti ESCAPES on my SL230 and they were just great (they are similar to the Scorpions on the Trail I think). Good feedback and confidence (especially after having to cope with full knobblies!), looked fine on a trail-style bike and not so expensive either. Definately a road-bias and would not want to go off-road on them. Did over 5k on them before the rear showed signs of needing replacement (but the 230 was not a powerful bike). Will certainly consider these when my pirellis wear out on my Trail, unless someone out there has any horror stories about them.

rodrigo

08-16-2007, 04:02 AM

Rodrigo's your man for the Trail. He's tried a few different tyres from what i can remember

Yeah, so far I've tried 3 tyres:
* Original Pirellis -> I changed them at 17000 kms, but I still have them in the garage, since I think I can still do 1 or 2 thousand (or even more) kms with them.

* Mitas E-09 -> Perfect for doing off-road, acceptable on road, although they lasted "only" 9000 kms, I guess because going on road with them degradates them quicker.

* Mitas E-07 -> The ones I have now (2000 kms so far), a bit worst off-road than the E-09 but 100s of times better than the Pirelli's, and they are quite good on road (I would say I see no difference between them and the Pirelli's on the road). These are probably the ones I will be wearing from now on.

I had been looking also at other tyres, which I haven't tried so far, but they were either too on-road (like the Dunlop Trailmax) or not available for our bike (enduro tyres are usually for 21" rear wheels, ours is 19", thus the small number of choices if you want off-road tyres).

keithc

08-19-2007, 05:31 PM

Had a new Goldspeed cut slick delived last week to match the rear on my MZ.
Verdict, well I couldent push things to much as was drizzling a bit, so the roads were slightly damp. But they gripped really well.
For pictures of these tyres see this link
http://www.aaa-racing.com/products.asp?category=S%2FM+Tyres&subcategory=Pre%2DCut+Slicks
I have the ones pictured in the top two photos on this page.

Keith

RobinKTM

01-23-2008, 03:51 PM

Ok I just relised that I do have something of interest that I could share with all, my rear tyre..

When I bought the bike it was fitted with the Diablo that comes as standard. It wasn't in bad shape which makes me think it was prob the second tyre fitted to the bike, at 5500miles that was. However a week on the west coast of Ireland soon sorted that, and I decided to fit a Conti Road Attack. At £85 fitted it sounded cheap although I never looked around for price?

The tyre has totally changed the handling - for the better! Far more stable, doesnt dive into corners which makes me feel more comfortable, especially 2 up. And the amount of tread is ridiculous! Remains to be seen but looks like it will last forever! Loads of grip, even tonight in the rain on crappy winter roads, so a big thumbs up if anybody needs a new tyre!

keithc

01-23-2008, 04:15 PM

Quick report on the Avon tyres I had fitted. The original rear tyre was shot at 3100 miles and there wasn't much left on te front either. Pretty bad for tyres that I didn't rate much.
The Avon tyres have performed faultlessly, especially considering they have been used over winter on muddy lanes as well.
After 4200 miles the rear still has about 3mm of tread left with the front about a third to a half worn.
The flatter profile given by a 150 section tyre compared to the standard 160 section seems to work well.
I really like this tyre combination for all weather use and would recommend them.

Keith

spanners

01-24-2008, 03:26 AM

i changed the original tyres as the front one had cracks on the side wall,meant to follow that up but never did,fitted michelin road pilot 2,very good will also be fitting to my xt,as for fitting after you have fitted knobblies road tyres are easy

Clotted Cream

01-27-2008, 04:11 PM

scorpio

01-30-2008, 08:26 AM

Anybody tried Metzeler Tourance on their trail? Look road biased but I would not take mine truely off road, possible light trail.

Kev
UPDATE- just been scanning through my back copies of ride. This tyre won the best tyre out of all the tyres on the road in a very recent survey in ride.

They are actually factory fitments for Yamaha XT660R. I met a guy with XT660R and Tourance who is doing a lot of trail driving and he says that are quite OK. However slightly better then Pirelli Scorpion

scorpio

01-30-2008, 08:28 AM

Anybody tried Pirelli MT60?

Frodo

01-30-2008, 01:14 PM

I had Anakees on my F650 and was very happy with on-road behaviour, especially in the wet (silica compound). The view at f650.com is that these are better than the Tourance but wear quicker, although I was very happy with wear rates on mine (over 15,000km front and rear).

I'm looking at something more gravel focused and will probably go with the Mitas EO7 to replace the Scorpions.

oz-strom

01-30-2008, 05:22 PM

:plus: for the Anakees - had them on my weestrom (2 sets) and they were good road tyre and reasonable on dirt/gravel, but not a true off-road tyre. I only got 10k kms out of a set though, but thought that was pretty good.

I currently use Mitas EO9s for adventure/dirt riding, and swap back to the scorpions for commuting. However, if I don't end up getting a second set of wheels to run road tyres (cost prohibitive), I will probably try the Mitas EO7s or Conti Escapes as all-rounders.
:aussie:

klpegaso

06-30-2009, 08:54 AM

Here are other posts relating to tyres. Hope it helps.

http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181369
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=180491
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181929
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=180858
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174716
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169666
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169498
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168131
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161857
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162499
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161858
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161683
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161881
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=160595
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139691
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137085
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138298
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130467
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125942
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126160
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125053
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121297
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116389
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114699
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112196
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107100

Fliptoplid

07-01-2009, 04:17 AM

Elvis

07-01-2009, 12:47 PM

Advice please?
I'm still running my Strada on the original Pirelli Diablos and (apart from the lack of stickiness) am not v happy with the way they seem to follow even the tiniest cracks and lines in the road. I'm I right to think this'll improve if I change the tyres and that it's not a characteristic of the bike? Or would reducing the typre pressure fix it?
Fliptop

Diablos are OK a specially when looking at how much they cost (the H version)
tracking cracks are more or less at all sport tyres.
I have now the Metzler M3 and it is very noticeable how the front is planted in the road compared to the diablos.

my next tyre will be avon distanzia SM, these tyres supposed to run over any surface with no problems.

BTW when i looked at new tyres every manufacture i wrote to said that the 120 front tyre is manufactured to 3.5 rim (strada have 110 tyre) 110 will fit ok but the shape will not be exactly as they planed it to.

M3 in action :)
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3620/img2909k.jpg

abarth

07-01-2009, 12:54 PM

After 10k km with original Diablo bought Scorpion Sync with 120 front. Much more grip and better white stripes stability. :burnout:

Fliptoplid

07-01-2009, 05:31 PM

Good food for thought thx guys
Fliptop

mouse

07-02-2009, 05:30 AM

I've just fitted Michellin Road Pilot 2's not cheap but heaps better than my old Diablos (which were dead!) and I haven't even broken them in fully yet :)

spanners

07-02-2009, 08:58 AM

I've just fitted Michellin Road Pilot 2's not cheap but heaps better than my old Diablos (which were dead!) and I haven't even broken them in fully yet :)

on my 2nd set of these,like them,wore the sides before the middle,so will not shy away from the odd straight this time

keithc

07-02-2009, 02:57 PM

Hated the original tyres on my strada, fitted wither Avon Storm or Distanza to the rear and Avon Pro Etreme rai tot eh front and they ttransformed the bike fro me. I hated the bike with the original tyres so much I nearly sold it after 2000 miles.

Keith C

geonapa

10-19-2009, 02:24 PM

Elvis

10-19-2009, 02:35 PM

There's a bit on the Conti site about the early tyres having the arrow printed the wrong way. But my Diablo cracked badly round the front sidewall too. Think its down to how long the tyre has been lying before to gets fitted a bike.

almost all diablos have this crack, Pirelli claimed it is part of the casting process and there is no danger riding with them, at least this is what they told my dealer.

Elvis

10-19-2009, 02:41 PM

I am not the rider that runs straights, but when i move between towns i use the highway, where even little turns are like straights.
Anyway, the METZELERS Sportec M-1 are now at around 1000km and already started to square. I hate those tyres, but as stated by you guys, those tyres are old tech.

So i guess, soon i will need to change them to something that wont square easily. Any recommendations?:bump:

on the Pegaso i had only the diablo and now Metzler M3 but according tests i saw the new Dunlop road smart and the Pirelli angel ST are good combination between performance and longevity

Bruder Boy

10-20-2009, 02:17 AM

Just did a 12,000km trip through central Australia on my Peg Trail and I ran Mitas E09 Dakars. They were fantastic in the rough and loose stuff as well as the sand (if anything is great in sand). The bitumen wore them pretty hard though as they are fairly soft, but although nobby handle the corners great on the bitumen.

Nearly worn out now so am looking for more road oriented tyres, have though of the Anakees or Anakees 2, what do others recommend.

scorpio

10-26-2009, 02:23 PM

Does anyone know what the inner tube numbers mean? I have new Conti TKC80 tires for my Trail but without inner tubes. So i would like to buy a pair of tubes but i don't know what dimension. How to choose the wright inner tube?

Bruder Boy

10-27-2009, 03:11 AM

Hi Scorpio,
When I did my trip I put extra heavy duty inner tubes in (to avoid punctures) and used tough tyres (no punctures).

Size wise you'll need tubes that fit the tyres, so go for the same sizing as on the tyres. You'll probably have 130/80s 17 on the back and 100/90s 19 on the front or at least something close to this. Your tubes should fit the rim size and width of your tyres.

fedro69

12-18-2009, 04:23 PM

If I may this ones will be my next Tyres, for Winter:
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9332/k73front118k.jpg http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9637/k73rear103k.jpg
Heidenau K73

then in springtime i hope i can mount my actually favorites:
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3389/ssuf.gif http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5106/ssur.gif
Goldspeed Street Sport Ultra :worship::worship::worship:
I believe I'm in love!:bump:

Elvis

12-19-2009, 01:38 AM

fedro69

12-19-2009, 06:00 AM

I'm not:
next Year I will probabily have only WE-minitours...
and so i will performance, not durability ;-)

asafe

12-29-2009, 05:43 AM

Hey,

I Didn't like the Oem ones.
Felt loose and I had grip problems on road and in wet conditions, serious problems.

I ride the Peg. Trail Btw.

I Now use the Conti Trail Attack and I am very very Happy about them,
Great Grip and handling.

Elvis

12-29-2009, 08:16 AM

I'm not:
next Year I will probabily have only WE-minitours...
and so i will performance, not durability ;-)

Love the look of the goldspeed, how much they cost? i hope they last enough for you to enjoy them :burnout:, do not forget to report back.

oz-strom

12-29-2009, 10:47 PM

I have just bought a pair of the new Pirelli Scorpion Trails to use as road tyres, with the odd bit of dirt. Swap to Mitas EO9s when I do more serious dirt work.

http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchives/2009/Pirelli/PIRELLI_SCORPION_TRAIL.htm

I think the new Ducati Multistrada has them as original fitment.

abarth

12-31-2009, 07:34 AM

Multistrada uses Scorpion Sync. I had them on my strada and very happy with them.

vitaminz

03-23-2010, 10:35 AM

i am using Bridgestone BT-021 for both front and rear (total cost £175)on my Strada, very satisfied.

http://www.firefoxracing.co.uk/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/BT021_Paar.jpg

fedro69

03-23-2010, 11:18 AM

First report for the Heidenau K73:
for winter they're really good!
from first meter they have very good grip even by pretty cold (tested till -7 Celsius),
on wet they're good too, better than the good old Metzs.
all together they're similar to the Metzeler Z6, but they are warm "from start on" and not after 10-15 Kms
like the Metzs needed in similar weather situation;
On dry and till +15 Celsius they are ever really good, just with the setup is difficult:
on hard breaking (like from 150 km/h to 50 km/h as soon as possible) the rear "dances";
he's not jumping, nothing like a rodeo, but a simple sliding:
if you know it you can have fun with! ;-)
I don't know yet if there's a mealty problem or a suspension setting problem,
but i'll investigate till i'll dig it!
they reacts pretty sensible on change of pressure too...
now i ride with 2.2 Bar on the front and 2.4 Bar on the rear, under 0 was 2.0 and 2.2 .
At this price (just to not forget: 140 euro both!) i think they're a good Tip for the cold/wet seasons
(in Hamburg it means from October till April-May LOL )
I'll try to omologate them next week (the Strada can have only 120/65, not 120/70 on the front)...

Don R.

03-24-2010, 02:49 PM

Well, took the Peg with a new pair of Goldspeed Street Sport Ultras out to work today (sunny day, finally....) and the first feeling was twitchy steering, but got used to it quickly and started to feel confident with them after just a few miles.
Yes, grip definately as improved a lot (I suppose thread life will be less too) because of the softer compound. Especially when you adapt a "ride it like you stole it" style it's great fun with these tyres, looking forward to any sharp turn up ahead.
Haven't felt instability on highway speeds around 130 km/h, but these tyres are not autobahnburners. They like the twisties and then you only want to dive in and roll on te throttle as soon as you can at lean angle, so much more confident than with the hardened Diablos.
"No handers" are less secure (easily off the straight line) because of the tyre shape.

So far I really like them but I hate to take them out on the 4 lane highway too much. It will surely make them square quicker than real touring tyres.

PetrolHead

03-24-2010, 04:00 PM

Those bridgestones do look good; also from the ones above these look great also:

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt84/uniquemotor4/pilotroad2.jpg

http://www.avon-tyres.co.uk/sites/default/files/tyre-large/VP2_Sport.png?1234537670

http://img.moto22.com/2009/05/pirelli_angel_st_02.jpg

mouse

03-24-2010, 06:21 PM

i've got the road pilot 2s and they're great. little slippy in the wet but that's expected and amazing in the dry - bring on summer!

freco

03-25-2010, 02:33 PM

Does anybody use these Bridgestone BT 090?
I 've been told that they are very good for the Greek conditions and road types.

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd153/anthonyjcrocks/MotoLas-Battlax_BT-09020Front-rear.jpg

geonapa

05-15-2010, 02:53 PM

Friends,
it is time for a Tyre change.
The question is....Which one?
I am looking for high mileage in straights.
i am considering:

Bridgstone BT-021
Pirelli Angel ST
Metzeler Roadtec Z6 Interact

Any opinions?

mouse

05-16-2010, 09:15 AM

Just to make it harder I'd still recommend the Michelin Pilot Road 2's which are 2 compound tyres and so run well on long straights. So much fun in corners as well! :)

chipo

05-16-2010, 12:09 PM

I have dunlop roadsmarts. Best tyre ever...

PetrolHead

05-16-2010, 02:49 PM

anyone put the Michelins on a peg trail?

tom-cat

05-16-2010, 03:16 PM

They need to change the wheels first. PR2's aren't available in 19" size.

sanddweller

05-18-2010, 09:14 AM

Having to get a new set, and after reading advice on various sites, I decided to go with a set of Michellin Anakee 2's. First impressions after just 10 days, are these give a really nice ride. Not had any chance in the wet yet tho, but a good ride over Mt Glorious and Northbrook Parkway on Saturday (http://motorcycleparadise.blogspot.com/2006/07/great-bike-roads-5.html). (some nice twisty bends up/down the mountain, and some nice sweeping bends along the parkway). Very satisfied. :)

Update (1 month on). After a month of riding on these Anakees, I can highly recommend them. They have been excellent in all conditions. Dry & Wet road use including commuting (60-80km/h) and some sustained highway use to around 110km/h with a little above the limit to 150km/h, as well as a little Dry and Wet trail use too. :)

doml

09-13-2010, 02:51 PM

Have recently changed from the originals to a bridgestone BT14 on the front and BT23 on the rear. Massive difference compared to the originals even for a newbie like me. Front end feels far grippier plus they same far less affected by the rubbish tarmac (kent and surrey) where the surface layer has come off the road. Wet grip seems better too.

geonapa

01-12-2011, 01:24 PM

Just replaced Metzeler to Bridgestone BT23.
HUGE difference, supper grip and excellent sensitivity.

I used Bridgestone on my street before and now in Pegaso.

Highly recommended.

mouse

01-14-2011, 11:23 AM

sanddweller - does that sign say the road's not suitable for boats? i know there's a lot of water in qld atm but that's extreme sign posting it!

lord-flint

01-14-2011, 02:02 PM

Elvis

01-15-2011, 01:26 AM

I realise this may be heresy, but I'd like to put semi-knobbly or dual purpose tyres on my Peg (2008 Factory) - anybody tried?
I know the range of 17in front tyres is very limited but I'm not keen to have a new front wheel built. An alternative might be to find a 19in wheel that would fit. Any ideas? Thanks.

Avon Distanzia SM have some off road capabilities and the front is 17"
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4012/4189944231_34236906f6_o.jpg

lord-flint

01-21-2011, 06:59 AM

Avon Distanzia SM have some off road capabilities and the front is 17"

Thanks Elvis - have you done much off-road stuff?

Elvis

01-21-2011, 03:41 PM

Thanks Elvis - have you done much off-road stuff?

The picture is from the Internet so this is not my bike.
I always wanted the Avon distanzia SM (currently have the Avon VP2) but because i am a fan of the Alps every year i need to ride 1500 km round trip just to get there and it is on a long straight highway so i am afraid the SM compound will not hold much.
The distanzia SM is a great tire and it is the choice of most riders in XT660.com, i have some friends on KTMs that use it and they love it, they say that it handles good off road as long there is no mud and on the road the SM compound stick like glue, they also report good mileage (as long as you don't do high ways) of around 9000 km for the rear.

Any way in Germany it is almost impossible to ride offroad because in most places it is illegal.

lord-flint

01-23-2011, 03:19 PM

Elvis
Where I'm going not expecting much mud! (UK down through Spain to Morocco & back). I think I'll try the Distanzia as I haven't been able to find anything else, although not many places in the UK that resemble the sort of terrain we're expecting in Morocco. Thanks again for your help.

oz-strom

01-24-2011, 09:12 PM

I have the Pirelli Scorp Trails on my Peg Trail for commuting and tar stuff, and they are performing well. They handle dirt/gravel roads OK too. But I use knobbies on an 21/18 wheel set for serious dirt/offroad riding.

Frodo

01-25-2011, 01:55 AM

A friend put Conti TKC80s on the front and rear of his XTX660 for off road purposes. He was disappointed and bought a WR 450 and a KLR650.
A 19inch would be quite a lot better than a 17 inch in loose gravel and a 21 inch better still. Depends on how serious you want to go off road.

lord-flint

01-25-2011, 07:07 AM

Thanks for the advice guys. I've never been off road at all so its all new to me. Any idea what's involved in changing the front to a 19in? I guess alterations to the brake setup at least and mudguard/fender? The guys I'm going with on the trip (UK to Spain & Morocco and back) are all experienced off-roaders. The trip through Spain will be tarmac mainly and in Morocco I guess will be dirt tracks mostly with some tarmac and sand is optional. So my plan is to photo/video them while they play off piste!
cheers
Brian

Thepoolman

02-01-2011, 11:30 AM

Elvis

02-04-2011, 12:16 AM

hi guys talking of tyres just had mine replaced for another set of Diablos and the rear tyre went flat after 24 hours so he changed my valve now after 1 week it has lost pressure again ? i am also guessing my factory has tubeless seeing he replaced the valve without removing the tyre. now what can it be am getting effin annoyed with garage as this has been going on sinse Dec last year and have been getting excuses from him which is why its taking this long.

The factory have tubes inside although when i removed the tire i saw that all holes on the rim are closed but still you need a tube, i am guessing that if the tire was changed and the same tube was kept is that the tube needs to be changed.

Thepoolman

02-06-2011, 01:54 PM

thanks Elvis he has now replaced my inner tube on Friday 4th so lets see if this works, as i am looking forward to doing some riding this year a little further then 50 or so miles.

lord-flint

02-08-2011, 08:01 AM

The tyres on mine say Tubeless, but I assume there is an inner tube - anyway I'll find out soon as I've ordered new tyres - Pirelli MT60R Corsa (allegedly dual-sport).
Poolman - is that a pannier rack on your bike there - if so can you tell me where you got it? cheers

Elvis

02-08-2011, 11:00 AM

lord-flint

02-10-2011, 07:27 AM

I hope they last a bit more than 3,000km for me - our Spanish leg (round trip) is around that distance and then we gotta do Morocco!

Ge0rdie

02-14-2011, 02:58 PM

I always wanted the Avon distanzia SM (currently have the Avon VP2) but because i am a fan of the Alps every year i need to ride 1500 km round trip just to get there and it is on a long straight highway so i am afraid the SM compound will not hold much.
Elvis
I'm running Supercorsa SC2 track day tyres on my pegaso, and the grip is fantastic Highly reccomended. The rear is about half worn and has done 1500 miles / 2400km
My miles on this tyre were all done on a round trip of Scotland.

I don't reckon they wear as fast as on a bigger more powerful heavier bike. Give em a try.

Elvis

02-14-2011, 04:02 PM

Elvis
I'm running Supercorsa SC2 track day tyres on my pegaso, and the grip is fantastic Highly reccomended. The rear is about half worn and has done 1500 miles / 2400km
My miles on this tyre were all done on a round trip of Scotland.

I don't reckon they wear as fast as on a bigger more powerful heavier bike. Give em a try.

I gave a try to less sportier tires then the supercorsa and it didn't work, there is something in the German autobahns that wears the tires very fast, a track day tire will laterally melt on them after some hours ride on a straight road even if you keep it steady at 140 kmh.
Until now the VP2 is not bad and take the beating of the highway well.
my goal is 10,000 km for the rear less then that is too soon for me

Ge0rdie

02-17-2011, 02:56 AM

The thing on the Autobahn that kills em is your cruising speed:devil: :worship:

10,000Km on a rear? I regularly get that on my BMW with a Metz Tourance.

And I got same out of a Michelin Pilot Road 2CT on my Speed triple too. Try them? Still grippy enough for knee down:peace: and last for ages:banana:

Don R.

04-15-2011, 02:28 PM

Goldspeed Street Sport Ultra: as expected they square off quickly at Autobahn and straight line road use. That's too bad. It's really not a tire for commuting except when you go to work over twisty roads. Anybody who's ever been to The Netherlands knows that in some areas you have to look for turns in roads. Not too bad around my place but still not enough to avoid fast squaring off.

Gripwise and handlingwise they're awesome, if you want to blast around the twisties: these are the tires you want. But if you ride in straight line more than at lean angle they're not the choice I would recommend.

I might give Michelins 2CT a shot if they keep up with their promises. Does anybody have some experience with those on a Strada? If yes: which 2CT you have and do they really keep their round form a little longer?

So I'm not dissapointed about the Goldspeeds, but they're just not the right tires for my purpose. The Strada is my hop-on bike, blast into town to save time looking for parking space and for short trips and errands.
If I'd live elsewhere where's a lot f twisties you can round them off again I definately would fit them again.

:peace:

fedro69

04-16-2011, 02:46 AM

I've got the MIchelin Pilot Road 2CT last Year, in Juny, and I'm very happy with.
I ride most in the city, 250 km/Week, and they are ever most round downthere ;-) ... they see pretty new :o
At the end of May I'm in Italy for my yearly turns-overdosis :devil::peace::devil:
3500 Kms in a Week on the Appennins!!
Then I'll have something more to say about the tyres ;-)
In Italy the tip for the Strada are the Dunlop RoadSmart:
they last long and are very good on wet like on dry ...

Ge0rdie

06-09-2011, 09:31 AM

I've got Michelin Power Pure's on my Pegaso now.

They're good dead grippy and wearing incredibly well

rictus

05-16-2012, 06:19 AM

so as not to start a new thread, the bike came with Bridgestone 020's on, they are a little vague and the back one nearly gone anyway, I tend to do a lot of miles and can't see that changing anytime soon, so come replacement time I'm thinking to use what I have on my other bikes; and that is Avon storm ultra's, I've had them on a speed triple,speed four, superduke and an SV, normally manage about 10k miles for a rear.

Just wondering if anyone has had the Avons fitted and their thoughts ?

Cheers Mark.

Antrats73

05-16-2012, 04:23 PM

I bought my peg with the same avons fitted and was really impressed with the way they wore (slowly) ,so when due had them replaced by a mobile fitter with the exact same tyres, I do nearly 46 miles a day on my work commute and have done about 1,500 miles on the new tread with no real visible wear or flat spots yet really happy with them and when riding at weekends they hold really well on the country road twistys!!! :)

Antrats73

05-16-2012, 04:25 PM

Oh and to add I got roughly the same mileage 10k as you so again pretty good!!

rictus

05-16-2012, 05:49 PM

Cool, thanks for that.

fedro69

05-17-2012, 03:17 AM

just to inform:
I will mount the Michelin a second time when my wage comes:
then they will be 2 full years old and have last over 17000 kms! :worship:
but I will got the Pilot Power (not Road like no) 2CT why I wish to try a 150/60 on the rear
(and maybe a 120/65 on the front?)

oz-strom

05-21-2012, 10:19 PM

I have been using the Pirelli Scorpion Trail and getting 10,000 kms out of a rear. Similar tyre as fitted OEM to Duc Multistrada and Triumph Tiger 800.

http://www.pirelli.com/tyre/ww/en/motorcycle/sheet/scorpion_trail.html

192374

rictus

06-18-2012, 08:36 PM

I recently changed the odd Metz Z6 rear and Bridgestone 020 front, for a set of Avon storm Ultra's, I've used these tyres for a few years now on various bikes (my previous KTM superduke and current Triumph speed four were the latest), and know them well, consistently get between 8-10k from a rear, hopefully the same from the pegaso, they have been on for a little over 1,000 miles so far and are a great improvement, tyres to me are a regular expense and I'll use 3-5 rears a year, so I don't mess about, ride in/out service, I've used the same place for the last 6 years and they have given great service, even though they didn't have the 110 front in stock they got it for me the next day, £210 fitted in 15 minutes and ride away.

http://www.essentialrubbertyres.co.uk/Contact_Us.html

Cheers Mark

hadsnz

06-27-2012, 04:40 AM

Hi,
I just got some Metzler Tourance fitted on my Pegaso trail for the frond and rear. Have to say they feel great. I did push my last Pirelli's from the shop to 16k so am quite enjoying the new ones. Gave them a good bash on the gravel over the weekend and they were sweet. The bike also got a nice sturdy feeling once the new tyres were fitted. Gave new life to the peg :-)

Frodo

06-29-2012, 07:54 PM

Shame, I could have sold a near new front Tourance to you. Great tyre in the dry and excellent mileage, but I commute every day in rain or dry and the Tourance was just too slippery. Replaced it with a Bridgestone Battlewing. Better wet grip, but not as good as the Anakees I had on previously.

tech

07-06-2012, 08:43 AM

Hi,

I'm riding Mitas E07. It's GREAT for off road, very good on wet and dry tarmac but on highway over 140 km/h it's like you are driving with flat tyre:)
Front tyre max 5000 km, rear tyre max 3500 - 3800 km.

hadsnz

07-29-2012, 10:00 PM

I agree Frodo, I find them quite slippery when riding over the cats eyes on the motorway.

dobbi

07-30-2012, 05:20 PM

After going 7000kms around Europe on a Trail with newly fitted Anakee 2's, I would highly reccomend. Toe scape/knee slide in high confidence on the tarmac. Very good in the wet, on tarmac, very confidence inspiring even when cold and soaked. They coped farily well with crossing snow drifts, although I would not expect any trye to shine here. On gravel they were good as long as weight was held over the front and the rear allowed to find it's own path. Mud of England... well they acted rather like slicks, but I think that I have asked far too much here, so the over the bars face plant in the hedge on the mud track down the road was quite deserved. 'A man needs to know his limitations', as Clint onces said!

Wear is good, although I have done some large motorway miles, the profile is still good with lots of life left in them. I would say 13000kms for the rear at least. They arn't the cheapest but are very depenable and give confidence in a 80% road 20%off road (relatively hard demands) situation. Cheers Dudes. Dave
:burnout: