begrenzers????

[Crazy Canuk]

hi everybody... ummm... ik heb een vraag... is it possible to put a begrenzer (rev limiter) on tha malossi ditech kit???? i need to know because that will b the only way i will b allowed to get one... with the current cylinder, the begrenzer does not work at all... but would it work with the malossi kit due to it having its own computer? i need it to be limited to about 50km/h because in holland... if u have a scooter faster than 45... cops will slap u wit a fine of 80 euros:bitchslap and i dont want them pigs to do that to me again... so... help???
thanx

crazy canuk

[Jebediah]

hm..dont understand you completely what u´r saying..but;


you mean, if there is some kind of device, that you could turn it on and your scooter would go 50?

The answer is NO, at least not that i know of. There are several solutions for non-ditech scooters, but not for ditech...sorry ;(

[Crazy Canuk]

u know... i think its ridiculous that there is no limiter for the ditech... the ditech is ran by a computer for crying out loud!!! it should be able to have two different settings...
i have a stupid idea but... does anyone remember them old ibm machines that had those "turbo" buttons on them??? well... didnt they limit the power of the cpu to conserve power or something??? well... wouldnt that work for tha ditech computer???
i dunno... i know its a stupid and impossible idea... but it would be nice :rolleyes: ... any way... how does this setup for a ditech sound?

malossi 70cc kit
giannelli reverse
mhr delta clutch
mhr multivar
mhr kevlar belt
malossi red sponge filter (does this improve anything on the scoot?)

thanks and mzzl

crazy canuk

ps... how do you build the rear blinkers into the brake lights??? need to get rid of that mud gaurd

[phidauex]

Saddly your 'turbo' button idea wouldn't work... You don't want to slow the processor down, that would just make the cylinder fire too late, and mess up your whole engine. Designing a rev limiter is probably pretty difficult, though, I was under the impression that one existed for the ditech already...

Do you need one that bad? Can't you just control your wrist and slow down a little?

peace,
sam

[srditech/repsol]

hey correct me if im wrong but im sure u can get the computer remapped to a certain bhp workin in the same way as an r1 or cbr..etc for them ppl that have to be restricted to 33 bhp,but the simplest thing would jus not to speed in built up areas or in front of police im sure they dont pull u over and start checkin ya bike out...lol

"hey man can i look at your variator" impression of pig:p

[vlksfn]

malossi red sponge filter (does this improve anything on the scoot?)

I was curious if the marossi air filter/intake added any umph to the ditech. I was also wondering if the kevlar belt was appropriate for an therwise stock set-up, or is it only for modified drives?

[Crazy Canuk]

hey troutmaster... i actually remember seeing a rev limiter for the ditech on that site... ill go hunt for it tomorrow during my free blocks at school (on off function only is perfect)... thanks for tha tip off!!!
phidauex and srditech/repsol... what happens in holland is that the pigs.... uh excuse me... the police DO pull you over, take your insurance papers and lead you to a rollerbank test bed, which measures how many KW your scooter produces. the limit in holland is .5kw... last time i got rollerbanked my scooter read out 1.5kw... hehe... a tad to much :D
wlksfn... id get the kevlar belt regardless... its a much longer lasting belt, being made with kevlar inserts... and the malossi air filter sponge... i have nooooooo clue what it does to the ooomph... maybe it just filters the air more efficiently :confused:

thanks and mzzl

crazy canuk

[phidauex]

So they go through all this trouble to snag you kids, and measure your scooter power, but they don't know to check for a basic rev limiter? Weird, but I suppose its possible for them to be that stupid. ;)

So you get pulled over and then just sneaky-like flip a little switch? Or do you drive around with the limiter on most of the time, and then turn it off when you want a little go-power?

I'm glad the US is fairly ignorant about scooters, it makes our lives easier in some ways.

peace,
sam


Originally posted by Crazy Canuk
hey troutmaster... i actually remember seeing a rev limiter for the ditech on that site... ill go hunt for it tomorrow during my free blocks at school (on off function only is perfect)... thanks for tha tip off!!!
phidauex and srditech/repsol... what happens in holland is that the pigs.... uh excuse me... the police DO pull you over, take your insurance papers and lead you to a rollerbank test bed, which measures how many KW your scooter produces. the limit in holland is .5kw... last time i got rollerbanked my scooter read out 1.5kw... hehe... a tad to much :D
wlksfn... id get the kevlar belt regardless... its a much longer lasting belt, being made with kevlar inserts... and the malossi air filter sponge... i have nooooooo clue what it does to the ooomph... maybe it just filters the air more efficiently :confused:

thanks and mzzl

crazy canuk

[phidauex]

Originally posted by Crazy Canuk
the limit in holland is .5kw... last time i got rollerbanked my scooter read out 1.5kw... hehe... a tad to much :D


Wait, wait... Are you saying that you aren't allowed to have a scooter that produces more than .5kW of power?? Thats like .7 horsepower! And 1.5kW is only about 2 horsepower.. I thought the stock ditech with full restriction made more than 2hp! Am I converting the values wrong, or is holland just REALLY restrictive about the power requirements?

peace,
sam

[748rsvr999r]

Life is so strange. I've been trying like a bastard spending all kinds of money to make my scooter go faster and increase it's power. Now I see this guy wanting to really restrict his scoot's capabilities. Go figure.

THIS SCOOTS A HOOT!
Fran

[SideWinder SR]

Originally posted by Jebediah
hm..dont understand you completely what u´r saying..but;


you mean, if there is some kind of device, that you could turn it on and your scooter would go 50?

The answer is NO, at least not that i know of. There are several solutions for non-ditech scooters, but not for ditech...sorry ;(

of course it exiists!!!!


u have few soulutions.. on the remont control..like a car alarm... or on brake lever... so i set a code.. three times u pres lever in 2 sec and blockade is on lol.... its very "musha have_" device here in croatia cuz recently we got that law hat 50 cc scoot must go 50 or cups take it away ... bichez!

[phidauex]

Originally posted by SideWinder SR
of course it exiists!!!!


u have few soulutions.. on the remont control..like a car alarm... or on brake lever... so i set a code.. three times u pres lever in 2 sec and blockade is on lol.... its very "musha have_" device here in croatia cuz recently we got that law hat 50 cc scoot must go 50 or cups take it away ... bichez!

Are these laws tied to your age? Like, is there a tiered license system? Or is it just that an engine of a certain size must not produce more than a certain power? Or is it tied to how your vehicle is registered? Here in the US, many states say that for a vehicle to count as a 'moped' it must have a top speed of 30mph. If it goes faster, it must be registered as a motorcycle instead of as a moped. My SR technically violates that, but its an ignorant state, so I get away with it.

Couldn't you guys just do something similar? Register your vehicle as a true motorcycle and produce as much power as you want? Or are you too young or something?

peace,
sam

[Crazy Canuk]

phidauex... the laws in holland apply to everyone... if ur 16 the cops will hassle you... if ur 99 and on your last legs... the cops will hassle you... its just the corrupt police... theyll use any tactic to make money...
scooters in holland are not allowed to produce more than .5kw, which is about 45 kmh... theyre allowed to have as much bhp as they want, but theyre in one way or another restricted to 45 (usually by the ring in the variator). a fully restricted ditech makes about 5 bhp (6 with exhaust). but i think i may have the wrong values tho...
haha... 748rsvr999r... i c ur point... i also want as much power as possible... its just the situation i have in holland... if your caught with a fast scoot... you have to have a deep pocket for the fines you'll get... and that pocket is not deep in my case... its rather shallow :confused:
SideWinder SR... the brake leaver limiter is morse code is it not? that only works on carb scooters... and cops know how to hack those really easily now... the remote one is new to holland but is 100 euros for the cheapest unit... ill try the rev limiter first cuz it only costs 42.50

thanx and mzzl

crazy canuk

oh... you have to be 18 for a motor bike liscence... im only 17

[748rsvr999r]

In Massachusetts if your moped exceeds 30 mph by way of it being derestricted, it should be registered as a motorcycle. One might apply the theory that if you are stopped by the cops for going 45 mph you can lie your way out, "Geez officer it's only a moped, it could never possibly go that fast" if it works fine, if it does'nt be prepared to be cited for operating and unregistered uninsured motorcyle. Insurance costs aren't that bad based on the fact of the small 50cc (in reality 70 c) displacement, and the limited coverage I carry.

THIS SCOOTS A HOOT!
Fran

[SideWinder SR]

here hoew are thingz in croatia...


everything that copunts as MOPED (50 cc) must do only 30 mph.. not more!

if you are 16.... u can drive max 125 cc... 18+ can drive what ever they want...

[PAUL]

Originally posted by SideWinder SR
of course it exiists!!!!


u have few soulutions.. on the remont control..like a car alarm... or on brake lever... so i set a code.. three times u pres lever in 2 sec and blockade is on lol.... its very "musha have_" device here in croatia cuz recently we got that law hat 50 cc scoot must go 50 or cups take it away ... bichez!

you're right, but only partially... For the Ditech there is only one limiter (in holland, where crazy canuk also lives). However, the problem remains is that when installing it the 'computer' may get upset and everything can get screwed up. No one drives around with it in holland on a ditech, and i've got a friend who installed it and it screwed everything up.

[TiminIndy]

Just think, if you guys didn't have such strict gun control, your cops wouldn't be able to waste their time measuring scooters--they'd have more serious crimes to contend with!!

[Crazy Canuk]

hey troutmaster, are you sure? i have to admit that i never followed that with my scooter with the current computer in it, but i have a "sneaky"suspicion that the the rev limiter does not work because the one available in holland ( http://www.scootparts.nl/ and http://www.50cc.nl/) looks exactly like the thing i have in my scooter... which is not a good thing. i think i may have to buy a new one (not to bad... only 35 euros) just to see if i damaged the limiter by all the turning on and off while the engine is running.
at the moment i have a really strange switch which causes me to turn the motor on before i switch the limiter off. everytime the ignition is turned off, the relay drops out turning the limiter back on, which is really convinient, but theres a possibility that if i turn the limiter off before i start the motor, the drop in voltage from the battery when the starter motor is running may cause the relay to drop out again... u know??? i hope you understand because im not very good at explaining:(
if my computer is damaged because of the limiter being used incorrectly, it wont be for long because im getting the 70cc kit from malossi!! i dont know yet what else im geting, still in negotiations with my very kind source of money:D

thanks and mzzl

crazy canuk

[ditechspain]

Phidaaux,

The rules vary from country to country even within the EU, rather like the States I suppose. However in some countries a ciclomotor, or moped in the UK, can be ridden by kids as young as 14 (with a passenger as well!!), without a test being required, and uusally without a helmet as well as far as I can see. They don´t even seem to ahve number plates in France. In Spain you have a different coloured reg plate which makes it fairly obvious you should not be doing more than 28 mph
Elsewhere they can also sometimes be ridden by virtue of having a car licence, without having to go through the fairly lenghty bike training procedures required in many countries. You can also sometimes use cycle tracks etc, presumably on the assumption you are slower than some of the pushbikes.

The tradeoff for this is that it is limited to 50 km/hr and a max power production and noise level, which the restricted Ditech fits exactly. it also gets away with lower level lighting, such as not having a main beam and a number plate light.
Purchase tax can also be less as well as road tax

Derestrict it, and you may be liable to more purchase tax, higher road tax and have to upgrade the lighting. Equally they can probably do you for no insurance, cos it is not a ciclomotor any more, etc etc.